WTF?????PAC vs. GUZMAN on OCT. 6?????

I hope not, I hope he should fight soto after soto takes pacquiao's little brother's head off. This is the fight I see panning out in the end as well. Once Soto beats Bobby, the Oct. 6 fight has the perfect angle (though the fight on its own is still worth the price of admission). Plus, making it involves the least amount of politics, since both are with Top Rank. Guzman is with Sycuan and Golden Boy, the latter unlikely to allow Guzman or any other GBP fighter to allow Arum to serve as sole/lead promoter for one of their fights. Sycuan is basically a puppet at this stage, allowing any major promoter to pull their strings. In this case, Golden Boy. It's for the same reason that I never believed rumors of Pac-Barrera II, not unless Marco is seriously considering bolting from GBP. Soto should run through Bobby Pac next weekend, paving the way for Manny-Soto in October.

well i hope people will not say, "they are old and washed up" after pac beat these guys Even though their about the same age, Barrera has been in TOO MANY WARS than JMM. Before he fought MAB, the only war JMM was involved was against Pacquiao. MAB has been with Pacquiao, Morales, Ayala, Kelley, Tapia, Juarez, McKinney, and Junior Jones. By boxing standards, JMM beat up an old and washed up Barrerera.

Pac, by moving up in weight, has lost some of his power but by retaining his speed, has won most of his fights by KO/TKO. He has won UD by beating Larios, by throwing more and landing more punches. Even though his still 1 dimensional, he has improve his right hand and according to the Ring mag, learn to box more(of course, his not in the mold of PBF, JMM, EM, or MAB). Even though they were not in their primes, beating MAB and EM are impressive wins. And a draw with JMM is not bad either. As an underdog, has defeated Sasakul and Ledwaba for world titles(agaisnst MAB, he was also underdog). Even though they moved up in weight, Larios was top 3 in the jr. featherweight and Solis was ranked #8 in featherweight by the Ring mag, when they lost to Pac. Guzman, moving up in weight, lost some punching power and has not had a KO/TKO since February 2004. His most notable win was against Jorge Barrios in a split decision. His a better technical boxer than Pac.

well i hope people will not say, "they are old and washed up" after pac beat these guys

the question is do you want to bet all your points against pac if this fight happen?i got pac and you got guzman/sotto. Cmon man, I'm a pacfan. You think I'd bet all my points against him? I'm just a BOXING fan in general as well. I'm not blinded you know. :nonono:

A lot of Pinoys aren't familiar with Soto or Guzman. Let's open class for abit. In Guzman vs Barrios. Barrios came in over weight hoping to easily beat Guzman regardless of losing the belt because he was moving up in weight after that fight. That gave Barrios a strength advantage and take a shot advantage off the bat. He didn't look weight fatigued or anything either. It looked part of his plan. Came fight night, it looked like Barrios was gonna be KOed in the first round as Guzman came at him with lightening fast shots that stunned and dazed Barrios. So now Barrios who was like 147lbs on fight night got rocked, imagine Manny. Muchless, Manny freaks out once he gets hit clean. He always turtles up and goes backwards to recover. Guzman would be all over him unlike Solis, Marquez, or Barrera of the past. So as far as Guzman, he's technically more sound than Manny, great balance, great footwork, super fast hands, and loves to mix it up(he doesn't have a bad chin and Manny has never KOed anyone completely out in the last few fights since taking on the elites). Soto. This guy is tough as nails. He hits hard, likes to trade bombs, has a good chin, and decent defense. I think this guy between the 2 would be the biggest threat to KO Manny but he could easily outbox Manny also if need be. I definitely think he'll KO Bobby and it'll setup a Pac-Soto showdown in the future. Soto put the beatdown on Rocky Juarez and since then he's had impressive wins and some really cool KOs. Put it this way, any of the younger opponents are gonna give Manny hell at this point. They are wayyy hungrier than him and hit hard. Guzman is older than Manny but he is a slick boxer-puncher(less on puncher at 130lbs), and Manny has trouble with boxers. Any fight Manny takes is gonna be tough and you can't say he'll knock his head off or KO him easily when Manny hasn't KOed anyone cold for a few years. Manny demoralizes his opponents with hard punches and puts them on their ass, but he doesn't brutalize them with cold KOs. the question is do you want to bet all your points against pac if this fight happen?i got pac and you got guzman/sotto.

