Was Taylor Ring Mag p4p Number one?

Do you think they should never have chosen a white champion like Vitali? Personally, I don't think race matters, it should be based on whoever is the best at the time. being considered #1 at heavyweight and being "heavyweight champion" are two very very different things, and Deigo is right, Vitali should have never been named HW champion, but its still the most reputable source weve got.

Taylor was not even ranked after beating Hopkins twice. Then after a draw with Wright they put him at like 4 or 5. The Ring is a joke ever since they named Vitali the Heavyweight Champion (which is against their policy).

All i'm saying is that although PBF has fought better opponents than Joe. Joes whipping of Lacy is imo as good as anything i have seen anyone do in a world title fight in terms of outboxing someone, and im not only comparing to what PBF has done. Im not denying that PBF has been impressive as well. But lots of people were impressed with Joes win in the world of boxing. SRL said it was some of the best stuff hes seen as well. oh no doubt calzaghe was outstanding that night, was a geniunely great performance, If you like Boxing clinics, its mayweather gatti for me though, Mayweather nearly got arrested for attempted murder after that fight, Apparently after the fight mayweather got in his car and was chased by police oj-simpson style for what he did to gatti, Think he got off though on grounds of self defence, such is the law these days.

It doesnt matter who is the favto win, it's about who destroyed who more, the destruction of gatti was more clinical, seriously, the combination work in that fight was unreal, Again, i had calzaghe to knockout lacy And people (on this forum) had mayweather gettting knocked out by gatti, i belive, i went for mayweather KO in 5. All i'm saying is that although PBF has fought better opponents than Joe. Joes whipping of Lacy is imo as good as anything i have seen anyone do in a world title fight in terms of outboxing someone, and im not only comparing to what PBF has done. Im not denying that PBF has been impressive as well. But lots of people were impressed with Joes win in the world of boxing. SRL said it was some of the best stuff hes seen as well.

But Lacy was supposedly the best supermiddle in the world and favourite to beat Joe and that makes it more impressive. It was supposed to be competive, but wasnt anywhere near. Lacy is an average boxer in peoples opinions now, but befor Joe exposed him, noone had ever made Lacy look bad. Even if people try and make out that he was overrated. Lacy was overrated but there was noone good enough to beat Lacy, until Joe. As for Gatti. Lots of people before PBF had made Gatti not look good. And if PBF was as good as people said he was. What happened to Gatti cant really have suprised anyone. It doesnt matter who is the favto win, it's about who destroyed who more, the destruction of gatti was more clinical, seriously, the combination work in that fight was unreal, Again, i had calzaghe to knockout lacy And people (on this forum) had mayweather gettting knocked out by gatti, i belive, i went for mayweather KO in 5.

Simply put, Lacy is not better than the people PBF has fought. But the way in which JOe handled Lacy was as impressive as anything PBF has ever done against his opponents. And i wouldnt put his destruction of Gatti on the same level. Again, if Joe were to beat Hopkins at light heavy and JT and kessler there wouldnt be anything left for Joe to do. Nothing more he could achieve. Those achievements would fare well against anything anyone else has achieved. But it is a big if he can beat those guys? Floyds absolute destruction of Gatti and 6th round stoppage was more impressive to me than Joe winning a decision against Lacy. Add in Floyds 10th round (5kd, winning every round) fight against Deigo Corrales, the Undefeated Lightweight champion rated #5 p4p by the ring magazine and we dont really have a contest. Corrales was a proven great and a HOF candidate. Lacy was, and is not.

My point is that everyone makes mistakes, so let's not start threads over it or say they have "no boxing knowledge" Picking someone to win a fight and claiming that one fighter was ranked at number 1 p4p are very different things. Many fights are difficult to predict and the outcome is unknown, but when you talk about who was ranked where, its fact, and he was wrong. its very simple.

But Lacy was supposedly the best supermiddle in the world and favourite to beat Joe and that makes it more impressive. It was supposed to be competive, but wasnt anywhere near. Lacy is an average boxer in peoples opinions now, but befor Joe exposed him, noone had ever made Lacy look bad. Even if people try and make out that he was overrated. Lacy was overrated but there was noone good enough to beat Lacy, until Joe. As for Gatti. Lots of people before PBF had made Gatti not look good. And if PBF was as good as people said he was. What happened to Gatti cant really have suprised anyone.

Do me a favour guys. Exactly how does getting one Magazine statistic wrong in an argument where it is utterly negligible and insignificant lead in ANYWAY whatsoever to having 'no boxing knowledge'. TS only picks up on that one point because he realises that the rest of his argument is ridiculously pap and is trying to salvage whatever small win he can get from the situation. Taylor has never been rated number 1 p4p by any significant ranking body.Your way off, man.

Simply put, Lacy is not better than the people PBF has fought. But the way in which JOe handled Lacy was as impressive as anything PBF has ever done against his opponents. And i wouldnt put his destruction of Gatti on the same level. What have you been watching? Mayweather> Gatti is probably the most clincal display of boxing skills seen in any ring for a long time, Mayweather landed vitually every shot in boxing, and the combination work was incredible, What was the famous combination, he did on gatti? (Someone tell me) I think it was uppercut to the body, straight right, hook, fient, sickening body shot, JC was OUTSTANDING against lacy, think Mayweather gatti was more comprehensive, lacy went 12 rounds, gatti went 6.

