If Shane's easy win over Collazo makes Hatton a poorer fighter then....

Collazo was destroyed by Mosley, so obviously there are A LOT of questions about Hatton... I consider a 'destruction' to be a brutal defeat, most likely by knockout. By the sounds of it, Mosely simply outscored and outboxed Collazo in the vast majority of the rounds...ironically, just like Hatton did with Urango. I have a feeling you wouldnt be so happy to consider the Hatton/Urango fight a Hatton destruction. The guy was 35. How many athletes in are in their prime at that age? Also, Tsyzu was already talking about retiring even before the fight because he felt he was getting injured often because he was getting old and he didn't feel the same since he injured his shoulder. There are plenty of instances where Tsyzu said he felt his career was coming to an end. Why do you think the guy hasn't fought in the 2 years since the Hatton fight? A few. Lewis seemed much more in his prime later in his career. I never said that Tszyu was in his prime anyway, just that he was still a capable enough fighter to be high in the P4P list. What I'm saying is the fact that he may not have been at his peak, but he was not 'shot' or 'finished'. His last fight before Hatton proved that he still had enough in him to be deserving of a place on the P4P list. Regarding Hatton's victory, of course most of them are convincing when they're in his backyards against handpicked guys he's supposed to look good against. You think all the opponents before Tsyzu were supposed to give Hatton trouble? Hatton's people wouldn't let him near anyone who was even a small threat for 8 years. Come on mate, drop the double standards. Most fighters records are padded with 'handpicked' guys in their 'backyards', Floyd Maywhether's certainly is. Has he ever even moved out of his country? Hatton has. That doesnt mean the guys they fight are 'bums' or that they are somehow easy fights. They arent. Most of the times they are title-holders or mandatory/number 1 contenders. Each of the last 6 of Hatton's fights have been for titles. That might not mean that he's cutting a swathe through the P4P ranks, but that doesnt mean that he is fighting crap opponents. Be a bit fairer in your criticism, Hatton isnt really doing anything that 95% of the other top guys are also doing. Getting the job done is perfectly fine when you've proven you can beat top fighters. One fight just isn't enough. The comparison to Ali is ridiculous. Ali beat many top fighters all over the world. Hatton beat one top fighter in his hometown. When Hatton beats more top fighters, I can certainly understand giving him credit for just gutting out a win. He's beaten one top fighter. A few other title-holders and a few other contenders. Mostly rather convincingly. In fact Hatton only has one fight on his record that doesnt go down a convincing win. What more do you want of him? Convincing wins over big fighters? Okay then, he's making an attempt to do that not (not hugely late into his career), so have a bit of patience and then you can criticise him if he doesnt get through those challenges. He was an underdog precisely because he had 40 fights and had beaten absolutely no one. No one thought Hatton was all that great since he had been making a career out of beating journeymen. Behave. Journeymen is disrespecting perfectly good boxers. There isnt just two lists you know? There isnt just 'P4P world beaters' and then 'journeymen' there is quite a bit inbetween and many of Hatton's opponents fall inbetween. The reason he had so many victories against non-P4P opponenets is because a) he fights frequently and b) he isnt America. So he has had to 'pay his dues' by fighting down a level before being able to get the big fights. He should be respected for that, not criticised. When he got his chance about Kostya, he took it. Please dont come back with the "Yeah...handpicked shot champion in his own backyard" argument, not only is it boring but its completely the opinion of ONLY the people who do not like Hatton. When he grinds out all these victories, then that's fine with me. He hasn't done that yet so he deserves the criticism. How about a compromise? You give him the opportunity to grind out the victories against the opponenets you deem to be worthy and if he doesnt, THEN you can criticise. Making assumptive criticism on things that you dont yet have any idea about is a bit retarded, dont you think? Hatton said he felt stronger, had more stamina, and more power at 147 because he didn't have to drain so much weight to make 140. He also said it was tough making it to 140 because he ballooned in between fights. If he doesn't say all that, moving back down doesn't seem that big a deal. The excuses didn't come until after he lost... What did you expect him to say? "I feel dreadful, I feel bloated, my preparation hasnt been great. I just dont feel comfortable at this weight?" Name one boxer alive who would say such a thing before a fight. Also...he didnt lose mate. Or are you so against him that you are willing to take his hard won victories away from him? Cos that doesnt do the credence of your arguments any good at all. That just makes you seem like you are pretty horribly one-dimensional in your approach here.

Since when did Junior Jones fight like Morales? Did Morales fight MAB right after Jones? Triangle logic works when similar styles are involved and when the fights Hatton within close proximity to one another.. Hatton and Mosley both had the same gameplan against Collazo and they fought him one right after the other, not like 4 years later in the case of MAB. They both used activity and some holding to beat him. Mosley just had an easier time because he's a superior fighter... Mosley and hatton are complete opposites in terms of fighting style.

