Sam Langford vs. Roy Jones JR

Sam or the fighter he's fighting is even close to as advanced as that guy Roy fought, this looks like novices

Roy 2nd match vs a no name Roy even this early is way more advanced than the whole class Sam fought in

I went by Boxrec rankings Not sure Ring magazines are much better either. Derevyankchenko #5 despite losing 6 of his last 8. Which brings me to another point, back then the rankings wasn't anywhere as baffling as they are today. If they fought a guy ranked #1 or #3 or whatever chances are they had legitimate earned that spot, not given it. Mission success, defeated cult member,you're next,once I have my footage which you for a fact can't go over with anymore odd words/lies,he has told you repeatedly to stop lying and implying he himself is lying

Decent southpaw but the other kid? He has no real clue how to fight a southpaw. Stiff as a board, upright, chin up in the air, constantly out of position not once is his lead foot on the outside and this is supposed to be advanced? You keep posting angles/feints etc where are they? Give us a time stamp. Seriously what angles there wasn't a single feint to be seen in the entire fight lol Then you say not off balance? Maybe you missed the four times at a bare minimum he got caught off balance alone in the first round or the multiple times he overextended and dropped his hand completely and was very lucky a left cross didn't come over the top not to mention how many times he caught while bouncing even got clipped mid-air when his feet left the canvas :rolleyes: Constantly caught pulling straight back and getting his head snapped back like a Pez dispenser. US kid is a good little fighter in fairness, the other - is totally out of his depth & dangerously flawed really. You must be watching a different fight to what you're posting or just seeing what you want to see or something. Maybe his style would work a lot better in the amateurs against more conventional fighters but if you think there are advances here or these kids are more skilled or have a better technique or anything than these old pioneers such as SRR, Benton, Kid Gavilian, Jose Napoles, etc I don't know what there is to say because he did terribly. If anything I feel the video could be used to highlight how not to fight a southpaw. He is done with words, since you're calling him a liar, he will for a fact prove you wrong, he will for a fact prove you didn't watch any match of even the 30s-40s or Sam, he will expose you very well, you will no longer need to lie the ascended as you will no way to lie you're way out of what he will show to you Since you wanna keep lying and acting blind,let's see you try that with what I present to you he only wanted to show how he could speak words to the not sane,words are meaningless to him as they cannot alter footage,now words will no longer be used only vision and evidence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RitgTiTvXc all lies, cause I'm watching now their using angles/feints/smooth on their feet, switching angles great, not off balance, not as easy to read, way better defense, on top of way better punch techniques,and no they aren't throwing hooks only which is another lie you're only exposing you're can't see good or not watching at all, which one is it?,both i would say,where is you're proof from full matches showing 30-40s,as advanced?,where is the matches Decent southpaw but the other kid? He has no real clue how to fight a southpaw. Stiff as a board, up right, chin up in the air, constantly out of position not once is his lead foot on the outside and this is supposed to be advanced? You keep posting angles/feints etc where are they? Give us a time stamp. Seriously what angles and there wasn't a single feint to be seen in the entire fight lol Then you say not off balance? Maybe you missed the four times at a bare minimum he got caught off balance alone in the first round or the multiple times he overextended and dropped his hand completely and was very lucky a left cross didn't come over the top not to mention how many times he caught while bouncing even got clipped mid-air when his feet left the canvas :rolleyes: Constantly caught pulling straight back and getting his head snapped back like a Pez dispenser. US kid is a good little fighter in fairness, the other - totally out of his depth & dangerously flawed really. You must be watching a different fight to what you're posting or just seeing what you want to see or something. Maybe his style would work a lot better in the amateurs against more conventional fighters but if you think there are advances here or this kids more skilled or has better technique or anything than these old pioneers such as SRR, Benton, Kid Gavilian, Jose Napoles etc I don't really know what there is to say because he did terrible. If anything I feel the video could be used to highlight how not to fight a southpaw.

