Zab Judah really hasnt fought in over a year, his last fight doesnt count for a few different reasons that we dont even need to get into.
Zab needs money, this fight is certainly a great opportunity for Zab but it also represents quite possibly the LAST time he will eve make SERIOUS money in his career as a prize fighter and he knows this.
If he quits in this fight or gets iced then he will no longer command million dollar paydays, paydays he most likely needs to keep up his lifestyle.
So Saturday night is a chance for Zab to really change his status as a fighter which is great for Zab no doubt but more importantly Zab is getting paid and I could be wrong but I think the money is what made him take this fight, not the potential status as a fighter he would garner if he won it.
Does anyone think the money even crossed Cotto's mind? Sure Miguel is younger, undefeated...he has many more lives to burn then the older shop warn Judah but still-the money is in Zab's head and the MAIN reason he took this fight, the status as a fighter is what currently motivates Cotto and is the reason he took this fight.
I dont know if it matters in terms of what your motiviation is do you?
Does anyone have a thought?
Speed - Zab
Over all boxing skills - Zab
Movement/Footwork - Zab
Power - Zab...True 147..cotto moved up..
Chin - Even
Experience in BIG fights - Zab
Better Opponants - Zab
Hungry for a win - Zab
Needs a win more - Zab
Mental Focus - Cotto
There are a few things that need to be cleared up here. Hunger for win and Mental Focus are for me the same thing. If hunger doesn't translate to focus then its not really hunger is it?
Speed - Zab
Over all boxing skills - Zab
Movement/Footwork - Zab
Power - Zab great explosive power early but fades but still edge to Zab
Chin - Even
Experience in BIG fights - Even and I list me reason in 1)
Better Opponants - Zab
Hungry for a win - Cotto
Needs a win more - Zab
Mental Focus - Cotto
Hunger, Needs a Win more and Mental Focus are the same for me. It has to translate into focus or it means NOTHING. You also forgot a few:
Heart- Cotto
Stamina- Cotto
Strength - Cotto
1)Zab has had more experience but hasn't learned from his experiences. Experience is suppose to help you overcome adversity and/or make adjustments during the fight. Zab doesn't do well when faced with adversity. He doesn't react well when getting hurt and has failed to make between round adjustments during any of his losses.
I think it depends on the fight. If its a real good'un, then it could be remembered as a great draw between two elite fighters, helping the career of both. If its a stinker, then yes, Zab is screwed whereas Cotto still has his 0.
Me too, although I hope both guys career takes off after this fight. I think Cotto is a tad overrated but he's an exciting fighter. Likewise I think Zab has major issues executing fight plans but I really like the guy, his ghetto style is only superficial I reckon.
It's a shame someone has to lose.....unless there's a draw......
A draw would be great for Cotto and poor for Zab..Zab needs wins..I'm talking like 3 to 5 straight..
Me too, although I hope both guys career takes off after this fight. I think Cotto is a tad overrated but he's an exciting fighter. Likewise I think Zab has major issues executing fight plans but I really like the guy, his ghetto style is only superficial I reckon.
It's a shame someone has to lose.....unless there's a draw......
PARODY & WOLF...I hope Zab wins. I'm a huge fan of his..He has all the tools to be the man but his head isn't right...I hope it is on straight now..you know for the fans..
Speed - Zab
Over all boxing skills - Zab
Movement/Footwork - Zab
Power - Zab...True 147..cotto moved up..
Chin - Even
Experience in BIG fights - Zab
Better Opponants - Zab
Hungry for a win - Zab
Needs a win more - Zab
Mental Focus - Cotto
And yet I've a feeling that one thing Cotto has over Zab will be enough for Cotto to win come Saturday night, although part of me would really like Zab to pull out the win.
You are correct, I am not a big Klitschko fan, they have some skills, but their style just doesn't do it for me.
On this fight though, I doubt Cotto has the skill to beat Zab - but as I said, it's the fight game and you just never know until it's over! I just think after watching Zab in the gym, he's going to be fast, and he definately has some good pop. The edge goes to Zab in alot of ways in this one.
