ROY JONES JR. ; WAS HE THE BEST SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT ?
The " Super Middleweight '" division with a 168 pound weight limit was conceived by the International Boxing Federation in 1984. On March 28th of that year rugged Murray Sutherland pounded out a fifteen round decision over Ernie Singletary in Atlantic City to become the first champion of this bastard weight classification. . The World Boxing Association began to recognize the weight class in 1987. The World Boxing Council followed suit in 1988. Somewhere along the line the lightly regarded World Boxing Organization also gave this division its blessing. In all fairness the creation of the 168 pound class has some merit. The jump from middleweight ( 160 ) to light heavyweight ( 175 ) is a serious challenge. A few have accomplished the feat but other great middleweights like Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler avoided the issue.
Little by little the division began to take hold. Currently the top regarded super middleweight is Joe Calzaghe although he now has a serious challenger in Mikkel Kessler. Since 1984 though the division has been graced by some great, great boxers. Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns and James Toney all held the piece of the title at one point or another. Iran Barkley, Nigel Benn and Michael Nunn among others were recognized titleholders.
Who was the best 168 pound boxer since the inception of the weight class in 1984. Many will favor Joe Calzaghe because of his numerous title defenses. It would be hard not to say Leonard or Hearns as their classic battle at 168 lbs. ended in a controversial draw. Really neither boxer spent a lot of time in this weight class to make a major impact. Well for my money I feel the most formidable super middleweight titleholder was Roy Jones Jr. In the two years he held the crown he made six successful defenses, all by knockout.
Roy won the title by defeating unbeaten James Toney. This much anticipated Super Bout took place on November 18, 1994. Toney had won the title in 1993 with an impressive stoppage of Iran Barkley. Entering the Las Vegas ring to face Jones, Toney sported a 44-0-2 record. The fight wasn't even close. Jones scored a flash knockdown over Toney in the third round. Roy then proceeded to walk off with the title by scores of 119-108, 118-109 and 117-111.
In March of 1995 Roy blitzed the capable Antoine Byrd in a single round. Then in June he dominated the popular Vinny Pazienza. The bout was halted in six rounds. Then Roy took out veteran contender Tony Thornton in three rounds. In 1996 Roy belted out the game and hard punching Merqui Sosa in two. Rough and tough Eric Lucas was next and his grit and determination took him into the twelfth and final round when the bout was finally stopped. In 2001 Lucas would win the WBC version of the title. In his sixth and final defense he took out unbeaten Bryant Brannon in the second. One month later Roy would beat Mike McCallum for light heavyweight honors.
Taking the Toney fight and all six of his defenses into account, the combined record of Roy's opposition was an astounding 208-21-7. That should clearly show how dominant Roy was at this weight. Could Roy have beaten Leonard, Hearns or even Calzaghe at this weight ? Good question but it is plain that nobody other then maybe Calzaghe dominated like Roy did at 168 pounds.
I think there is no doubt that Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank fought the best competition at 168 pounds. They certainly should be considered above Jones in the 168 all time rankings.
Benn fought: Sugar Boy Malinga (1-1), Mauro Galvano, Chris Eubank, Henry Wharton, Gerald McClellan, Vincenzo Nardiello and Steve Collins (Benn was shot by the time he fought Collins, the G-Man fight had really fucked him up).
Eubank fought: Michael Watson, Sugar Boy Malinga, Nigel Benn, Graciano Rocchigiani, Henry Wharton, Steve Collins and Joe Calzaghe.
Steve Collins fought and beat a shot Benn and an off colour Eubank. Still not insignificant accomplishments.
Calzaghe fought: Eubank (past his prime, but still a handful), Reid, Woodhall, Starie, Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell and Lacy. Given his longevity as well and you have a fighter with a more credible claim (than Jones Jr) to be the greatest supermiddle ever.
Best competition is called JAMES TONEY
my honest opinion is RJJ is not the greatest super middleweight ever....far from it...
His record is extraordinarily padded out with less than credible opponents and he only travels to fight within spitting distance of his home.
He beat Hopkins early in his career...so what....Hopkins lost his first fight to an unknown...
