My Thoughts On Pavlik/Miranda

Nice post, but I have to disagree that Miranda is a dirty one trick poney with nothing to fall back on. He was not able to utilize hiw power against Green since Green went into a survival mode and would not trade. Yet with Miranda's pressure and 'skills' he was able to outbox Green all night long. If he had nothing but power, he would never have dominated the cards against a guy like Eastman (before the stoppage) and Green. As far as the dirty thing, he is a typical fighter. Neumann just gave him a bad rep in Germany with all those BS deductions. Yea, the headbutt was bullshit, but I have seen much worse get warnings. The low blows were all on the beltline, none in the balls. Other than the Germany fight, Miranda had been deducted one point in his entire career. If he was dirty, we would be seeing many more warnings and deductions. But I respect your opinions and ability to look past your 'heart' and see the reality of this fight. It's boxing and anything can happen, but IMO I really dont see Miranda having too much trouble handling what Pavlik brings to the table. im not calling him dirty based on the fight with abraham. from what ive seen not just in the abraham fight but in the eastman fight and green fight, miranda has very little regard for the rules. rabbit punches and subtle low blows are also infractions he is sometimes guilty of. you dont need warnings and point deductions to be dirty. refs dont catch everything. he didnt outbox green. green didnt throw and pantera did, to a certain extent. it wasnt like miranda started boxing, using his jab, moving around, and throwing feints. he dominated green and eastman because of his pressure. he kept coming forward and kept throwing, which led to a knockout of eastman and a near knockout of green. if miranda has skill, we havent seen it.

Miranda just hits so hard it looks like.. breaking jaws and knocking everyone out with all that pressure too. I dont really like him but I'm guessin Miranda by K.O. any bets on this? I got miranda

from what ive see of both guys, miranda will murder him in 5 but i dont think weve seen the best of pavlik....still ill go with pantera by KO9

Saying Miranda is a crude fighter is a bit of a stretch. Mayorga is a crude fighter. Miranda knows how to jab & setup his right hand. He did that against Eastman, Gibbs, & Green. He gets wild when he exchanges & that's where he needs to be more disciplined. There are so many question marks around Pavlik because he hasn't fought good comp. His best win came against Bronco McKart but McKart is a career Jr. Middle that peaked in the mid to late 90's.

its obvious pavlik is one of my boys and my distain for miranda has not gone unnoticed. but i am in a completely neutral state of mind while typing this. this is boxer/puncher (pavlik) vs huge puncher (miranda). pavlik is the more skilled fighter. hes ambidextrous (spelling?), he can KO you with either hand, hes got a long accurate jab, his technique is very good, his defense is pretty good, and his chin is sturdy enough. his flaws are his defense frequently slips and as good as his chin is, its not enough to withstand constant bombardment from pantera. he needs to use his jab, counter, and keep his punches short. he cant let miranda overwhelm him. miranda is one of the hardest hitting MWs in recent memory. on top of that, hes got a killer attitude that makes him want every fight to end in a knockout. his best weapon is his right hand. however, he is a much more flawed fighter than pavlik. his chin is less than average, he has no technique or skill or defense to speak of, hes predictable, his punches are sloppy, and hes a very dirty fighter. his power is his only real weapon, but its a weapon that can easily get him the win in almost any fight. hes pretty much a MW earnie shavers: a one trick pony who looks for the right hand. to win, he needs to charge pavlik before kelly can establish his jab and use his reach and power to keep miranda at bay. pavlik is the more complete fighter, but the x-factor is miranda's power. its really all he needs to win. problem is, he has nothing to fall back on if his power fails him or is somehow ineffective. pavlik can box, counter, punch, take a punch, and go the distance if needed. honestly, this fight can go either way. regardless of what the nut-hugging pantera fans say, pavlik can win this one. it goes without saying that i hope pavlik wins. i dont like miranda's pretensious trash talk and unprofessional dirty fighting. but regardless of who i like, my feeling is that miranda will win by KO. ive never seen such a powerful and vicious MW. and i dont think pavlik will be able to handle pantera's pressure and power. i still hope pavlik wins, but i just have a gut feeling that miranda's gonna stop him. Nice post, but I have to disagree that Miranda is a dirty one trick poney with nothing to fall back on. He was not able to utilize hiw power against Green since Green went into a survival mode and would not trade. Yet with Miranda's pressure and 'skills' he was able to outbox Green all night long. If he had nothing but power, he would never have dominated the cards against a guy like Eastman (before the stoppage) and Green. As far as the dirty thing, he is a typical fighter. Neumann just gave him a bad rep in Germany with all those BS deductions. Yea, the headbutt was bullshit, but I have seen much worse get warnings. The low blows were all on the beltline, none in the balls. Other than the Germany fight, Miranda had been deducted one point in his entire career. If he was dirty, we would be seeing many more warnings and deductions. But I respect your opinions and ability to look past your 'heart' and see the reality of this fight. It's boxing and anything can happen, but IMO I really dont see Miranda having too much trouble handling what Pavlik brings to the table.

