Just watched Miranda vs Pavlik and..

I dont think Miranda was weight drained. probably not anymore than usual. Both of these guys should be fighting at 168 and are monsterous in size for middleweights. Miranda has been doing this for years and to speculate that it finally caught up with him because of being a few ounces over at the scales is a little premature. Pavlik just beat his ass regardless of weight drain or not.

Once you step in the ring there are no excuses. I think once he realized he couldn't hurt Pavlik it was over. He is all about the KO if that doesn't work then he has no plan B, he's the middle weight version of Mayorga. I actually thought about the Mayorga comparison aswell. His intimidation didn't work and that discouraged him and he basically tried to prove he could take a shot and he had heart after a short time. He had no plan B when Pavlik had no fear of him or his punch.

Once you step in the ring there are no excuses. I think once he realized he couldn't hurt Pavlik it was over. He is all about the KO if that doesn't work then he has no plan B, he's the middle weight version of Mayorga.

They both seemed to tire pretty quickly to me. Pavlik still would have won by KO if they were both 100% because he had a smart ass game plan and stuck by it.

No but you could tell he wasn't all there.. Even the commentators said it. He had that same sick look Morales had in the 3rd Pacquiao fight. HBO commentators said it who have been sucking off Miranda for months now. Miranda went to 173 by fight time and Pavlik 171, so was Kelly weight drained also.

no excuses please.....miranda would not have it......just like he said:" Heroes go down, but always come back...I will be back"......no excuses from pantera so i believe his fans should do the same..... i realy like miranda he is a good fighter and is taking the loss well from what ive heard

no excuses please.....miranda would not have it......just like he said:" Heroes go down, but always come back...I will be back"......no excuses from pantera so i believe his fans should do the same.....

It was his fault (Miranda) for overlooking Pavlik. Pavlik is still better IMO and would have won anyway.

It was his fault (Miranda) for overlooking Pavlik.

Obviously, because anyone that disagrees with your point of view is obviously biased. No but you could tell he wasn't all there.. Even the commentators said it. He had that same sick look Morales had in the 3rd Pacquiao fight.

I dont think Miranda was weight drained. Then you must be hell of biased.

I dont think Miranda was weight drained.

I agree man it was alot of things that going on so miranda realy wasnt at his best but still pavlick beat him fair and square and quite dominantly. But i honestly dont think miranda would have beat him even if he had been 100% and quite frankly it realy doesnt matter. What matters is what happend. And what happend is that miranda lost. Yeah thats pretty much what I am saying lol

I agree man it was alot of things that going on so miranda realy wasnt at his best but still pavlick beat him fair and square and quite dominantly. But i honestly dont think miranda would have beat him even if he had been 100% and quite frankly it realy doesnt matter. What matters is what happend. And what happend is that miranda lost.