Why Floyd Mayweather Jr will Lose to Oscar De La Hoya and Why That's Good

Why do people always have to make it a race issue? Thats the dumbest thing I've heard on this forum so far. I could care less what color you are , where you are from or what religion you practice. I think people are a little turned off by PBF because he doesn't pull off the trash talking and antics the way other fighter did. Even though the article is bias, I will agree on one point and that's that PBF isn't charismatic in a good way, he's annoying. Nobody (but a fool) would deny his ability, but maybe it's just my opinion but he doesn't come off with the same flare and likable charisma that Ali, Leonard, Camacho or any other fighters mentioned above. The article is bias but it does make some good points in reguards to how the outcome of this fight will hopefully only set up the matches we as fans would like to see featuring PBF, win or lose. I agree. That's the typical "its because i'm black" answer to justify something. He simply doesn't pull it off and is annoying. I hate fake people no matter what race or color they are and you could tell Floyd is just acting.. Also anyone dislikes someone who is arrogant and feals you owe him something.. And since when are you the best fighter in history just because you say you are? Doesn't make much sence.. The fans have to decide that not you. I like Roy because he could pull it off... Floyd can't.

Find out and read the article at the end you dummy! Nah, its a pointless topic which has been done to death on this forum, just wait a few more weeks and the speculation will be over. lol

Most stupid article title ever, didnt even bother reading it, How can the most talented fighter of his generation losing be good for boxing? lol. Find out and read the article at the end you dummy!

Most stupid article title ever, didnt even bother reading it, How can the most talented fighter of his generation losing be good for boxing? lol.

I watched that fight live as a matter of fact. I disagreed with the negative reception of the HBO announcers then, and now. I had Mayweather winning 115-111 with the benefit of the doubt in rounds going to Castillo for activity. I don't think there was any question whatsoever about the rematch now was there?? At the time I was rooting for Castillo, btw. It is also important to keep in mind that Floyd is certainly not the fighter he used to be. Reviewing tape of his early fights in comparison to his most recent performances, to any whom are knowledgable of the sport of boxing can clearly see a difference. Floyd has stepped his game up considerably. No doubt about that, PBF is in his prime and has peaked as far as his skill level. I don't think it's an excuse to say DLH is past his prime because it's true. No matter though, reguardless of the fact this isn't DLH in his prime, I still believe he can beat PBF with his intelligence and size advantage. I won't be making any excuses if DLH happens to lose but I will tell you this, don't let him win or all you pro-mayweather fans will be eating crow for a long time to come.

I noticed that peoples attitude toward black skilled fighters have changed since RJJ got knocked out. They use to love fighters with skills who won easily, talked shit, and flaunted everything. I think that most of them have biracial grandchildren to thugs now and they can't stand it so they bash PFB for it. Italinamafia23 has some very good points and you can tell that he is a knowledgeable boxing fan. Anybody that hates PBF because he's young, black, successful and flaunts it is a POS and racist without saying they're racist. Just call him a ****** and quit saying he isn't great. You're going to look like an ass either way. Why do people always have to make it a race issue? Thats the dumbest thing I've heard on this forum so far. I could care less what color you are , where you are from or what religion you practice. I think people are a little turned off by PBF because he doesn't pull off the trash talking and antics the way other fighter did. Even though the article is bias, I will agree on one point and that's that PBF isn't charismatic in a good way, he's annoying. Nobody (but a fool) would deny his ability, but maybe it's just my opinion but he doesn't come off with the same flare and likable charisma that Ali, Leonard, Camacho or any other fighters mentioned above. The article is bias but it does make some good points in reguards to how the outcome of this fight will hopefully only set up the matches we as fans would like to see featuring PBF, win or lose.

I'm not talking about his level of competition. His stamina, endurance, conditioning, footwork, defense, reaction time, jab, overall speed, power, and ring intelligence. It is irrelevant who he steps in the ring with, a veteran of the sport can recognize such improvement regardless of the level of competition he faces. And just for the record, Judah, Baldomir and Gatti were quality opponents. The anti-Mayweather fan base simply shun their credibility as an excuse for Mayweathers dominance as far as I'm concerned. All were accomplished atheletes whom many anti-Mayweather enthusiasts claimed were faster (Judah), more experienced (Baldomir), and stronger (Gatti) than Mayweather, and to whom Pretty Boy would see his first defeat. The next excuse will be that Oscar was to old and out of his prime. Excuses, excuses... At the end of the day he remains unbeaten. A champion among champions. Judah KTFO by Tszyu before stepping in with Floyd and embarased by Baldomir.. Baldomir slower then a turtle with a 15 percent knock out rate and Gatti.. Old washed up punching bag. Those are some great opponents, I'm gonna start fighting 5 yr old girls maybe I can climb up to number one in the P4P ranking.. people will recognise my improvement regardless of the level of competition I face.