A lot of Pinoys aren't familiar with Soto or Guzman. Let's open class for abit. In Guzman vs Barrios. Barrios came in over weight hoping to easily beat Guzman regardless of losing the belt because he was moving up in weight after that fight. That gave Barrios a strength advantage and take a shot advantage off the bat. He didn't look weight fatigued or anything either. It looked part of his plan. Came fight night, it looked like Barrios was gonna be KOed in the first round as Guzman came at him with lightening fast shots that stunned and dazed Barrios. So now Barrios who was like 147lbs on fight night got rocked, imagine Manny. Muchless, Manny freaks out once he gets hit clean. He always turtles up and goes backwards to recover. Guzman would be all over him unlike Solis, Marquez, or Barrera of the past. So as far as Guzman, he's technically more sound than Manny, great balance, great footwork, super fast hands, and loves to mix it up(he doesn't have a bad chin and Manny has never KOed anyone completely out in the last few fights since taking on the elites). Soto. This guy is tough as nails. He hits hard, likes to trade bombs, has a good chin, and decent defense. I think this guy between the 2 would be the biggest threat to KO Manny but he could easily outbox Manny also if need be. I definitely think he'll KO Bobby and it'll setup a Pac-Soto showdown in the future. Soto put the beatdown on Rocky Juarez and since then he's had impressive wins and some really cool KOs. Put it this way, any of the younger opponents are gonna give Manny hell at this point. They are wayyy hungrier than him and hit hard. Guzman is older than Manny but he is a slick boxer-puncher(less on puncher at 130lbs), and Manny has trouble with boxers. Any fight Manny takes is gonna be tough and you can't say he'll knock his head off or KO him easily when Manny hasn't KOed anyone cold for a few years. Manny demoralizes his opponents with hard punches and puts them on their ass, but he doesn't brutalize them with cold KOs.

pacquiao by tko/ko in round 4!:boxing:

Pac is one dimensional and crude. Yes, he's learned to use the right hand better, but he's still lacking in the coordination department, i.e. he flails and jumps in too much. Guzman is a great fighter and technically sound (as is Humberto Soto and JMM, the three fighters I'd pick to beat Pac at 130). Guzman also has heart, speed, and a good chin. Guzman KO10.

i like guzmans style, hes my fav fighter around that weight. he has the tools i wouldnt be suprised if he beat pac.

PAC will connect Guzman hits like paulie Ayala @130 PAC by KO :boxing:

Jorge Rodrigo Barrios comes to mind and It aint easy intimidating that mofo. Barrios is known to be tough as nails and as crazy as most of those with an "I'LL fu**in kill you in the ring" mentality. Joan didnt just ruin Barrios gameplan but he got the guy's respect by giving him hard leather. I'm a pac fan but I have to give the edge on craftiness and defense to Guzman. Though it seems that Guzman has the tools to make an upset, I can't make a solid prediction of a Guzman win. Freddie Roach is known to make good adjustments and deep probing for weaknesses that his fighters can exploit. Barrios doesnt hit even half as hard as Pac in my opinion. I really can't understand why people rate Guzman so highly. He was impressive for the first 7 or 8 rounds against Barrios but then got lazy. Pulling out of the Katsidis fight was dodgy too. I think it'd be a fairly easy night's work for Pac - Guzman = Dominican Howard Eastman! I think Pac would win late on or a pretty convicing points victory.

Who has GUZMAN fought that hits even as half as hard as pacman? I'm not a Guzman follower, so there probably is a few fighters I'm just saying... Basically I'm asking a real question. Jorge Rodrigo Barrios comes to mind and It aint easy intimidating that mofo. Barrios is known to be tough as nails and as crazy as most of those with an "I'LL fu**in kill you in the ring" mentality. Joan didnt just ruin Barrios gameplan but he got the guy's respect by giving him hard leather. I'm a pac fan but I have to give the edge on craftiness and defense to Guzman. Though it seems that Guzman has the tools to make an upset, I can't make a solid prediction of a Guzman win. Freddie Roach is known to make good adjustments and deep probing for weaknesses that his fighters can exploit.

Pac knocks his head off...:boxing:

Pac would ko him. I BET ANYONE ON HERE PAC DOES. No one can beat pacman, he is the second-coming of Bruce-lee Well his record sez he can be beat!!! He is awesome to watch but Guzman is very impressive also!!! Would be such a great fight for boxing and fans alike!!!

i like to see what soto is really made off ... if he cant KO Bobby, their is no need to discuss a pac-sotto fight... i think Soto will send Bobby's head rocketing off to the moon.. Soto has underrated boxing skills and firepower.. he absorbed a lot of clean left hooks from Rocky Juarez in their exchanges and didn't even flinch, solid chin i'd say.. an understatement

Theres no way in hell Pacman's people make this fight.

i like to see what sotto is really made off ... if he cant KO Bobby, their is no need to discuss a pac-sotto fight...I think humberto will KO bobpac within 6 and I won't be surprised if arum announce after that fight in the garden that it will be pacman-soto in october. IMO pac-guzman won't happen because goldenboy has influence over sycuan. Pac-joan will happen only if goldenboy won their case against top rank. If ever that happens and pac would be promoted by goldenboy then boxingfans all over the world will rejoice because so many fights that they are dreaming of will become realities. Pac-mab, pac-jmm, pac-guzman, etc... wait a minute, why is it always pac versus someone? That prick is a one-dimensional fighter and all he does is a left straight :lol1:

I hope not, I hope he should fight soto after soto takes pacquiao's little brother's head off. i like to see what sotto is really made off ... if he cant KO Bobby, their is no need to discuss a pac-sotto fight...

I hope not, I hope he should fight soto after soto takes pacquiao's little brother's head off.