Yes, we can differentiate but your speaking from ignorance because I dont suffer from altzeimers I remember a thread started by The Wire in which took place before the Mosley fight in which he and other Hatton fans assert that if Collazo defeats Mosley he should be given more credit. Now we get this thread, thats what I call hypocrsy. lol you fucking must suffer from alzheimers or some kind of insane shit cos i never started a thread like that old boy. And people saying Tszyu was shot is bullshit. The way he destroyed Sharmba Mitchell proved that. And whoever said that Tszyu knocking Judah out in two rounds wasnt a better win than Floyd winning eight out of twelve rounds against them is crazy.

of course you cant read too much into it,but are you telling me you never looked at fighter B and bassed on his past fights assumed he was going to get whooped by fighter A? of course you have,everybody does, that why theyre called upsets when shit dosent work out for fighter A. I don't do that....unless there's a stylistic implication. For instance.....I saw what Oscar did to Tito in their fight.....and I told myself I was 100% positive Wright would re enact that to even a further degree, by tagging Trinidad with shots from the outside where he's vulnerable. NOT because of 1 guy's performance or another's spectacular punch. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Since when did Junior Jones fight like Morales? Did Morales fight MAB right after Jones? Triangle logic works when similar styles are involved and when the fights Hatton within close proximity to one another.. Hatton and Mosley both had the same gameplan against Collazo and they fought him one right after the other, not like 4 years later in the case of MAB. They both used activity and some holding to beat him. Mosley just had an easier time because he's a superior fighter... Morales knocked Jones out a little over 1 year after Jones stopped Barrera. The timeline is why I use that example. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

It doesn't mean anything. Junior Jones K Barrera TFO and if it werent for his corner....he might have died. Barrera schooled Morales' ass in the third fight, and I thought he deserved the nod in all three fights. What happened when Jones fought Morales? There's really nothing else that needs be said. Triangle logic doesn't work. of course you cant read too much into it,but are you telling me you never looked at fighter B and bassed on his past fights assumed he was going to get whooped by fighter A? of course you have,everybody does, that why theyre called upsets when shit dosent work out for fighter A.

Wow, you're an idiot. Tsyzu is a power puncher in his natural weight class. It would be a disappointing performance for him if he didn't KO Judah. Mayweather was fighting Judah in his 4th weight class where his power is negligable and he's not a power puncher like Tsyzu anyway. Asking Floyd to KO Judah at welterweight is the equivalent of asking Tsyzu to outbox Judah over 12 rounds and win just about every round... Save the bullshit. You're trying to equate KT's crushing 1 punch Knockout of Judah to a usual track meet of Floyd's where he runs like he's being chased. Floyd had no trouble in stopping Mitchell.....lol who you're so high on and that should be evidence of him carrying his power to 147 if he had any. Oh and I like the way you just twist everything around to fit your agenda. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Then Floyd's worse. This is because Ricky beat Tszyu, who flattened Zab in two rounds. Zab gave Floyd a tough fight for four rounds, and certainly a tougher fight than he gave Tszyu. So by that reckoning Ricky is better than Floyd?!? Of course, this isn't true. But my point is this - we shouldnt read too much into the Collazo fights. 1 - A much different Tszyu fought Hatton than a much different Judah who fought Mayweather 2 - Collazo is a Tough SOB. A southpaw.. and Shanes was just better adopted with his quick hands and great reflexes This does not mean that Hatton sucks.. he just has a problem with certain styles

Its true that people take triangle logic too far & its stupid... but you cant use "styles make fights" as a blanket statement either,if you do its like completely ignoring a fighters skill level & that includes the ability to make adjustments in a fight. It doesn't mean anything. Junior Jones K Barrera TFO and if it werent for his corner....he might have died. Barrera schooled Morales' ass in the third fight, and I thought he deserved the nod in all three fights. What happened when Jones fought Morales? There's really nothing else that needs be said. Triangle logic doesn't work. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Its true that people take triangle logic too far & its stupid... but you cant use "styles make fights" as a blanket statement either,if you do its like completely ignoring a fighters skill level & that includes the ability to make adjustments in a fight.

Shane is far a better fighter than Hatton...Shane would KO Hatton

1 - A much different Tszyu fought Hatton than a much different Judah who fought Mayweather 2 - Collazo is a Tough SOB. A southpaw.. and Shanes was just better adopted with his quick hands and great reflexes This does not mean that Hatton sucks.. he just has a problem with certain styles