Speed - Zab
Over all boxing skills - Zab
Movement/Footwork - Zab
Power - it's close, but I will go with Cotto, barely.
Chin - it's pretty equal there.
Experience in BIG fights - Zab
Better Opponants - Zab
Hungry for a win - Zab
Needs a win more - Zab
Mental Focus - Cotto
Speed - Zab
Over all boxing skills - Zab
Movement/Footwork - Zab
Power - Zab...True 147..cotto moved up..
Chin - Even
Experience in BIG fights - Zab
Better Opponants - Zab
Hungry for a win - Zab
Needs a win more - Zab
Mental Focus - Cotto
This is where Zab has let us down in the past. He didn't show it in the Baldy fight AT ALL and he didn't show it when things got tough in the Mayweather fight either. I saw on Countdown that he said he doesn't get up for Baldomir-type fights, well that means you aren't a great fighter. I'm no Mayweather fan, but he trains hard for every fight no matter who the opponent and he shows it in the ring.
I agree he is hungry for a win here, but I would also like to point out that there is no way Cotto is not hungry for a win, and possibly hungier considering the occasion (parade, first HBO PPV main event fight, springboard to elite status, etc.)
You picked the perfect thing to call him on...either way there is absolutely no metric to really gage who the fuck is hungrier.
If you HAD to gage it would be by as you suggest-what you have displayed in the ring and if that is our metric Judah is certainly not the hungrier fighter as his freind suggests.
Hungry for a win - Zab
This is where Zab has let us down in the past. He didn't show it in the Baldy fight AT ALL and he didn't show it when things got tough in the Mayweather fight either. I saw on Countdown that he said he doesn't get up for Baldomir-type fights, well that means you aren't a great fighter. I'm no Mayweather fan, but he trains hard for every fight no matter who the opponent and he shows it in the ring.
I agree he is hungry for a win here, but I would also like to point out that there is no way Cotto is not hungry for a win, and possibly hungier considering the occasion (parade, first HBO PPV main event fight, springboard to elite status, etc.)
.....Aside from picking against the Klits and losing each time you do it, you may have a point. :) I think Cotto is going to break Zab down and give him a brutal beating. Zab has always been overated and he is going to get hurt in this one.
You are correct, I am not a big Klitschko fan, they have some skills, but their style just doesn't do it for me.
On this fight though, I doubt Cotto has the skill to beat Zab - but as I said, it's the fight game and you just never know until it's over! I just think after watching Zab in the gym, he's going to be fast, and he definately has some good pop. The edge goes to Zab in alot of ways in this one.
Speed - Zab
Over all boxing skills - Zab
Movement/Footwork - Zab
Power - it's close, but I will go with Cotto, barely.
Chin - it's pretty equal there.
Experience in BIG fights - Zab
Better Opponants - Zab
Hungry for a win - Zab
Needs a win more - Zab
Mental Focus - Cotto
Well, I am not a "casual" boxing fan, I work in the sport and I am pretty good at picking a winner. (DeLaHoya excluded, he never wins the big ones)
Besides that, Zab is a friend of mine, so you know I've got to back my friend!
Personaly though, I see this one as "who can land the big one first" and trust me my friend, Zab is MUCH faster than Cotto, it is easy to see him being able to land a bomb on Cotto before Miguel gets his punch off. That will be the case the entire time until the TKO stoppage.
Zab wins it in an impressive performance....
.....Aside from picking against the Klits and losing each time you do it, you may have a point. :) I think Cotto is going to break Zab down and give him a brutal beating. Zab has always been overated and he is going to get hurt in this one.
It's the fight game - you just never really know untill it's over. Stranger things have happened - you may see Cotto out cold, or it may be the other way around who knows?! The only thing I do know for sure is - that I am really looking forward to this one!QUOTE]
Diddo that!
Zab Judah really hasnt fought in over a year, his last fight doesnt count for a few different reasons that we dont even need to get into.
Zab needs money, this fight is certainly a great opportunity for Zab but it also represents quite possibly the LAST time he will eve make SERIOUS money in his career as a prize fighter and he knows this.
If he quits in this fight or gets iced then he will no longer command million dollar paydays, paydays he most likely needs to keep up his lifestyle.