RJJ has avoided, intentionally or not, too many of the great super middleweights in his era..
a long unbeaten stretch of fights means nothing these days, especially when there are so many titles and bum fighters out there.
Anyone can look great knocking out these unknowns ... putting your hands behind your back and all the other crap....
How he has made a career without fighting a single great super middleweight fighter I have no idea.
so dominating p4p#1 at that time, james toney, isnt beating the best competiton, destroying Malinga is easy??????please.............
True, you have to go to war with the best fighters from your era if you want to be called the best.
I think there is no doubt that Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank fought the best competition at 168 pounds. They certainly should be considered above Jones in the 168 all time rankings.
Benn fought: Sugar Boy Malinga (1-1), Mauro Galvano, Chris Eubank, Henry Wharton, Gerald McClellan, Vincenzo Nardiello and Steve Collins (Benn was shot by the time he fought Collins, the G-Man fight had really fucked him up).
Eubank fought: Michael Watson, Sugar Boy Malinga, Nigel Benn, Graciano Rocchigiani, Henry Wharton, Steve Collins and Joe Calzaghe.
Steve Collins fought and beat a shot Benn and an off colour Eubank. Still not insignificant accomplishments.
Calzaghe fought: Eubank (past his prime, but still a handful), Reid, Woodhall, Starie, Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell and Lacy. Given his longevity as well and you have a fighter with a more credible claim (than Jones Jr) to be the greatest supermiddle ever.
my honest opinion is RJJ is not the greatest super middleweight ever....far from it...
His record is extraordinarily padded out with less than credible opponents and he only travels to fight within spitting distance of his home.
He beat Hopkins early in his career...so what....Hopkins lost his first fight to an unknown...
RJJ has avoided, intentionally or not, too many of the great super middleweights in his era..
a long unbeaten stretch of fights means nothing these days, especially when there are so many titles and bum fighters out there.
Anyone can look great knocking out these unknowns ... putting your hands behind your back and all the other crap....
How he has made a career without fighting a single great super middleweight fighter I have no idea.
I suppose Nigel Benn is a harder hitter than Sam Peter too.. You red karma giving British pansy. Excuses, excuses, excuses.. How could I expect any unbiasedness here.. Most Brits Ive spoke to have actually told me that David Beckham is one of the greatest athletes in the world... Sad..Cant debate with people like you. Intellectually dishonest with yourself and others .. You put heritage and country before truth.
I hugely doubt the validity of that. I dont know any English people who would say such a thing and there is no way in the world that many people from Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland would even admit to him being especially good, let alone one of the greatest athletes in the world.
Sounds like something you made up on the hope that it'd help you look good in an argument...it didnt.
I suppose Nigel Benn is a harder hitter than Sam Peter too.. You red karma giving British pansy. Excuses, excuses, excuses.. How could I expect any unbiasedness here.. Most Brits Ive spoke to have actually told me that David Beckham is one of the greatest athletes in the world... Sad..Cant debate with people like you. Intellectually dishonest with yourself and others .. You put heritage and country before truth.
so your american suporting an american but you arent bias
but a brit supporting a brit is bias
your an Imbecile
even more red karma coming your way!!
Watch Eubank get dropped solidly by Nigel Benn. Youve never seen Toney be dropped that viciously EVEN AFTER HE MOVED UP TO HEAVYWEIGHT! Watch Eubank whine like a little bitch to the referee to after he was dropped. This clown is a would get schooled by a prime RJJ. IT WOULDNT EVEN BE CLOSE. You biased nuthuggers want to tell me this guy had a better chin than Toney and would have beat RJ? Sad....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YWg3W57HGAE
the punch caused a slip, eubank wasn't even slightly hurt. Any idiot knows that!
dude, there are at least 5 people telling you one thing and your believing another. are you really this ignorant?
I believe Jones was indeed the best SM.
Benn himself said "Jones wasnt human at Supermiddleweight".
Benn was at his best at Middleweight, as was Eubank.
Jones has stated that Eubank would have been a difficult fight. He was very tough, awkward and powerful at his best.
