Its for a UFC debate Im having.
Can be in any weight class.
-1 punch KO power
- excellent speed and agility.
-excellent footworking
-very good technical fighter..
I know it might be asking a lot but any ideas?
Only 1 fighter that has been mentioned actually fits the "true description".
Hatton doesn't have the 1 punch power.
Manny Pac doesn't isn't a good technical fighter
Wlad's defense and chin would leave too much room for rebuttal.
The only guy that actually has EVERYTHING you've asked for is......
Rafael Marquez!
the reason mma fighters fight for 10,000 purses is because they dont have the skill to fight for 1,000,000 purses. theres a reason even the best fighters there have losses at a higher percentages than the best boxers. boxing is a science that has been continually perfected for 150 years. extreme fighting is still in its infancy. gracie would never be able to get close enough to tyson to apply a submission hold. with those small gloves he would get his ribs shattered or head caved in the first few moments of the fight. if submissions were the dominant technique no one would practice striking.
Oh, I might be wrong with Ken Shamrock comment, I think I was thinking of someone else.
Never much of a fan of Ken's, looked like he juiced after his loss to Gracie.
Old Larry Holmes.
Buster Douglas.
Francois Botha.
Lou Savarese
Brian Nielson
Andrew Golota
Buster Mathis JR
Bunch of fat fucks....you do the math. And I'm done trying to educate someone who posts a dancing banana.
Buster Douglas was fat when he fought Mike?
Notice you didn't mention Ruddock and Bruno, why?
If you train at 13 year old Tyson in MMA, that means you teach him everythign he needs to know.
That means, Tyson will have the ability to kick, knee, elbow, grapple, etc.
And for your comments about who he faced, shit, you are right, he faced a bunch of "Fat Guys"...Wow, what a dumb piece of shit you are.
I should just go along and talk about how Gracie was accused of picking his opponents, and when he stepped up, he got his ass beat. But shit, that would mean I am being stupid, and don't know shit, so I will leave it to you to act like the dumb shit.:banana:
Old Larry Holmes.
Buster Douglas.
Francois Botha.
Lou Savarese
Brian Nielson
Andrew Golota
Buster Mathis JR
Bunch of fat fucks....you do the math. And I'm done trying to educate someone who posts a dancing banana.
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I don't think Tyson would ever be balanced to throw anything resembling him teeing off on Huge fat guys like he did throughout his career.
I mean talking stand up fighting it's a joke looking at Lou Savarese.
Look at combat....you're limiting big guys to a stand up fight where they're forced to be balanced while throwing a punch. I've never seen them throw elbows, head butts, knees, lower leg kicks, kicks to the balls, charlie horses...OVER AND OVER.
Hell let's face it on the street anything goes....so that means anything goes for Tyson right? He showed his tendency to rush in and bite when fighting and I'm not saying he's not a MMA worthy combatant because that would be ridiculous.....because he knows of both. But where was it....that he demonstrated his combat ability OUTSIDE of Marques de Queensbury rules?
If you train a 13 year old Tyson in MMA, that means you teach him everything he needs to know.
That means, Tyson will have the ability to kick, knee, elbow, grapple, etc.
And for your comments about who he faced, shit, you are right, he faced a bunch of "Fat Guys":rolleyes: ...Wow, what a dumb piece of shit you are.
I should just go along and talk about how Gracie was accused of picking his opponents, and when he stepped up, he got his ass beat. But shit, that would mean I am being stupid, and don't know shit, so I will leave it to you to act like the dumb shit.:banana:
Oh and where I mentioned "leg kicks, balls shots etc"
Hopkins kind of proves me wrong because I think he hit Keith Holmes with about 200 low blows and he was still standing.
Nonetheless you get my drift.
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What about Tyson's speed of hand. How are you going to catch a combo punch? Oh, I mean "Catch" as in tangle up, not "catch" as in taking one to the face or ribs.
I don't think Tyson would ever be balanced to throw anything resembling him teeing off on Huge fat guys like he did throughout his career.
I mean talking stand up fighting it's a joke looking at Lou Savarese.
Look at combat....you're limiting big guys to a stand up fight where they're forced to be balanced while throwing a punch. I've never seen them throw elbows, head butts, knees, lower leg kicks, kicks to the balls, charlie horses...OVER AND OVER.