So Saturday night is a chance for Zab to really change his status as a fighter which is great for Zab no doubt but more importantly Zab is getting paid and I could be wrong but I think the money is what made him take this fight, not the potential status as a fighter he would garner if he won it.
Does anyone think the money even crossed Cotto's mind? Sure Miguel is younger, undefeated...he has many more lives to burn then the older shop warn Judah but still-the money is in Zab's head and the MAIN reason he took this fight, the status as a fighter is what currently motivates Cotto and is the reason he took this fight.
I dont know if it matters in terms of what your motiviation is do you?
Does anyone have a thought?
I understand your logic but Zab ain't hurting for money..He is in the music business as well as clothing and tennis shoes...He has made millions over the past few years..One year off aint hurting him one bit..
Now Cotto on the other hand, this fight will help him financially more than Zab..
Cotto is not my boy, I think I have a pretty objective view of this fight.
Ask me about June 23 and you may get a homer opinion because Castillo is my boy.
Sure Judah has some power but has it really been on display at 147 pounds? Icing Corey Spinks and Cosme Rivera doesnt really have me convinced.
JD-how many times have you seen Cotto hurt at 147? 0 right.
I like alot of others think the 7 pound jump was exactly what the doctor ordered for Cotto...lets just say this...early on if Zab lands the straight left hand and Cotto walks thru it the FIGHT IS OVER-agreed.
It's the fight game - you just never really know untill it's over. Stranger things have happened - you may see Cotto out cold, or it may be the other way around who knows?! The only thing I do know for sure is - that I am really looking forward to this one!
I don't remember any suspension for Mayweathers' camp, but it seems I am incorrect - since a couple of you mention a suspension for Roger. Very well, I will look it up to be sure, but that said, you have to admit -- you are nervous about your boy Cotto - because you know Judah has the power to take him out - look how easy fighters of less skill have been able to rock Cotto!
This is gonna be a fun fight to watch - no matter who wins it!
Cotto is not my boy, I think I have a pretty objective view of this fight.
Ask me about June 23 and you may get a homer opinion because Castillo is my boy.
Sure Judah has some power but has it really been on display at 147 pounds? Icing Corey Spinks and Cosme Rivera doesnt really have me convinced.
JD-how many times have you seen Cotto hurt at 147? 0 right.
I like alot of others think the 7 pound jump was exactly what the doctor ordered for Cotto...lets just say this...early on if Zab lands the straight left hand and Cotto walks thru it the FIGHT IS OVER-agreed.
I don't remember any suspension for Mayweathers' camp, but it seems I am incorrect - since a couple of you mention a suspension for Roger. Very well, I will look it up to be sure, but that said, you have to admit -- you are nervous about your boy Cotto - because you know Judah has the power to take him out - look how easy fighters of less skill have been able to rock Cotto!
This is gonna be a fun fight to watch - no matter who wins it!
I am not saying Zab didn't do anything wrong - he did, and he knows it, but according to the rules, if a corner jumps into the ring and goes after a fighter, as was the case here - that is grounds for an immediate DQ of that corners' fighter. So according to the rules, Mayweather could have been DQ'd because of his corner, yet he doesn't get fined so much as a single $1 - much less a DQ or a suspension, not even for a cornerman - nothing at all, just Zab. That is BS. Did Zab throw the 1st low blow or rabbit punch in boxing - no, but did he get the biggest fine and suspension - you bet...
Roger Mayweather paid dearly as well.
I am not saying Zab didn't do anything wrong - he did, and he knows it, but according to the rules, if a corner jumps into the ring and goes after a fighter, as was the case here - that is grounds for an immediate DQ of that corners' fighter. So according to the rules, Mayweather could have been DQ'd because of his corner, yet he doesn't get so much as a single $1 - much less a DQ or a suspension, not even for a cornerman - nothing at all, just Zab. That is BS. Did Zab through the 1st low blow or rabbit punch in boxing - no, but did he get the biggest fine and suspension - you bet...
You are aware that Roger Mayweather was suspended for a year as well by the NSAC, right? And he was fined his ENTIRE training fee for the fight, $200k.