Wow!! Does Oscar think he can win?

De La Hoya/Mayweather: A Fair Fight? What Happened To The Old Way? 13.02.07 - By Ernesto Morales: When I was a youngster growing up in the tough South Bronx and in the barrios of P.R., there existed an almost forgotten tradition of a fair fight. Statistically speaking, my hood, Fort Apache, Bronx, 42nd police precinct, had for many years the infamous reputation of having the highest crime rate in New York for well over a decade and, indeed, the whole nation almost as often and all on official stat list, no less. But even in this barrio, if two contestants would call each other out to a fair fight, no one, no matter of what race, origin, religion, barrio, colors, would dare violate the code. No one. Fair fight was a Man's code and respected. I personally prevented (at times with difficulty) my homies from breaking our gentleman's agreement. Whether your man won or lost and/or there were gang /barrio/race/boundary issues still pending, they would be resolved afterwards in declared rumbles and even they sometimes had rules of war that we abided by. Sure we resorted to ambushes, barrio style gorilla warfare, BUT fair fight was respected. It is important I add that those innocent bystander shootings we find common today were considered so cowardly that they just didn't happen. Now, where am I going with this? Well, let's consider the May 5th, 2007 extravaganza. Sure, it's a mega fight but is it a Mega Fair Fight? I invite you all to take a closer look. Here we have a great, physically bigger fighter vs a great smaller fighter. But it's the bigger fighter that has deliberately stacked the cards in his favor as far and as long as believably / unbelievably possible by forcing the smaller fighter to accept all the pre-fight conditions or the fight's off, cancelled or aborted like some undesired pregnancy. Isn't being bigger and getting the Lion's share of the event enough?? Apparently not. Floyd must concede to Oscar's demands of: 1-Financial arrangements 2-Pre-fight promotional demands 3-Ring size to cut his versatility. If we remember well, when Oscar fought Trinidad he also then demanded a ring size to his liking, but that time it was a demand for a larger ring or the fight was off! Needless to say, his demands were met. 4-Oscar's Pre-arranged/conditioned weight agreement where Floyd must come in at a certain weight and no lighter in an attempt (a logical attempt) of the Golden Boy to slow down the fleet footed Pretty Boy. But this fair fight doesn't stop here, there's more; 5-The gloves to be worn are also conditioned to Oscar's wants and desires. Fair Fight? Some might consider it quite the contrary or more of an un-fair affair reasonably speaking. Well then again, that may depend on whom one is rooting for, should it? Doesn't fair mean just that? No more and no less. Was it ever fair for the bigger schoolyard combatant to get his even bigger brother to help him fight his battles? Or have some one grab or hold down the faster smaller guy? Use brass knuckles? Is it right for the more popular MVP demand that the pitcher inform him of what pitches he's about to throw or the game is off. Or can a Carl Lewis demand that the opposing sprinter run with lead weights on his ankles? No? Why not? Because although it might/can be legally worked out it still doesn't sound fair. I'm not a hater. Those who know me can attest that that isn't my style. It's only my way of seeing things. I'm old school although some might consider me too Old fashioned for today's boxing modern times. But then again, my interpretation of a fair fight may be biased and un-fair on account of my upbringing and really doesn't hold water. Like I already said, it might depend on whom one has their money on or rooting for. Personally, I'd like for The Pretty Boy to get some ring dust on his behind but that would only satisfy my dream craving if it were done on even terms or in a fair fight. Do I believe that Oscar can't beat Floyd on even terms? Good question. What do you guys think? Whether you or I believe or think he can or can't IS not the issue. Does Oscar believe he can? Stop and think about it. Well, judging by his conditions and his demands, he...Oh well, you be the judge. I believe I've said enough. Thanks for take the time to read. Peace

