Greb cant beat hagler

The reason he and anyone else backs out of an arguement with you is because you're apparently thicker than a Yorkshire pudding. You provide no facts to back up anything you say and when confronting acknowledged truths from other posters, you counter with unsubstantiated opinions which are your own....plus the mysteries "lots of other people". Just about every passionate fan on here enjoys a good intelligent debate and arguement......you just haven't been able to provide one yet. Instead you come off as a kid who is telling why his dad can beat up ours, etc., etc. You think robinson, greb, monzon would all beat hagler. Hell u even said winky would beat him. Let me guess, its cuz he lost a highly disputed split decision to one of the best ever. Last time i checked, leonard, duran and hearns were better than the smaller guys that monzon fought. Monzon beat rodrigo valdez by like 1 fuckin point and then retired as soon as he found out hagler was next in line for a title shot. Hagler was 35 years old when he lost the split decision to leonard, go figure.

Dude i wouldnt brag ok, whenever someone backs me up in an arguement, you leave immediately. The reason he and anyone else backs out of an arguement with you is because you're apparently thicker than a Yorkshire pudding. You provide no facts to back up anything you say and when confronting acknowledged truths from other posters, you counter with unsubstantiated opinions which are your own....plus the mysteries "lots of other people". Just about every passionate fan on here enjoys a good intelligent debate and arguement......you just haven't been able to provide one yet. Instead you come off as a kid who is telling why his dad can beat up ours, etc., etc.

Man you really just don't understand the concept of an argument. How old are you pimp? I'm just praying you're still in HS. Dude i wouldnt brag ok, whenever someone backs me up in an arguement, you leave immediately.

Joe Louis lost to the two best fighters he ever fought. On top of that his big wins are schmeling and walcott, he got ko'd by schmeling before and he had to rely on a gift to beat walcott the first time. Haha, ali easily surpassed him, its not even close. let it go son...louis was a formidable fighter..the best of the heavys in my opinion..where do you come off ridiculing greats like louis, greb and dempsey ?

Man you really just don't understand the concept of an argument. How old are you pimp? I'm just praying you're still in HS.

I could post a video (if I could find it, I remember seeing it on ESPN classic of him training for what was the 2nd Schmeling fight I believe) of Joe Louis getting tagged over and over again so that his headgear is knocked over his eyes in sparring. Imagine if that was the only video we had of Louis. What if the only surviving footage of Tyson was of him getting floored by Greg Page in that sparring session, or of Ali allowing his sparring partners to dig their best shots to his body while he covered up and did nothing but play a heavybag? Think before you post. Joe Louis lost to the two best fighters he ever fought. On top of that his big wins are schmeling and walcott, he got ko'd by schmeling before and he had to rely on a gift to beat walcott the first time. Haha, ali easily surpassed him, its not even close.

I could post a video (if I could find it, I remember seeing it on ESPN classic of him training for what was the 2nd Schmeling fight I believe) of Joe Louis getting tagged over and over again so that his headgear is knocked over his eyes in sparring. Imagine if that was the only video we had of Louis. What if the only surviving footage of Tyson was of him getting floored by Greg Page in that sparring session, or of Ali allowing his sparring partners to dig their best shots to his body while he covered up and did nothing but play a heavybag? Think before you post.

Greb looks like shit when he's punching bags, he looks like shit when he's shadow boxing and he looks like shit when he is doing full contact sparring. Kid will just make an excuse so his boy doesnt look bad, greb is garbage. How do you breathe with your head that far up your own anus? :thinking: Can you not see the man is goofing around?

Greb looks like shit when he's punching bags, he looks like shit when he's shadow boxing and he looks like shit when he is doing full contact sparring. Kid will just make an excuse so his boy doesnt look bad, greb is garbage.

Walker was one in a million. There's no one like that around in boxing these days. You know, the personalities of today's fighters put me to sleep to be honest. Then again, so do their fights.

Guys that's a clip of him fooling around shadowboxing. Means shit. Greb didn't even train or shadowbox seriously that much, he mostly sparred and fought endlessly. From what I've heard he barely even hit bags, just other people. Also to say Greb stylistically loses to Hagler is a joke. Show me footage of him fighting a pro bout and then talk about his style. I dunno how the fight would go between these two rugged middleweights with iron chins, but they were both great. Greb of course has the better resume and was a better P4P fighter (beating quality heavier men on a consistent basis). too lazy to look thru the 17 pages to see if this was posted but http://www.harrygreb.com/greb_sparring.mov he looks horrible sparring too.. against "hall of fame heavyweight"

Wow! reminds me of the street fight between rocky balboa and tommy gunn on the night tommy won the championship by beating a paper champ. Maybe this is the legend that inspired stallone for rocky v. How the hell did he pull that one out? simply amazing and a stuff of a legend Good thing scarface wasn't bringing a baseball bat and his henchmen must be out somewhere or walker could have been a dead meat. A big spender even in today's standard.With most heroes, it's sometimes difficult to separate legends from myths pal. But with Walker, everything about him is not that hard to believe! The guy is simply one of a kind even in the prohibition era of so many characters!