Do you even watch the videos posted? You proved the sport has advanced by posting a pair of amateurs blocking every single punch with their faces and standing just taking it in turns to hit each other repeatably with left hooks. Baffling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RitgTiTvXc all lies, cause I'm watching now their using angles/feints/smooth on their feet, switching angles great, not off balance, not as easy to read, way better defense, on top of way better punch techniques,and no they aren't throwing hooks only which is another lie you're only exposing you're can't see good or not watching at all, which one is it?,both i would say,where is you're proof from full matches showing 30-40s,as advanced?,where is the matches

So advanced that 100 yrs later they're still mimicking his style and fighters are still having great success with it, still breaking it down and studying his technique and the mechanics and teaching it in gyms all over the world. You have countless fighters across countless decades in the HOF who based their styles on his. You won't find any trainer or fighter watching them two amateurs and taking anything away from it. Well other than yourself maybe

Do you even watch the videos posted? You proved the sport has advanced by posting pair of amateurs blocking every single punch with their faces and stood just taking it in turns to hit each other repeatably with left hooks? Baffling.

How can we claim they weren't skilled or pretend they were a caveman and the sport has advanced so much? I tell you something a lot of these supposed ATGs and fighters who will go down as greater fighters could have learned a lot from the likes of these two. I don't see these advanced fighters today fighting in a wider stance with far less skill for the most part. Can't even block or parry a jab for Christ's sake, day 1 beginner shut! I don't know how anyone can watch this even if they are casual and not able to appreciate it. This is high-level, clean technical boxing. it's all a claim even though multiple videos were shown proving the sport advanced a lot even by 19-year-old amateurs in the 70s, and no names in the 80s,my job will never stop with liars/lunatics like you

Parrying the jab Finishes combinations with the jab to maintain distance. Half step back to create room to counter Variety on the jab - jabbing up and down Opponent comes in low so he controls the head and steps around like a matador...these days they would just accept the clinch as there stance is so wide they haven't the mobility so much for being so athletic. High understanding of framing and fighting in the clinch not all this headlock and lean on your opponent rubbish that puts every single one of us too sleep each weekend. Just so much stuff, even real basic that has become almost a forgotten art. These days they'll just parry a jab with their forehead and apparently that is advanced stuff. These old-timers are every bit as skilled as todays fighters in fact the only ones who are more skilled are the likes of Floyd Mayweather Jr, Mike McCallum, Hearns, Hagler, Duran etc, the true elites that studied them and implemented what they did into their own styles on top of world class fundamentals and did so with a great understanding unlike todays fighters who will try and mimic what Floyd or someone does with absolutely zero understanding of the purpose of it. Lunatic no Evidence at all,and clearly can't see good

I went by Boxrec rankings Not sure Ring magazines are much better either. Derevyankchenko #5 despite losing 6 of his last 8. Which brings me to another point, back then the rankings wasn't anywhere as baffling as they are today. If they fought a guy ranked #1 or #3 or whatever chances are they had legitimate earned that spot, not given it. The Ring's rankings are infinitely better.

Parrying the jab Finishes combinations with the jab to maintain distance. Half step back to create room to counter Variety on the jab - jabbing up and down Opponent comes in low so he controls the head and steps around like a matador...these days they would just accept the clinch as there stance is so wide they haven't the mobility so much for being so athletic. High understanding of framing and fighting in the clinch not all this headlock and lean on your opponent rubbish that puts every single one of us too sleep each weekend. Just so much stuff, even real basic that has become almost a forgotten art. These days they'll just parry a jab with their forehead and apparently that is advanced stuff. These old-timers are every bit as skilled as todays fighters in fact the only ones who are more skilled are the likes of Floyd Mayweather Jr, Mike McCallum, Hearns, Hagler, Duran etc, the true elites that studied them and implemented what they did into their own styles on top of world class fundamentals and did so with a great understanding unlike todays fighters who will try and mimic what Floyd or someone does with absolutely zero understanding of the purpose of it.

How can we claim they wasn't skilled or pretend they was caveman and the sport has advanced so much? I tell you something a lot of these supposed ATGs and fighters who will go down as greater fighters could have learned a lot from the likes of these two. I don't see these advances just fighters today fight in a wider stance with far less skill for most part. Can't even block or parry a jab for Christ sake, day 1 beginner shlt! I don't know how anyone can watch this even if they are a casual and not be able to appreciate it. This is high level, clean technical boxing.

Not that I disagree with overall point but Eubank's not #1, he's not even Top 5 and Smith is unranked. I don't think Eubank has ever been ranked in the Top 5 of any division ever. I went by Boxrec rankings Not sure Ring magazines are much better either. Derevyankchenko #5 despite losing 6 of his last 8. Which brings me to another point, back then the rankings wasn't anywhere as baffling as they are today. If they fought a guy ranked #1 or #3 or whatever chances are they had legitimate earned that spot, not given it.