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De La Hoya/Mayweather: A Fair Fight? What Happened To The Old Way? 13.02.07 - By Ernesto Morales: Here we have a great, physically bigger fighter vs a great smaller fighter. But it's the bigger fighter that has deliberately stacked the cards in his favor as far and as long as believably / unbelievably possible by forcing the smaller fighter to accept all the pre-fight conditions or the fight's off, cancelled or aborted like some undesired pregnancy. Isn't being bigger and getting the Lion's share of the event enough?? Apparently not. Floyd must concede to Oscar's demands of: 1-Financial arrangements 2-Pre-fight promotional demands 3-Ring size to cut his versatility. If we remember well, when Oscar fought Trinidad he also then demanded a ring size to his liking, but that time it was a demand for a larger ring or the fight was off! Needless to say, his demands were met. 4-Oscar's Pre-arranged/conditioned weight agreement where Floyd must come in at a certain weight and no lighter in an attempt (a logical attempt) of the Golden Boy to slow down the fleet footed Pretty Boy. But this fair fight doesn't stop here, there's more; 5-The gloves to be worn are also conditioned to Oscar's wants and desires. Fair Fight? Some might consider it quite the contrary or more of an un-fair affair reasonably speaking. Well then again, that may depend on whom one is rooting for, should it? Doesn't fair mean just that? No more and no less. Was it ever fair for the bigger schoolyard combatant to get his even bigger brother to help him fight his battles? Or have some one grab or hold down the faster smaller guy? Use brass knuckles? Is it right for the more popular MVP demand that the pitcher inform him of what pitches he's about to throw or the game is off. Or can a Carl Lewis demand that the opposing sprinter run with lead weights on his ankles? No? Why not? Because although it might/can be legally worked out it still doesn't sound fair. I'm not a hater. Those who know me can attest that that isn't my style. It's only my way of seeing things. I'm old school although some might consider me too Old fashioned for today's boxing modern times. But then again, my interpretation of a fair fight may be biased and un-fair on account of my upbringing and really doesn't hold water. Like I already said, it might depend on whom one has their money on or rooting for. Personally, I'd like for The Pretty Boy to get some ring dust on his behind but that would only satisfy my dream craving if it were done on even terms or in a fair fight. Do I believe that Oscar can't beat Floyd on even terms? Good question. What do you guys think? Whether you or I believe or think he can or can't IS not the issue. Does Oscar believe he can? Stop and think about it. Well, judging by his conditions and his demands, he...Oh well, you be the judge. I believe I've said enough. Thanks for take the time to read. Peace OSCAR COMPLETELY STACKED THE DECK IN HIS FAVOR AND STILL LOSE AND PEOPLE SAY PACQUAIO WIN OVER WAS MORE IMPRESSIVE...

17y ago

Williamb45

posts like some of the ones i read in this thread, make me feel for pbf. in the beginning i was fascinated by his skills and hated his guts, and i decided to just watch him fight and not listen to him. i read posts from all the ones usually hating his greed (which is the natural condition of all mankind IMO) and his "not being a fighter", and what do all this posts say today? that for his opponent it is okay to get every possible advantage at the negotiation table. imagine if it was mayweather imposing a larger ring or pillow gloves or a catchweight for oscar, we would be reading flames for pages. the word bitch would appear 100 times per page of the thread. talk of double standards I still feel that way. But I do agree with you on the double standards. But you have to admit, people hate him for a reason. I also think even if these conditions are true, even if Oscar adds another laudry list of conditions to these, he is still going to loose.

19y ago

tito_yuca

Yeah he made Tito run like a bitch the last 4 rounds...:rolleyes: hahahahaha I honestly believe Oscar beat him, but that was comedic gold right there nice one homie

19y ago

elhijoprodigo

I've said it many times Oscar is the mexican Don King.

19y ago

wmute

that's ironic, i find this your posts pathetic. do you know what's ironic? that you do not know what posts i find pathetic, because you did not read my previous posts. go back read apologize

19y ago

The_Texican

Everybody here has got to realize that the big EQUALIZER here is being a PRIME fighter, because , as we all know, there is no substitution, no pill, no shot you can take, to return you to your PRIME. Mayweather is in his prime. Oscar is passed his. Now it's a fair fight.

19y ago

Hitman932

if floyd has to come in at no less than 153 than de la hoya should have to come in no more than 160.... there has to be a standard both ways

19y ago

pbftxrs316

i dont think one is better or worse than the other. I am quite sure mayweather would do the same if he was the draw. pro boxing is a business. oscar has more charisma than floyd for sure. I just find those posts pathetic.that's ironic, i find this your posts pathetic.