Hi buddy! Here's a li'l trivia to help get you started on Walker, pal: ;) There's a story that went the rounds about the time Harry Greb and Mickey Walker fought. The contest was reportedly such a thrilling affair that fans were divided over who really won. After the fight, Greb entered a bar and found Walker there. They first struck a friendly conversation but soon argued about who really won. The argument became so heated that they stepped out of the bar and resumed fighting out on the street! The bar's patrons followed them carrying chairs and watched the free entertainment. :D Wow! reminds me of the street fight between rocky balboa and tommy gunn on the night tommy won the championship by beating a paper champ. Maybe this is the legend that inspired stallone for rocky v. Hi buddy! Walker did two things best: delivering a left hook and drinking. Sportswriters usually talk about fighters staggering out of the ring; Walker often staggered INTO the ring. Facing the 6'3 Paul Swiderski who weighed some 220 lbs., the 5'7 and middleweight Walker, could have been arrested as a common drunk! In the first round of that fight Walker hit the floor so often, the ref did not bother rising from a kneeling position for most of the round. He knew Walker will be visiting the canvass again... In one of the times that Walker was floored, his manager, Doc Kearns, pulled the plug and sent the venue into darkness. When the lights went back on, Walker was already sober. It was not too long afterwards that Swiderski was out of there. How the hell did he pull that one out? simply amazing and a stuff of a legend But the most remarkable story I have heard about the Toy Bulldog was about one time, Walker raised a fist to punch the mobster Al Capone. A friend stepped between them and took Walker for a walk. Walker told the friend, " You just saved his puss." The friend replied, "I just saved your life." Good thing scarface wasn't bringing a baseball bat and his henchmen must be out somewhere or walker could have been a dead meat. Walker spent the sum of US$500,000.00 in the course of one trip to Paris. The amount is huge now, it was even bigger then. Walker stopped drinking cold turkey as WWII broke out, and then took up painting.A big spender even in today's standard.

Thanks for the information grayfist. I've heard about the streetfight between Walker and Greb of course, but the Al Capone story was new to me. Hi Kid...! The little I know of Walker is basically what I read from a book on his life titled "The Toy Bulldog and His Times" some years ago. I can't remember the author. Anyway, I recall also reading that Walker married 7 times (Liz Taylor, eat your heart! And, J-Lo, too!), and was thrown out of so many hotels throughout the world. He palled around with Charlie Chaplain and Douglas Fairbanks-- the young ones here may not recognize those names but those were marque names out of Hollywood, and Chaplain was and is still often referred to as a genius. He was "The Tramp" in those silent movies. He wrote that lovely song, "Smile" (ie., "Smile...though your heart is aching; Smile, even though it's breaking. When there are clouds in the sky, you'll get by; If you smile through your fears and sorrows...) I don't know when Walker and Capone became friends. I think it was after the incident described. Capone may have appreciated Walker's guts. Walker took up painting after taking in a film about Guaguin. His work was displayed by many galleries and was featured in special shows but many art critics were not convinced of his talent. One said, Walker should have taken off his gloves before he painted. Although he was a lot smaller than Schmeling and gave up 25 pounds, there were many who thought he could have defeated the German had he spent more time in the gym than in the golf course. He carried his own clubs while his caddy lugged around the bottles. In his worst holes, he was said to have downed three bottles. It seems they kept score on the bottles consumed, and not on the game. I can't say I blame them. Those are the more interesting statistics. They just don't build 'em like the used to anymore, pal. ;) :D

Thanks for the information grayfist. I've heard about the streetfight between Walker and Greb of course, but the Al Capone story was new to me. Walker was also an avid Golfer said to Drag Doc Kearns to courses around the Country. He became an accomplished painter after his career having work on display in museums in New York and London. To realize how go Walker was he started at Welterweight before later fighting Heavyweights. Imagine Quartey of someone taking on Heavyweights.Walker also would have been a Light Heavy champ had his win over Maxie Rosenbloom not been a non title fight. Walker suffered from Parkinsons disease much like Ali finally dying from it in 1981.

Thanks for the information grayfist. I've heard about the streetfight between Walker and Greb of course, but the Al Capone story was new to me.

Fast and fluid in his movements, regardless of what you think about his style. However he may look to you in that clip, he beat a fuckload of all time greats, many of them bigger than himself. In my opinion, his resume is right up there with Armstrong, Robinson, and Pep.

Just got back pal. My first time to hear about walker. I say that guy got the bisggest balls of them all. Will research on him in the net and find out his life story. Agan, thanks buddy. Hi buddy! Here's a li'l trivia to help get you started on Walker, pal: ;) There's a story that went the rounds about the time Harry Greb and Mickey Walker fought. The contest was reportedly such a thrilling affair that fans were divided over who really won. After the fight, Greb entered a bar and found Walker there. They first struck a friendly conversation but soon argued about who really won. The argument became so heated that they stepped out of the bar and resumed fighting out on the street! The bar's patrons followed them carrying chairs and watched the free entertainment. :D Walker did two things best: delivering a left hook and drinking. Sportswriters usually talk about fighters staggering out of the ring; Walker often staggered INTO the ring. Facing the 6'3 Paul Swiderski who weighed some 220 lbs., the 5'7 and middleweight Walker, could have been arrested as a common drunk! In the first round of that fight Walker hit the floor so often, the ref did not bother rising from a kneeling position for most of the round. He knew Walker will be visiting the canvass again... In one of the times that Walker was floored, his manager, Doc Kearns, pulled the plug and sent the venue into darkness. When the lights went back on, Walker was already sober. It was not too long afterwards that Swiderski was out of there. But the most remarkable story I have heard about the Toy Bulldog was about one time, Walker raised a fist to punch the mobster Al Capone. A friend stepped between them and took Walker for a walk. Walker told the friend, " You just saved his puss." The friend replied, "I just saved your life." Walker spent the sum of US$500,000.00 in the course of one trip to Paris. The amount is huge now, it was even bigger then. Walker stopped drinking cold turkey as WWII broke out, and then took up painting.

Lol, WTF. He looks pretty fast, there.

The Toy Bulldog as Walker was called also fought a draw against Jack Sharkey when Sharkey was still in his prime. This says alot about Walker and his toughness.Thanks buddy. He had a draw with sharkey and sharkey went 1-1 with schmeling. That toy bulldog must be one tough SOB.