Hell let's face it on the street anything goes....so that means anything goes for Tyson right? He showed his tendency to rush in and bite when fighting and I'm not saying he's not a MMA worthy combatant because that would be ridiculous.....because he knows of both. But where was it....that he demonstrated his combat ability OUTSIDE of Marques de Queensbury rules?
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I just don't see it.
Gracie would/could lay down on the ground on his back and force Mike to go to the ground. What is he going to do? Try and stomp him? GnP?
Think about it. He's not going to come at Tyson....WTF he'd spider monkey around and the minute Tyson even attempted to charge in, or fake he could sprawl or latch on to an arm for the Kimura.
What about Tyson's speed of hand. How are you going to catch a combo punch? Oh, I mean "Catch" as in tangle up, not "catch" as in taking one to the face or ribs.
So, even if Tyson is trained from a teenager in MMA, you would still have the same thought?
There are moves to prevent locks, just ask Fedor. Fedor squirms out of positions that are great to watch.
Didn't Gracie back down from Ken Shamrock in one of their matches?
I also noticed with "Gracie" family fighters that they can have problems with people that know how to strike.
If Gracie comes in, he can get caught.
Especially Tyson, who is a hyper mother fucker. And yes, it does matter because that energy can prevent you from getting locked up.
I just don't see it.
Gracie would/could lay down on the ground on his back and force Mike to go to the ground. What is he going to do? Try and stomp him? GnP?
Think about it. He's not going to come at Tyson....WTF he'd spider monkey around and the minute Tyson even attempted to charge in, or fake he could sprawl or latch on to an arm for the Kimura.
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And you'd fucking lose.
Because Royce Gracie in his prime would latch on to him like a leech and never let Tyson get in punching range.....and then choke him out standing or he'd lock him in a Kimura. Sorry, Tyson would get subbed.
In fact...Not subbed. He'd die. Gracie would choke the life out of him.
And Gracie is fucking smaller.
So, even if Tyson is trained from a teenager in MMA, you would still have the same thought?
There are moves to prevent locks, just ask Fedor. Fedor squirms out of positions that are great to watch.
Didn't Gracie back down from Ken Shamrock in one of their matches?
I also noticed with "Gracie" family fighters that they can have problems with people that know how to strike.
If Gracie comes in, he can get caught.
Especially Tyson, who is a hyper mother fucker. And yes, it does matter because that energy can prevent you from getting locked up.
ID PUT A PRIME TYSON IN WITH ANY UFC OR BOXER OF THE SAME SIZE EVER AND ID BET THE HOUSE
And you'd fucking lose.
Because Royce Gracie in his prime would latch on to him like a leech and never let Tyson get in punching range.....and then choke him out standing or he'd lock him in a Kimura. Sorry, Tyson would get subbed.
In fact...Not subbed. He'd die. Gracie would choke the life out of him.
And Gracie is fucking smaller.
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i'd say wlad, pacquaio,
maybe : cotto (not so great technically but his body shot would KO anybody in UFC <147
maybe: b-hops and jermain taylor (both lack the KO power) (but hopkins would probably make ufc fighters look stupid)
don't know if you have ever seen this also, but i seriously think in a kickboxing or boxing (not ufc) vitali klitschko would KO mirko cro-cop or any other top ufc puncher/kicker. watch some vid's or vitalis kickboxing days before you judge
Well, James Toney at Middleweight or supermiddle and definitely RJJ at middle and super middle.
Trinidad at 147-154.
Hearns
Vic Darc
R. Marquez
PacMan
Freitas
Other guys while good just lack the 1 punch KO power you described on your list of requirements as good as Calzaghe and Winky are they are just not 1 punch KO guys.
ID PUT A PRIME TYSON IN WITH ANY UFC OR BOXER OF THE SAME SIZE EVER AND ID BET THE HOUSE
Maybe it is just the way it looks on television, but none of the MMA guys I ever seem to watch can showcase the speed in hand, head movement, that Tyson had. I have seen aggressive MMA fighters, but it doesn't seem any have the need to "Kill" like Tyson used to have. However, I haven't seen every single fighter fight, so I am still looking.
If somebody can give me some names, that would be nice.
Fedor is only 6'0, and dominates. I don't see why Tyson couldn't have if he had trained from a young age. A low center of gravity can work well.
Lets also not forget, they wear 4oz gloves.