For one, Tsyzu was humiliated in the first round by Judah. In no round did Floyd look like he didn't belong in the same ring as Judah, unlike Tsyzu. lol, he knocked him the fuck out in the second round you genius. I think that's a tad bit more impressive then going the distance with Judah and getting knocked down in the process like Floyd did. Secondly, one of the scores for PBF-Judah was 119-109 and the others were almost as lopsided. That is a dominating performance. If Floyd had the same power at 147 that he did at 130, Judah would have gotten KTFO. That's because you're a nuthugger. Judah won the first 4 rounds in the fight. Third, PBF and Tsyzu have completely different styles. They each destroyed Judah in their own way. No.....KT destroyed Judah. Floyd comfortably out boxed him. Mosley and Hatton have more similar styles in that they try to win with activity and people were saying Mosley was holding just as much as Hatton does. Also, Mosley and Hatton fought Collazo back-to-back but there was 4-5 years between Judah's fights against Tsyzu and PBF and they happened at different weight classes. Collazo (unequal sign) Judah, you can't compare the two. Stop trying to be silly and turn this around. Hatton is a joke and Mosley's domination of Collazo showed how overrated Hatton is... Stop being a jackoff. Mosely's domination of Collazo has no bearing on Ricky Hatton. Styles make fights and you're going to learn that If I have to troll your dumb ass all day. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Why do people keep talking about Hattons fans? I am a fan of Hatton and would like to see him do well....that doesn`t mean I can`t see his weaknesses. From all the fights i`ve seen its obvious that Hatton is a league above anything at domestic or european level; but when it comes to the mega fights or even just big vegas style fights, he lacks the big punch and elusiveness to be the cream of the cream... He's too easy to hit and leads with his face too much when trying to get on the inside. Tzysu (sp?) was on the decline when they fought and gassed out. Collazo rocked Hatton many times, I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt though and say he was moving up weight and didn`t wasn`t given enough time to adjust... Hatton is a decent world level fighter, he's good but he lacks too many things...

For one, Tsyzu was humiliated in the first round by Judah. In no round did Floyd look like he didn't belong in the same ring as Judah, unlike Tsyzu. Secondly, one of the scores for PBF-Judah was 119-109 and the others were almost as lopsided. That is a dominating performance. If Floyd had the same power at 147 that he did at 130, Judah would have gotten KTFO. Third, PBF and Tsyzu have completely different styles. They each destroyed Judah in their own way. Mosley and Hatton have more similar styles in that they try to win with activity and people were saying Mosley was holding just as much as Hatton does. Also, Mosley and Hatton fought Collazo back-to-back but there was 4-5 years between Judah's fights against Tsyzu and PBF and they happened at different weight classes. Stop trying to be silly and turn this around. Hatton is a joke and Mosley's domination of Collazo showed how overrated Hatton is...[/QUOTE The 119-109 score was ridiculous, people were slating glen hamada for weeks after that fight. i gave mayweather 8-4 rounds, it was a clear decision but he didnt destroy judah at all. However tszyu knocked him the fuck out.

I think Shane would cause him more problems than Floyd, because of his size. Then again I've never seen Hatton really struggle with any fighter who wasn't a southpaw. I guess we'll see when he fights Castillo what he's made of. One thing I noticed is that Hatton's left hand is always very low so he gets hit a lot with right hooks when he fights southpaws. Plus when he digs that left to the body he's very open for counters.

With all that being said. I wouldn't give Hatton much of a chance vs. Shane or Floyd. Hatton is an exciting gutsy fighter. He deserves his fan base also. So Im not calling him an overhyped bum or anything.

one of the scores for PBF-Judah was 119-109 and the others were almost as lopsided. That is a dominating performance Forgive me if I'm wrong but I believe you were one of the people who was saying that Hatton didn't dominate Urango, despite being given similar scores (and not being knocked down). Regarding the initial question, while I think that if Collazo had won against Mosley he would have been more widely recognised as a genuine force at 147 lbs and therefore would give Hatton a little more credit, Hatton still beat Collazo so Shane beating him more handily really doesn't affect Hatton overly. If Collazo had beaten Hatton then it might be a different matter. But there again I also think that Collazo would have been favourite against Mosley if that had been the case.

Not overrated. He MAY be the best P4P fighter in the world. He certainly beat one who is. He probably isnt, but that is an unknown quantity until he is defeated. Until he loses a fight, there is no fighter (being realistic, at or around his weight level) who can say with 100% certainty that they definitely WOULD beat him. Its that simple. You may not like it and you may not like him, but that is a fact. Multi-weight, multi-champion, undefeated, high P4P scalp. Cant argue with them, you can debate his future credentials, but nobody can say for sure. well saying that, that means that floyd who has MULTI weight not jst the 1 he stayed at his full life and then moved up 1 to fight a champ and then move back down, is a much better fight

Its a bit of both. He deserved a bit more credit if Collazo won, he deserved a few more questions if Collazo lost convincingly (even more questions if Collazo was absolutely destroyed), but thats all. Its not like you can read anything more into it than that. Actually, I'm not trying to get down on Hatton, I actually give more credit to him because I think Collazo is the real deal, now and it wasn't that he just looked good against Hatton. Collazo showed that he was is a sharp puncher and slick boxer. Colazo just ran into a beastly retro-version of Mosley. I just didn't like the fact that some guys try to have it both ways.