He beat Lacy. He doesn't need to fight any other decent fighters for the rest of his career... Simply put, Lacy is not better than the people PBF has fought. But the way in which JOe handled Lacy was as impressive as anything PBF has ever done against his opponents. And i wouldnt put his destruction of Gatti on the same level. Again, if Joe were to beat Hopkins at light heavy and JT and kessler there wouldnt be anything left for Joe to do. Nothing more he could achieve. Those achievements would fare well against anything anyone else has achieved. But it is a big if he can beat those guys?

Mik im no part of it Bra im like a third party witness lol I cant even make out what was orignally said its gone that far off its radar Im just sitting back and reading these ongoing posts and its just fucking off its head lol Going over and over

Points that have been ignored because they dont suit your purpose. You chaps, evidently, cant debate.

Yes, im shittin myself at all these massive posts hes writing trying to explain himself, game over for him dude, all you gotta do is talk boxing to him, and its game over. hehehehe Im trying to read them and its just like "blah blah blah blah" going over the same old tired ass points

He did get a serious roasting on here today didnt he? lol Yes, im shittin myself at all these massive posts hes writing trying to explain himself, game over for him dude, all you gotta do is talk boxing to him, and its game over.

Miksterious, you're a bigger joke than Hatton and Calzaghe combined. You are almost up to JD1986's status as the biggest joke on BoxingScene. It's obvious you know nothing about what happens in boxing outside of your country. You were clearly trying to overhype Taylor so you could gloat just in case Calzaghe fought and beat Taylor, much like you've mentioned that Tsyzu was #1 P4P when he fought Hatton due to that dominating victory over Sharmba Mitchell. :ugh: I dont believe I ever claimed that. I said that he was A top P4P fighter, which he was. It has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with overhyping Taylor as that was not in any way the purpose of the discussion. Which makes it all the more ridiculous that TS has launched himself on this point as though it somehow wins the debate for him. Its in another thread, but for the low-down just read the first2/3 pages of this thread, Its the reason someone is desperately trying to save whats left of their crediblity by trying to engage me, If they want thier crediblity back, that person should log out of boxingscene, click on the 'recycle bin' and hope it allows them to restore it. lol. I set the record straight, nothing left to prove. lol. Lets not mess around here. The low-down, which anyone can see from that thread is that we were debating the matter I discussed, you were being ridiculous in your outlandish claims...as I have detailed here and I claimed that Taylor is an established P4P fighter (which is right), however I wrongly backed that up by using a source that claimed that Taylor was P4P number 1 after beating Hopkins (which is not right) and you immediately forgot about the longer running debate we'd had and completely nailed yourself onto that one fairly meaningless point. Go back to the original debate, the larger one, the one that we started with, the one that it was all about and admit that you were talking utter shite. A statistic about Taylor being higher up the P4P list than he actually was (when the point that he's an established P4P fighter, remains true) has very little to do with the fact that people could make a fair argument for Calzaghe's biggest scalps are better than PBF's biggest scalps IF he defeats Hopkins and Taylor. Again, avoid it if you want. You've already made your ridiculous argument that I paraphrased above: Technical_Skill - No. That is utterly inarguable. To argue that would be to claim that Calzaghe is the better boxer than Floyd. Has better skills than Floyd. Has a better legacy than Floyd. Is a greater all-time fighter than Floyd and has accomplished more in his career than Floyd has. Perfectly and idiotically clear.

He did get a serious roasting on here today didnt he? lol

Havent had anytime to read all posts. But what has been said? If JOe could beat HOpkins and JT would that mean he has beaten better people than PBF has? I would say yes. JT and Hopkins are top rated boys now. Doesnt mean to say he is more talented than PBF. But i would agree that beating 2 guys like Hopkins and JT would impress me a lot. Its in another thread, but for the low-down just read the first2/3 pages of this thread, Its the reason someone is desperately trying to save whats left of their crediblity by trying to engage me, If they want thier crediblity back, that person should log out of boxingscene, click on the 'recycle bin' and hope it allows them to restore it. lol. I set the record straight, nothing left to prove. lol.

Havent had anytime to read all posts. But what has been said? If JOe could beat HOpkins and JT would that mean he has beaten better people than PBF has? I would say yes. JT and Hopkins are top rated boys now. Doesnt mean to say he is more talented than PBF. But i would agree that beating 2 guys like Hopkins and JT would impress me a lot. PBF beating DLH was a great achievement. But DLHs credentials at this stage of his career were questioned way before PBF got to him.

Yup, i corrected it just now. Oh of course, I couldnt belive mik was cussing me out like that over something that was so obviously wrong, i just needed conformation from some of the many knowledgeable boxing fans on here, and within about 3 mins, we knew who was wrong and who was right, The beauty of boxingscene. I was 'cussing you out' because of your dunderheaded refusal to debate the actual point at hand. You focus on the details (to the point where you start a thread about 'the details) because you are completely avoiding to admit that your argument, your point...was utterly and dismally incorrect. I posted a breakdown of the argument in the other thread and you STILL failed to back it up in any way shape or form, instead focusing with tunnel vision on this mistake I made that had NOTHING to do with the argument at hand. A mistake I have no problems whatsoever admitting that I made and that I am absolutely fine with having made...because its irrelevant to the debate we were having: The argument never has been or will be about Taylor's placement. It is thus: "COULD you argue that Calzaghe defeating Taylor and Hopkins would mean that he has defeated two fighters better than anyone Floyd Mayweather has fought?" Mik - Yes, you COULD. Technical_Skill - No. That is utterly inarguable. To argue that would be to claim that Calzaghe is the better boxer than Floyd. Has better skills than Floyd. Has a better legacy than Floyd. Is a greater all-time fighter than Floyd and has accomplished more in his career than Floyd has.