If you look at the competition Miranda has definitely fought the best opponents. This should be an exciting fight with both men not really known for there defense. It's hard to pick who would win this fight. I think if Pavlik used his better boxing skills he could win the fight if he stays away from that right hand all evening. Many were predicting that Allen Green was going to outbox Miranda, but he didn't. So I think its going to be hard for Pavlik to do it as well. I think he will deliver his share of shots, but will catch a few right hands from Miranda and it will be all over. I see Miranda by KO in the mid to late rounds. I don't know alot about Alan Green but I know enough about to know his style is not at all similar to Pavlik's.

If you look at the competition Miranda has definitely fought the best opponents. This should be an exciting fight with both men not really known for there defense. It's hard to pick who would win this fight. I think if Pavlik used his better boxing skills he could win the fight if he stays away from that right hand all evening. Many were predicting that Allen Green was going to outbox Miranda, but he didn't. So I think its going to be hard for Pavlik to do it as well. I think he will deliver his share of shots, but will catch a few right hands from Miranda and it will be all over. I see Miranda by KO in the mid to late rounds.

How many black/hispanics are rooting for pavlik in this fight? Btw, I am white. But it just seems that the fans of Pavlik all seem to be white people(I'm assuming and I can't prove it because anyone can say whatever skin color they are) I am white though. And it makes no sense to me to choose a guy who has fought nobodies against Miranda a guy who has fought somebodies... It makes me scratch my head. And yes, even with Zertuche's 4 losses before fight Pavlik, Zertuche is one bad ass and I can see why he gave pavlik problems. Still, Miranda has fought leaps better competition. Pavlik's been in this game called boxing longer. I like Pavlik, I have that zertuche fight, the only fight I have of his since Pavlik's not as popular as some fighters since I can't even get more of his fights online. The only way Pavlik deserves fans if he went into that ring and pulled an upset(since I know he's not predicted to win, the odd probably really are stacked against him betting wise). But with the stinkers he has fought. I can't be a fan of that zertuche, mckart, and zuniga all had a combined total of 97 fights. and of those 97 fights, none of them were stoppage losses. pavlik was the first guy to stop these guys who had almost 100 fights between them. granted, these guys arent top class fighters, but they are good contenders and were not walkover opponents. yes, miranda fought better competition, but that doesnt mean pavlik has fought nobodies and softies. p.s. im not a racist. i just dont like unprofessional fighters.

IF you rate and predict fights the way you are you end up with Boxrec's old rating system where they had Chris Byrd as the #1 heavyweight in the world for like 4 years.

How many black/hispanics are rooting for pavlik in this fight? Btw, I am white. But it just seems that the fans of Pavlik all seem to be white people(I'm assuming and I can't prove it because anyone can say whatever skin color they are) I am white though. And it makes no sense to me to choose a guy who has fought nobodies against Miranda a guy who has fought somebodies... It makes me scratch my head. And yes, even with Zertuche's 4 losses before fight Pavlik, Zertuche is one bad ass and I can see why he gave pavlik problems. Still, Miranda has fought leaps better competition. Pavlik's been in this game called boxing longer. I like Pavlik, I have that zertuche fight, the only fight I have of his since Pavlik's not as popular as some fighters since I can't even get more of his fights online. I noticed in several of your posts you find neccessary to mention who is black who is white ect. You really have some kind of stigma to that. Secondly, neither Miranda or Pavlik have fought elite level competition. I would agree with you and say Miranda has overall fought the better competition but not by the widest of margins that I've ever seen. Once the bell rings it's not going to matter who's opponents have the higher win percentage and all that.