lightweigh ill give him cred for castillo and corrales etc.. but yah since then he really stepped his game up by fighting the best like Judah, Baldomir and Gatti:rolleyes: I'm not talking about his level of competition. His stamina, endurance, conditioning, footwork, defense, reaction time, jab, overall speed, power, and ring intelligence. It is irrelevant who he steps in the ring with, a veteran of the sport can recognize such improvement regardless of the level of competition he faces. And just for the record, Judah, Baldomir and Gatti were quality opponents. The anti-Mayweather fan base simply shun their credibility as an excuse for Mayweathers dominance as far as I'm concerned. All were accomplished atheletes whom many anti-Mayweather enthusiasts claimed were faster (Judah), more experienced (Baldomir), and stronger (Gatti) than Mayweather, and to whom Pretty Boy would see his first defeat. The next excuse will be that Oscar was to old and out of his prime. Excuses, excuses... At the end of the day he remains unbeaten. A champion among champions.

lightweigh ill give him cred for castillo and corrales etc.. but yah since then he really stepped his game up by fighting the best like Judah, Baldomir and Gatti:rolleyes:

I watched that fight live as a matter of fact. I disagreed with the negative reception of the HBO announcers then, and now. I had Mayweather winning 115-111 with the benefit of the doubt in rounds going to Castillo for activity. I don't think there was any question whatsoever about the rematch now was there?? At the time I was rooting for Castillo, btw. It is also important to keep in mind that Floyd is certainly not the fighter he used to be. Reviewing tape of his early fights in comparison to his most recent performances, to any whom are knowledgable of the sport of boxing can clearly see a difference. Floyd has stepped his game up considerably.

Let me say this though; I am NOT in Boxing for the fucking personalities. I could give a shit about the character flaws of a fighter. I thought that was obvious coming from a Zab Judah backer! Fighters personalities usually come out in the ring, look at Ali, Tyson, Naseem Hamed, Pernell Whitaker, Comacho, etc etc etc. Its a very important part of the sport humanizing and endearing fighters who display the most brutal of qualities in the ring and as much as most fighters wont admit it Im sure when they are loved or hated on it affects them in different ways.

Let me say this though; I am NOT in Boxing for the fucking personalities. I could give a shit about the character flaws of a fighter.