19y ago

pbftxrs316

If Mayweather had anywhere near the bargaining power and name recognition that he claims to have, he could have things his way; however, in reality, he doesn't. So, he will go along with anything DLH demands. This is Oscar's idea of "ambushes, barrio style guerrilla warfare." I am sure that given your druthers that you would like the "rumble" on your own turf. That is all Oscar is doing. This is not an unfair fight. All this does is give PBF an excuse should he happen to lose, which I don't think he will, even though I would like to see it happen.yeah, in other words, it's oscar being a little bitch and trying to win before the fight even starts. these conditions that people on here claim to be false are not false. floyd has to wear reyes gloves. he has to move to 154. i don't know about weighing 153 the night of the fight, but i believe it is true as well. he has to fight in a smaller ring. he couldn't fight shane in february if he wanted to face oscar now(showing that oscar didn't want to big fighters losing back to back to boxing's pretty boy). i mean, with all of this, it really doesn't matter to floyd i'm sure as he has wanted this fight for years. now, he's getting it and he will defeat oscar, no doubt about it. and, yes, he is the favorite to win, but i'm willing to bet that the only reason he is th efavorite to win is because if oscar does beat floyd in contoverisal decison i'm sure, it will make oscar look like a god. and, all of these conditions will not come in to play if oscar wins. if oscar lost to floyd with a bigger ring and floyd wearing any gloves he wanted to, then i'm also sure that many criticism would come floyd's way.

19y ago

Sinisterevo

good k on your way ........lol

19y ago

wmute

do u really think oscar will call off the fight if PBF is 1 or 2 pounds lighter at weigh in??? how big a bitch would he look like..... lol you are right he probably has some financial clauses attached to that (ie. a certain amount of cash goes from floyd's purse to oscar's purse for every pound) given pbf's love for ca$h, this will work too

19y ago

guru

do u really think oscar will call off the fight if PBF is 1 or 2 pounds lighter at weigh in??? how big a bitch would he look like.....

19y ago

wmute

Whoever wins or loses...people are going to complain either way, the ring was too small..he's a bitch for running...it wasn't a fair fight...he broke his hand in training...hes a bitch for getting in the ring with another world-class opponent... Why cant we just hope for a good competive match. good k on your way

19y ago

Sinisterevo

19y ago

_Mr_Soprano

All I can say... Whoever pays, he, is who orders the music. In other words.. DLH gets to call his shots as he is the paying customer. Stop bitching..

19y ago

cortdawg25

I'll see what I can find, but Oscar is getting the lion's share which we all know. And Floyd has stated that he must wear Reyes' gloves which are puncher's glove, which we all know. I'll see what I can find about the ring size... I couldn't find anything on the ring size so that might not be true. Ima have somebody ask Floyd.

19y ago

cortdawg25

NO HES TRYING NOT TO GET A FLOYD WIT A 10 SPEED IN THE RING THATS WHY HES MAKING IT SMALLER AND WHO CARES IF HE DOES IT DELAHOYAS TURN TO CALL THE SHOTS........WITH OTHER FIGHTERS FLOYD CAN PICK WHO HE WILL FIGHT AND HOW AND HOW BIG A RING ETC...........................BUT WIT DELAHOYA HES THE MAIN NAME HERE SO EVERTHING IS COMING BACK AROUND TO HIM...............CAN ALWAYS HAVE YOUR WAY:owned: It's always Oscar turn to call the shots...what are you saying? And i don't recall Floyd ever changing the ring size or telling a fighter which gloves to wear, but he did make Corrales fight him at 130. Oscar is acting weak and he knows he needs all the advatanges he can get and some divine intervention to get a W on May 5th. Ima tryna tell you, he never wanted to fight in the 1st place!!

19y ago

wmute

Yeah, I definetely agree with you on this but Mayweather doesn't take it to this degree. All he cares about is the money. I doubt he's going to specify which gloves they wear, how big the ring is, etc. Oscar is worse than Floyd as far as greed and power are concerned, the only difference is he doesn't talk all the shit that Floyd does... i dont think one is better or worse than the other. I am quite sure mayweather would do the same if he was the draw. pro boxing is a business. oscar has more charisma than floyd for sure. I just find those posts pathetic.

19y ago

wmute

19y ago

wmute

reminds me of hagler-leonard. hated leonard for imposing his bargaining power once more. hated hagler even more for accepting out of greed and self confidence. let's see how this one plays out. in hagler-leonard the guy imposing his conditions was also younger and the smarter fighter in the ring. this time it is the opposite way, the guy imposing the conditions is the bigger, older fighter.

19y ago