How many black/hispanics are rooting for pavlik in this fight? Btw, I am white. But it just seems that the fans of Pavlik all seem to be white people(I'm assuming and I can't prove it because anyone can say whatever skin color they are) I am white though. And it makes no sense to me to choose a guy who has fought nobodies against Miranda a guy who has fought somebodies... It makes me scratch my head. And yes, even with Zertuche's 4 losses before fight Pavlik, Zertuche is one bad ass and I can see why he gave pavlik problems. Still, Miranda has fought leaps better competition. Pavlik's been in this game called boxing longer. I like Pavlik, I have that zertuche fight, the only fight I have of his since Pavlik's not as popular as some fighters since I can't even get more of his fights online. The only way Pavlik deserves fans if he went into that ring and pulled an upset(since I know he's not predicted to win, the odd probably really are stacked against him betting wise). But with the stinkers he has fought. I can't be a fan of that this is tough fight for me, cause i like both pavlik and miranda. pavlik is the better boxer but the pantera can change the course of the fight with one punch. i think pavlik will go on to beat a lot of other good middleweights, but i don't think he's winning this fight

miranda ran through eastman, busted up abraham, and whooped on Green, pavlik whooped on old ass mckart, pierre? and spirited but not much of a big deal zertuche... nuff said...

I pretty much agree with most of your post but I have to admit I've only seen Miranda fight twice. He's strong and powerfull but very crude and so alo tof that can go to waste.

If you went by who had better competition then Miranda wins that category. And he has had less fighting experience in the professional ring. :boxing: I think hate blinds some people. just what are you trying to imply?

its obvious pavlik is one of my boys and my distain for miranda has not gone unnoticed. but i am in a completely neutral state of mind while typing this. this is boxer/puncher (pavlik) vs huge puncher (miranda). pavlik is the more skilled fighter. hes ambidextrous (spelling?), he can KO you with either hand, hes got a long accurate jab, his technique is very good, his defense is pretty good, and his chin is sturdy enough. his flaws are his defense frequently slips and as good as his chin is, its not enough to withstand constant bombardment from pantera. he needs to use his jab, counter, and keep his punches short. he cant let miranda overwhelm him. miranda is one of the hardest hitting MWs in recent memory. on top of that, hes got a killer attitude that makes him want every fight to end in a knockout. his best weapon is his right hand. however, he is a much more flawed fighter than pavlik. his chin is less than average, he has no technique or skill or defense to speak of, hes predictable, his punches are sloppy, and hes a very dirty fighter. his power is his only real weapon, but its a weapon that can easily get him the win in almost any fight. hes pretty much a MW earnie shavers: a one trick pony who looks for the right hand. to win, he needs to charge pavlik before kelly can establish his jab and use his reach and power to keep miranda at bay. pavlik is the more complete fighter, but the x-factor is miranda's power. its really all he needs to win. problem is, he has nothing to fall back on if his power fails him or is somehow ineffective. pavlik can box, counter, punch, take a punch, and go the distance if needed. honestly, this fight can go either way. regardless of what the nut-hugging pantera fans say, pavlik can win this one. it goes without saying that i hope pavlik wins. i dont like miranda's pretensious trash talk and unprofessional dirty fighting. but regardless of who i like, my feeling is that miranda will win by KO. ive never seen such a powerful and vicious MW. and i dont think pavlik will be able to handle pantera's pressure and power. i still hope pavlik wins, but i just have a gut feeling that miranda's gonna stop him. I'm not saying he's a defensive master but compared to Miranda I wouldn't count his defense as a weakness. I've seen like maybe 5 of his fights and the only one I saw him get hit alot was against Zertuchi who doesn't hit hard and so I dont really think he was concerned with defense in that fight. I saw Zertuchi take a vicious amount of punishment in a fight on versus and not get stopped or knocked down so it was impressive that Pavlik was able to stop him.