I got this from another site.. Good article! Why Floyd Mayweather Jr will Lose to Oscar De La Hoya and Why That's Good By Chris Ackerman, BRC DH Boxing Pretty bold statement considering I have said Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the best pure boxer in the business and has the skills and natural talent to be in the HOF as an all time P4P type guy. I have said that, and I still say that. The problem is he is a jackass and has placed himself in a lose-lose situation. There is no win here for him thanks to stupid decisions, stupid behaviour and inexplicably stupid comments…both chronic and recent. Let’s backtrack a bit to when Floyd first really blew everyone’s mind. That was Diego Corrales night. After that performance PBF could do no wrong, and very a la RJJ coasted for years cleaning out guys who should have been sparring partners while avoiding hunting for the defining fights that would secure a legacy that could never be tarnished. I’m not trying to beat up on Roy. In his defense, there wasn’t much to do at 175 that he didn’t do but challenges are where you find them and neither guy seemed as interested in looking as they did in basking and reveling. That’s where phrases like “If it makes dollars, it makes sense” come from. They come from the arrogance of youth that can’t grasp the fact that all the money in the world can’t buy you out of the decades of sleepless nights that come when the chanting has stopped and you are left to ponder all the talent and opportunity that has been squandered on nonsense, posses, broads and bling. So Floyd fought DeMarcus Corley. So he fought Zab Judah instead of Antonio Margarito. So he fought Arturo Gatti instead of Miguel Cotto. Look, you can fill in the names in whatever way you want, the point is he spent the last five years making excuses and creating questions instead of creating a legacy and making history. To his credit he fought Castillo twice, but that was before the modern incarnation and the adoption policy of the convenient opponents like Baldomir instead of Hatton. Winky Wright? Come on. What made it all worse is that through it all, little Floyd has run his mouth and called out virtually every other fighter of this or any other generation as being inferior. You know what? He may be right. He may be better than all but maybe 4 or 5 guys in history, but how are we to know when he only targets guys like Arturo to whom he gave a C+ ranking? How do you call yourself the pinnacle and evolution of the sport when you are beating on second or third tier fighters? And then the retirement talk… Something doesn’t jibe between the talk and the walk. James Toney has a big mouth and is a rude crude jerk too, but has he looked for a way out of a tough night? This fight has been brewing for years, we all know it. But did any of us think it would happen? Well now here it is. In retrospect doesn’t it seem kind of convenient that Floyd really sounded off about it, threatened retirement etc. only after Oscar seemed to be de-clawed and a little over the hill? I’m just sayin’. The problem with the strategy is that PBF is now painted into a corner from which there is no way to emerge triumphant, even if he wins the fight. Incidentally, I no longer think he will. Perhaps I am just so tired of the antics that I don’t think Floyd deserves to get his hand raised against a guy who, at least in public, carries himself with a good deal of class and dignity, but I have a feeling that all boxing prowess in the world isn’t going to get Floyd out of what he jawed himself into. Let’s talk about that first. No question Floyd is faster. No question he has better hand and foot speed, better defense, crisper combination and far more fluidity. Hands down, the boxing skills are clearly in his favour. He is also one of the most clever and adaptable guys in the ring too, great smarts even in his youth…a sixth sense almost. He is also 4 years younger, and while Oscar has had only 5 more fights, his ring age is grandpa-esque thanks to some of the wars. On those factors alone, this fight should be a wash. But… How many factors can come into play that favour DLH? He is training with Shane Mosley. That’s good. Shane looks fast again, and makes a great partner for getting Oscar’s reflexes somewhere in the ballpark they need to be in. Plus he hits way harder than PBF. Freddy Roach is on the case. Did pretty good teaching Pac how to go about destroying Morales, plus one or two other minor little accomplishments along the way. There isn’t much new he can get Oscar to master, but even just psychologically he’s a good guy to have around to prep with. Oscar is crafty his own self, and as a veteran he knows a couple tricks or two…I’m sure he has watched tapes of how Vernon Forrest so convincingly stymied the offense of his sparring partner, Mosley. “The way you neutralize speed is with the jab.” Sound familiar. And then there is the Oscar de la Hoya beard. I’m not sure he could grow a real one, but the chops are rock solid and Floyd can’ knock him out…and even trying will mean taking some huge risks. You feel that? That little surge of adrenalin you felt was in picturing this fight devolving into a gutter war. It won’t. If Floyd is going to score and score repeatedly he is going to have to do it from range. In and out, in and out. Pile up the points and go home, because Oscar will be standing at the end no matter what he does. Most important in Oscar’s favor is the interplay between his chin and his power. He can eat up a whole lot of Floyd’s hands without being too phased to throw his own. Floyd has to know this, and has to also know that Oscar is bigger, stronger and will be constantly coming forward. And that if that sick left hook lands that’s it, as Mickey says, ‘it’s coitans, for ya”. The million dollar question is whether that hook, or any other big shot will land…for my money, in a 12 round fight the answer is a resounding yes. Can Floyd handle it? Dunno. But Oscar is a great finisher and a hurt Mayweather is a very unfortunate Mayweather. Really, here is what I think is fair to expect from the fight in terms of outcome. If i gets to the 8th or 9th round, Floyd will put it on cruise control because Oscar will be pretty much out of gas save for a few spurts here and there. His legs will be shot by 9 though and he’ll have little, if any, hope of catching up with the uber conditioned Mayweather. Before that though, Floyd is in the danger zone. Especially out of the gate, before PBF has done much figuring out, and through the first 4 or 5 as Oscar tries to capitalize on his superior size and strength. We’ll pretty much know by the end of 5 how the fight is gonna go, but hold your breath until then. But here is the worst part for Mayweather…it almost doesn’t matter what happens. If he wins, what will critics say? Something along the lines of my second and fourth paragraph. His opponent was old, slow, tired and this fight proves nothing but that Floyd once again took a fight that had an angle. He has adopted the villain persona, but that only cashes in when the villain is a guy the public loves to hate. If the public just hates a guy, they change the channel and don’t by the cologne or whatever else he’s selling. He has been trash-talking a pretty beloved guy…that’s risky. AND, if Floyd loses…well, this may surprise you but if Floyd loses it might be the best thing that has ever happened to him. If he loses, he’ll be humiliated, ridiculed on fan sites and will look and feel like a fool. That’s good. Remember getting whooped as a kid? Remember how that smartened you up? Think of Saturday May 15th as PBF’s long overdue day to get his backside paddled for his insolence, but it’s more than just because of the attitude. Hell, if he was good at the bad guy schtick, I’d be lovin’ it…it just seems too phony, cheesy and contrived. He has said there can’t be two good guys going into this fight and that he purposefully took on the role of bad guy. With so much on the line, it seems unprofessional and immature to act out a weak hip-hop video…flashing the cash, the rings and watch filled with rocks…especially when his opponent could buy and sell him a thousand times over with just his pocket change. Floyd’s is 50 Cent to Oscar’s Jay-Z. Bottom line, I reckon everyone should hope for Oscar, because there is no way Mayweather can trash anyone ever again if he loses AND, more importantly, there is no way he can retire without reestablishing himself as P4P king. Not with that ego. And that means he will have to fight. To fight hard. To fight often and to fight the best. Now that’s good for boxing, and good for Floyd Junior and good for all of us who believe he is an incredible talent. I'll have to see when I have time to read this.. Paraphrase just a bit in the future - would you?. :lol1:

