**Did ODLH fake it against BHop...?**

The theory that DLH took a dive to get Hopkins in with GBP holds water ONLY because the shot didn't look that devestating and then after the fight DLH ditches Arum for good and signs Hopkins. Does no one believe in conincidences anymore? Win or lose the partnership was going to happen. If DLH would have won, there would have been a very lucrative rematch for GBP. If anything, that would have been better for DLH and Hopkins financially than what actually went down. People act like this was some huge conspiracy like Ali-Liston II. It isn't like Hopkins was a box office megastar at the time...he squandered away all the momentum from Tito fight when the Jones rematch fell apart, and what exactly did Hopkins have on the horizon that would be worth DLH TAKING A DIVE and potentially ruining his ENTIRE CAREER? Jones had already been KO'd by Tarver, so forget about that. Taylor was still beating up on the ghosts of Marquez and Joppy. Hopkins would have had to go to England for a Calzaghe fight, where Frank Warren would be raking in the majority of the cash. Trinidad was the only big name out there to fight, and with DK involved, that would have been a very difficult fight to make AND GBP obviously would have to co-promote. A DLH win would have made so much more sense, because then there could be the rematch, a GBP exclusive event, and then maybe even a trilogy. I'm NOT saying this was realistic, I'm just saying that THAT is the kind of domino effect a huge conspiracy would trigger, not a ho-hum fight vs. Howard Eastman (!) on HBO WCB followed by a PPV fight with the green Taylor. So, don't just look at the punch and make up stuff. Think about what happened after and all the things that would have made it better. Getting Pac would have been absolutely huge, and I buy the Roach-training-Oscar-for-Pac's signature theory a lot more than this one, because GBP can give Pac megafight after megafight. With Hopkins, that just wasn't the case. Getting Pac would have been absolutely huge, and I buy the Roach-training-Oscar-for-Pac's signature theory a lot more than this one, because GBP can give Pac megafight after megafight. With Hopkins, that just wasn't the case. That's a fact Jack...also!!!

The theory that DLH took a dive to get Hopkins in with GBP holds water ONLY because the shot didn't look that devestating and then after the fight DLH ditches Arum for good and signs Hopkins. Does no one believe in conincidences anymore? Win or lose the partnership was going to happen. If DLH would have won, there would have been a very lucrative rematch for GBP. If anything, that would have been better for DLH and Hopkins financially than what actually went down. People act like this was some huge conspiracy like Ali-Liston II. It isn't like Hopkins was a box office megastar at the time...he squandered away all the momentum from Tito fight when the Jones rematch fell apart, and what exactly did Hopkins have on the horizon that would be worth DLH TAKING A DIVE and potentially ruining his ENTIRE CAREER? Jones had already been KO'd by Tarver, so forget about that. Taylor was still beating up on the ghosts of Marquez and Joppy. Hopkins would have had to go to England for a Calzaghe fight, where Frank Warren would be raking in the majority of the cash. Trinidad was the only big name out there to fight, and with DK involved, that would have been a very difficult fight to make AND GBP obviously would have to co-promote. A DLH win would have made so much more sense, because then there could be the rematch, a GBP exclusive event, and then maybe even a trilogy. I'm NOT saying this was realistic, I'm just saying that THAT is the kind of domino effect a huge conspiracy would trigger, not a ho-hum fight vs. Howard Eastman (!) on HBO WCB followed by a PPV fight with the green Taylor. So, don't just look at the punch and make up stuff. Think about what happened after and all the things that would have made it better. Getting Pac would have been absolutely huge, and I buy the Roach-training-Oscar-for-Pac's signature theory a lot more than this one, because GBP can give Pac megafight after megafight. With Hopkins, that just wasn't the case.

Yes he did buddy, Oscar knew he had no chance to win, so why prolong the agony? He collected good money and it's not a shame to lose that way to the longest reigning middle weight champ. Hopkins could have KAYOED him if the fight went on. Yeap...it did....and furhter up...the friendship between BHop and ODLH started before the Tito fight, were ODLH wanted to help BHop beat Tito and beat him bad....that's were the friendship and the talks of future partnership started...

i wonder myself if it was fixed just for the bad acting job and bhops going into the 9th saying "this is my round" lmao that kinda makes the whole thing look set up It does sound like he is saying "this is my round" but the HBO team were saying he was asking if he won the previous round. And when the last round begins someone is screaming "body shot" like 5 times...maybe he knew when the dive was going to take place lol

Not a doubt in my mind he faked it. I also think Hopkins carried him for the first 4 rounds instead of just outclassing him like he could have. I know you and I have agreed on this topic in the past. Yes, DLH faked it and yes BHOP carried him for half the fight. Hops could have taken him out so much earlier.

listen to what hopkins says to bouie between rounds 8 and 9 he says bouie wink wink this is our round bouie stops then plays it off well...then hopkins hits him in the body and couple weeks later B-hop and ODLH join together in GB.

I've wondered this as well and am on the fence. I know Oscar is a proud warrior who has never quit anytime before then, but THEN... I saw this fight not too long ago that was on a big fight undercard (fuck I cant remember someone help me out) and this dude was dropped by a body shot exactly how Oscar was...and his reaction was strikingly similar to Oscar's. Made me wonder. Oscar got hit with a well placed liver shot by a bigger, stronger guy. THIS is a prime example of what a body shot can do to somebody...

It was a 50/50 to me It hurt him bu not enough to ko him but I guess he felt like he didn't wanna get hit again with the same shot or something ...50/50

DelaHoya a counten sous....love the color commentar the German Larry Merchant.... the punch was short compact but the way he flet it almost doesn't look real....

He didn't fake it, DLH has fought twice at 160, two loses imo, he's not the same fighter at 160.

i wonder myself if it was fixed just for the bad acting job and bhops going into the 9th saying "this is my round" lmao that kinda makes the whole thing look set up

That's exactly right! that's why I knew right from the start that DLH ripped us off. Dammit, aside from your point he was up on his feet after a minute or two moving around the ring smilling, hugging and shaking hands. I'm a DLH fan, but shit after watching that fight maybe 20 times I just can see the solid hit. That two punches thrown both gazed DLH's elbow and arm. Grazing is not a factor, as there are tons of cases of grazed KO punches. One very recent example is Klitschko-Brock. That had a very heavy shoullder-graze but still enough force for the KO.

Hard to know why he fake it…but it look suspicious all the way, in fact the entire fight pace seems choreography in may ways, I am not saying it was but the flow was very odd…I will suggest to many of you guys that have the fight to watch it all over again, and let me know if you agree that the pace seems odd…anyway, ODLH quitted against Tito also, he back pedal with out throwing a legit punch for 3 rounds…so we have precedent….it look funny from the get go to me….

He faked it. He doesn't have true Mexican blood running through his veins.

Why would he fake it? Oscar faked to give Hopkins the pleasure of thinking he whooped him. Who knows.

Exactly, no reason in the world for DLH to lose face... He didn't lose face by ending it that way, if he faked it. It was Hopkins! No face lost.

Why would he fake it? Exactly, no reason in the world for DLH to lose face...

Why would he fake it?

I've seen fighters get KO'd with that same shot with the same reaction on ESPN FNF. They are down for a good 30sec-1min depending on how hard their liver was hit. They CAN'T get up even if they tried the pain is too great.