Roach Trapped Now, Deal With Golden Boy Was Deliver Manny, Become Oscar's Trainer; Arum, Pacman Steaming Off To See Wynn In Macau
Michael Marley
12/27/2006
Now it can be told...
With Manny Pacquiao seemingly set to announce in Manila Thursday that he is going to be promoted exclusively by Bob Arum's Top Rank, the fallout from the decision was reverberating throughout the boxing world, from Manila to Manhattan to Macau. Hey, I'm so glad you mentioned Macau as you will soon see.
* Informed sources have told me that the agreement between Golden Boy Promotions and Freddie Roach was that if Pacman's trainer delivered Pacman to GBP, he would be named the new trainer of Oscar de la Hoya and thus would've been in Oscar's corner against Floyd Mayweather Jr. on May 5. Had the deal gone through as planned, Roach would have also picked up a sizable amount of cash.
* Bob Arum and his man on the scene in General Santos City, agent Michael Koncz, have told Pacman to let his managerial deal with Shelly Finkel expire on schedule Jan. 31. They have told Pacman he should keep the managerial share in the Pacman pocket.
* Pacman lawyer Jeng Gacal, who was there when Manny signed both the GBP and Top Rank contracts, is firmly in agent Koncz's pocket. If Koncz says jump, Gacal only asks one question, how high?
* Arum's immediate plans are to feather his own nest with bosom buddy Steve Wynn, whose Macau hotel-casino is printing money. Pacquaio's next title defense is sure to be held at Wynn's property and, as far as an opponent, a Top Rank insider told me, echoing Arum's famous cry, who cares? One wiseacre said they might bill it as Pacman vs. Someman and they will still sell out and attract all the "whales" (high rollers) of the Asian gaming circuit. Wynn will be the host, whether in Vegas or Macau, for all of Pacman's fights.
No credible source to speak of. This is just an Internet-joe posting his version. End of story.
sorry to be off topic but damn I keep on coming back to see your post coz of that girl on your sig.who is she?
Just out of curiosity, what's Roach's current list of clients other than?
James Toney
Manny Pacquaio
I know he's trained in the past:
Virgil Hill
Stevie Collins
Frankie Liles
Mike Tyson
Any other big names in the past/present/future (DLH)?
He's got Vicente Escebedo, Juan Lazcano, James Toney, Rey "Boom Boom" Bautista, Israel Vazquez, among others...
why the fuck is the best trainer in the world manny steward gettin so disrespected in this thread by all you fuckin bum armchair fans
Thats Exactly what I was thinking when I was reading these post from the begining, Manny steward has to be one of the best Trainers Ever! he's trained so many good fighters. the funny thing is that I feal like he dont even respect the lower weight divisions, He's more about the heavyweights and Middleweights. The way I look at it, is that some of you guys either dont know boxing or really like Roach, which happens do be a great trainer himself.
Just out of curiosity, what's Roach's current list of clients other than?
James Toney
Manny Pacquaio
I know he's trained in the past:
Virgil Hill
Stevie Collins
Frankie Liles
Mike Tyson
Any other big names in the past/present/future (DLH)?
its a no brainer for manny, if he wants to fight the best opponents out there, SIGN WITH GBP!!!! he can fight barrera for his WBC belt, rematch marquez, fight guzman, and even move up to 135lbs to fight chavez for his IBF belt if he wants too, all roads lead to GBP!! why woul he sign with bob arum and top rank?? it dont make no sense??
Pacman and Roach are working verry verry well together, so why change the trainer? I think its to riskfull, Steward is not fpr Pacman!! But i think they wont change the trainer anyway.
What if Pacquiao doesn't want the big fights? What if hes bitching out on the rematch with Marquez and the Barrera? I don't know this shit is way to fishy, there is no incentive to go with Arum! I think Pac is running..maybe he wants to take it slow now and fight easy opponents so he can continue to look good... I wouldn't see why though if hes at his best right now. I wonder whats going through his head... either hes scared or hes stupid or someone is forcing him.
This theory is the most far-fetched I could imagine.
It doesn't have to do a bit with being scared. If he was scared, he would not be seeking a rematch with Morales when he was clearly beaten in the first fight.
He even admitted in an interview that of all credible opponents, he wants Barrera next.
It's got to do something with money on the table and his tendency to sign up with who he's currently talking to.
If I knew that I could get between two people; like divorced parents, who hated each other - it would be easy smeezy to play them against each other... Maybe Paq will get a knew Lamborghini out of this...
What if Pacquiao doesn't want the big fights? What if hes bitching out on the rematch with Marquez and the Barrera? I don't know this shit is way to fishy, there is no incentive to go with Arum! I think Pac is running..maybe he wants to take it slow now and fight easy opponents so he can continue to look good... I wouldn't see why though if hes at his best right now. I wonder whats going through his head... either hes scared or hes stupid or someone is forcing him.
When has Steward ever trained a guy that low in weight? It doesnt know what it takes. U dont clinch in the lower classes unless ur hurt.
Steward is gonna take all the excitement and drama right out of pacquioas style. Hes taking away from one of the boxings biggest draws!!!
that would be the worst decision of the last few years!
Roach has done a superb job with Pacquioa, pacquioa is what made Roach big. Why would ever leave the guy that created you. thats unloyal and thats dishonest. If roach leaves i lose all respect for what he has accomplished.
Still not really clear as to whats happening, but we will know after december 28th???
That would be a very bad decision if Pacquiao makes Steward his trainer. He's been learning alot from Roach in the last year and with Steward he won't learn a damn thing and will probably go back to his old straight left only style.
to be honest I think steward would do well with pacman...steward knows pacmans style and knows what is useful he wont change it up he knows pacmans style well...and he also knows what to do in the ring...and the pacman listens to his trainer.
but the problem is like Eazy_mas said it has to do with chemistry...
That would be a very bad decision if Pacquiao makes Steward his trainer. He's been learning alot from Roach in the last year and with Steward he won't learn a damn thing and will probably go back to his old straight left only style.
I agree. The ironic thing is that Steward is Pacquiao's biggest critic and you would think that Pac would improve under Emmanuel. On the other hand, I have never seen Jermaine Taylor look so bad since he has been under Steward.
With regards to the original post, I just don't buy the article.
Looks like Emmanuel Steward may be a good option as new trainer for pacquiao...
I hope this is not true!!!
That would be a very bad decision if Pacquiao makes Steward his trainer. He's been learning alot from Roach in the last year and with Steward he won't learn a damn thing and will probably go back to his old straight left only style.
you dont have to be a world class trainer to have a good boxer.
it have to have some relationship because not all trainer are good for all boxer some trainers are better for this boxer than they are with other boxer.
Steward is a good trainer and the proof is cintron and wlad but thos guys have the style and size that is suitable for Steward as well as Hearns and many other fighters. but there are couple of fighter gone bad like Nassem Hamed.
Winky trainer is not a world class trainer but he there is chemsity between them since he trained Winky since he was young as well Hopkins and Roy Jones.
and to the point about Freddie roach taking pac to GBP is something bizzare because he didnt care when DHL came to see pac when he was training for Morales. and i dont think the Roach is sutiable for DHL as well as DHL partly need Mayweather Sr to build up the fight's hype so it would make the fight more worth it