What a worthless lengthy diatribe. Yes, some good logic used, but the great majority of the persuasive statements used to prove the point are subjective reasoning based on personal opinion and bias emphasizing immature behavior and counteractive statements. Nothing of substance here. All in all, the fact of the matter remains. Floyd is unbeaten. 37 fighters have tried to rob the king of his crown, 37 have failed -- and failed miserably! Floyd has won world titles in 5 different weight classes. Need I remind you that this feat has never been accomplished before in the history of boxing. Until he loses, there is absolutely no legitimate reason for criticism considering the fact that he is 18-0 in world title bouts, some of which were big name opponents, all the while never once even coming close to defeat. Until he loses, any knocks on his ability, potential and legacy are simply angry anti-fanatic ad hominem attacks, plain and simple.

"...And then there is the Oscar de la Hoya beard. I’m not sure he could grow a real one, but the chops are rock solid and Floyd can’ knock him out…and even trying will mean taking some huge risks. You feel that? .." :haha: wtf is that?

I agree... Fade? I'm far from a Floyd fan, but Hatton has admitted as has Warren, that they turned down fights with Mayweather in the past because Hatton was not ready at the time. Same thing with Cotto. Mayweather only left Arum in 2006 and while he was under Arum, there no was no way he was putting Cotto and Mayweather together that soon. The fight is worth shit compared to other people Mayweather could fight and Judah is more or less an opponent they are using to size up how Cotto would do against Mayweather. I read that article too. Has some good points and it won't hurt Oscar's pro fan base views. Floyd has said, and Oscar never denied, that he's been trying toget Oscar in the ring for the longest, with alot of struggle . Seems like only after Floyd announced his retirement did Oscar come to his $en$e$ and decide now is the time to get it on. But, with certain stipulations in favor of Oscar. :boxing:

Floyd never ducked Cotto and Hatton.

Oscar has lost 3 of his last 4 fights. Regardless of Floyd's opponents, Oscar won't beat him.

is not that he ducked cotto or hatton, is i guess he is waiting for them to fade a lil bit, you have to fight fighters at their prime and at their best, on year from now floyd can take on hatton @ 147 or even @ 140 Fade? I'm far from a Floyd fan, but Hatton has admitted as has Warren, that they turned down fights with Mayweather in the past because Hatton was not ready at the time. Same thing with Cotto. Mayweather only left Arum in 2006 and while he was under Arum, there no was no way he was putting Cotto and Mayweather together that soon. The fight is worth shit compared to other people Mayweather could fight and Judah is more or less an opponent they are using to size up how Cotto would do against Mayweather.

I didnt read most of it because it was far too long but the begining is so stupid that it was no need to read it. Floyd dodged Cotto & Hatton? That is too funny. This guy is a clown if he believes that and so are fans. Everyone knows that Arum wouldnt let Cotto anywhere near Floyd and Hatton has admitted that he doesnt want Floyd yet. Floyd wouldve jumped on those fights like water. Its so stupid is not that he ducked cotto or hatton, is i guess he is waiting for them to fade a lil bit, you have to fight fighters at their prime and at their best, on year from now floyd can take on hatton @ 147 or even @ 140