I suppose Nigel Benn is a harder hitter than Sam Peter too.. You red karma giving British pansy. Excuses, excuses, excuses.. How could I expect any unbiasedness here.. Most Brits Ive spoke to have actually told me that David Beckham is one of the greatest athletes in the world... Sad..Cant debate with people like you. Intellectually dishonest with yourself and others .. You put heritage and country before truth.
Iaint biased i pick Jones too and as far as Hatton do i think he beats Floyd or Cotto? No but he is still a great fighter. I just dont think its too clever of u to label a whole nation pansies coz of a few posts that ARENT even that ridiculous!
PLEASE.. More intellectual dishonesty from the peanut gallery. Toney never got knocked on his asz at SMW like Eubank did. Eubank got his asz kicked by Benn, and in their second fight got a gift.
Roy put Toney down at 168.................
You should be banned for stupidity you mental midget.
Eubank wouldnt lay a glove on Jones, nevermind make him look like a fool. Toneys chin was better than Eubanks, and Toney was more skilled than Eubank. Your biasedness is blinding you. As for Calzaghe, you cant honestly think hes the greatest SMW ever? WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE COME UP WITH THIS SH*T. Joe is too scared to leave his home country and has never left his weight division. Roy Jones at 168 would absoleutly destro Calzaghe..IT WOULDNT EVEN BE CLOSE. ID bet big money that Jermain Taylor would bust him up too by moving up. Who has Calzaghe beat.. Jeff Lacy on his home turf? WOW! Lennox Lewis was the last great boxer to come from Britian and he wasn't even British he was Canadian BBWWAHHH! Red coat pansy.
Please, Toney's chin was iron. Eubank's chin was stronger however. Eubank's chin is legendary. Eubank was btter than Toney at 168 pounds and his overral résumé compares favourably to James Toney's. Eubank only ever lost when he was past his prime, much like Roy Jones (apart from Roy's DQ).
Who faced the best competition at Super Middle? Nigel Benn.
Who had the lengthiest title reign? Joe Calzaghe.
Roy's reign at Super middle was not especially long and he did not fight the best competition.
Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Joe Calzaghe and Steve Collins all have stronger claims to be the greatest fighter at 168.
Roy was a great Lightheavyweight. His time at Super-middle was short.
You should be banned for stupidity you mental midget.
Eubank wouldnt lay a glove on Jones, nevermind make him look like a fool. Toneys chin was better than Eubanks, and Toney was more skilled than Eubank. Your biasedness is blinding you. As for Calzaghe, you cant honestly think hes the greatest SMW ever? WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE COME UP WITH THIS SH*T. Joe is too scared to leave his home country and has never left his weight division. Roy Jones at 168 would absoleutly destro Calzaghe..IT WOULDNT EVEN BE CLOSE. ID bet big money that Jermain Taylor would bust him up too by moving up. Who has Calzaghe beat.. Jeff Lacy on his home turf? WOW! Lennox Lewis was the last great boxer to come from Britian and he wasn't even British he was Canadian BBWWAHHH! Red coat pansy.
Ever heard of Ricky Hatton u cock?
Eubank would have made Jones look a fool the first half of the fight, that’s for sure. After that, who knows? One thing is for certain, Jr wouldn’t be knocking Chris out.
And Calzaghe would be the greatest SMW ever; he’s been the top guy in the division for the last 7 years, and a champion for even longer.
Don't be all sensitive and angry because you were exposed as a biased nationalist! At least be intellectually honest with yourself. If you TRULY believe Eubank would have beaten a prime RJJ your analytical skills need a great deal of work.
eubank was a great fighter. he had an power speed and great skills. he had a very frustrating style and p4p one of the best jaws i have ever seen
nice red line BTW!
Not sure his Super Middle record warrents bieng considered the best ever in the division but for me he most certainly is! Is power and speed were awsum his reflexs Ridiculous and his combo's blinding! He for me is the best Super middle of all time. I once met Nigel Benn @ a night club here and said to him its a pitty u never got that Roy Jones fight and do u know what he said? "Its the best thing that ever happened in my career, he woulda killed me!
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