Maybe we should have todays fighters fight under the same conditions. Have them fight every other week regardless what injuries they had No training camps Same day weigh ins forcing them to fight at their natural weight classes Having to fight everyone being unable to cherrypick and avoid certain opponents and styles Hundreds of fights and fighting well into their 40s No steroids or PEDs No access to supplements 15 rounds Fighting in all weather conditions Wearing heavy leather boots Lets see how advanced they and training/nutrition really is because its all a load of absolute rubbish as far as I am concerned. Advances in nutrition and all this, what absolute rubbish all your food is full of synthetic cr4p and injected with hormones, water, dyes and God knows what. Grown in a lab. Their training consists of squats and typing on Twitter with a light padwork session at night. The sports on its a55. No real teachers, the fighters are soft, pampered brats who take no risks and fight twice a year max. Train when they feel like it. You have a Youtuber dabbling in boxing for a few years bouncing up and down doing star jumps and lunging in from 8ft away with an overhand right and clinching over and over and over and he is on even terms with one of todays supposed boxers. Zero basics just awful yet this boxer who has been doing it supposedly for 20yrs and has 20lbs on him can't do anything with him. Should tell anyone all they need to know about where this sports heading. These fighters of today can't box or fight, they're ****! No fundamentals just a load of galoots pushing their right hand and falling in repeatably. Hardly any fighter today even knows how to cut a ring off or move their head. They have like two shots in their entire arsenal and we're sitting playing pretend and acting like its so advanced? British boxings come on along way hasn't it. A terrible excuse for a jab that has no variety they're too scared to step in with while their right gloves pinned to the cheek. Its a mess. They wouldn't last 5 minutes fighting under the same conditions or even survive 2 minutes without access to a computer. Spoken or written like a true connoisseur of boxing

I have posted countless, alternatively you could just as easily go on Youtube and type in their name followed by vs and loads of their fights will pop up. We are in an era where Leigh Wood is #1 in his division. Eubank Jr #1 and Liam Smith ranked #2.. Fighters like Tim Tyszu arguably being the #1 in his division If anything we've gone back to the friggin' stone age. There are loads of ATGs that was essentially watered down clones of Sugar Ray, copied his style and moniker and was quite clearly inferior and haven't half the resume or accolades. Yet nobody questions them. His footwork, skill, speed, power, technique is clear as day and still clear when grossly out of shape and well past it and well into his forties. This him past prime and not even at his best weight Not that I disagree with overall point but Eubank's not #1, he's not even Top 5 and Smith is unranked. I don't think Eubank has ever been ranked in the Top 5 of any division ever.

Which fight are you referring to? Any, all. Rate the losers and their resumes.

The What angle is used? What fluidity and defense? Like seriously did either of them miss a single shot, what defense? I have posted tons of videos it's just you automatically dismiss everything saying it's not long enough or something. What is even the point if you think or are trying to make out those two novices are more advanced than SRR? Both fighters themselves would even laugh in your face if they heard you claim that. He dismisses everything cause you're footage is invalid, you even going against him is a mistake, and you're e trying to alter footage that you can't alter, what do you mean I'm trying to make them as advanced, what do you mean laugh how would they laugh if they for a fact already know they are way more advanced in every area I'm not you're a teacher I can't teach you what is advanced or make you see good or bad, my job is to say what is and isn't on recorded footage nothing else, I'm ascended I'm trying to help you see good,even though it's not my job

​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxil4OkEtUk 80s no names https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RitgTiTvXc 19 years old These guys were way more advanced in angle use, timing, fluid/defense/tech, you for a fact, can't make Ray in those prime videos as advanced or the people he fought as advanced.sam you can't either,you have no footage to go over this from semi or full rounds,you know you don't What angle use? What fluidity and defense? Like seriously did either of them miss a single shot, what defense? I have posted tons of videos its just you automatically dismiss everything saying its not long enough or something. Like what is even the point if you think or are trying to make out those two novices are more advanced than SRR? Both fighters themselves would even laugh in your face if they heard you claim that.

They are full length fights. ​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxil4OkEtUk 80s no names https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RitgTiTvXc 19 years old These guys were way more advanced in angle use, timing, fluid/defense/tech, you for a fact, can't make Ray in those prime videos as advanced or the people he fought as advanced.sam you can't either,you have no footage to go over this from semi or full rounds,you know you don't