** Would you say that PBF is a top 50 ATG?**

i agree with you here. he is boxing most powerful guy with Don King Arum losing publicity and many of the new fighters he promotes them. As well as i think Floyd could get robbed in his next fight i dont know. the Sweet Pea fight he knew he was going to win even before the fight when he qutoed in the news that they are going to let him win because he is younger and makes more money. so genral DHL is politicas and a business man too. Therefore a true hypocrit...after the Tito fight and his comments....the point is that he got beaten by Tito and his urged to run....

Although Oscar has a great resume with stars combined, he has only done it to generate money. I think if all the stars he has fought would not have generated money, then he would not have fought them. I just see Oscar has a money hungry business man/good boxer and not a warrior of someone like SRL. i agree with you here. he is boxing most powerful guy with Don King Arum losing publicity and many of the new fighters he promotes them. As well as i think Floyd could get robbed in his next fight i dont know. the Sweet Pea fight he knew he was going to win even before the fight when he qutoed in the news that they are going to let him win because he is younger and makes more money. so genral DHL is politicas and a business man too.

At first i automaticly almost instinctivly thought yes because he is so dominant. But Upon further thinking i realise that he dominated some lets call them "Questionable oponeants" I dont beleace if he retired today that he would be a top 50 atg. If he goes on and continues then maybe. I Think that he needs to beat ODH Cotto, Mosley and maybe some other future stars. Id like too see him go back sown in weight as its obviouse he cant fight at this weight as well as he could at lower weights so id say he should trim down to lightweight. Fight some good guys down there and then retire. I think if he retires today he will be nothin more than a curiosity in boxing history.

Although Oscar has a great resume with stars combined, he has only done it to generate money. I think if all the stars he has fought would not have generated money, then he would not have fought them. I just see Oscar has a money hungry business man/good boxer and not a warrior of someone like SRL. ODLH resume is full of smaller opponents for the first 3 years of his career all he fought was far smaller opponent, dehyddarting to make weight and rehydrated at fight time....I was never impresses, plus he got a gift against Sweet Pea and Sturm to name a few....

Although Oscar has a great resume with stars combined, he has only done it to generate money. I think if all the stars he has fought would not have generated money, then he would not have fought them. I just see Oscar has a money hungry business man/good boxer and not a warrior of someone like SRL.

he's the greatest Puerto Rican of all times, better then Wilfredo Gomez even. And DLH is highly overrated in my opinion. Still great, but overrated. Idk who would be considered better, but DLH definetly has the more credible record Tito';s resume is comparable to ODLH anyday!!! and yes ODLH highly overated ......

Trinidad > DLH LOL That's a joke he's the greatest Puerto Rican of all times, better then Wilfredo Gomez even. And DLH is highly overrated in my opinion. Still great, but overrated. Idk who would be considered better, but DLH definetly has the more credible record

Trinidad > DLH LOL That's a joke Really , let see a refutal...everyone that ODLH beat Tito beat him first...and more convisingly....head to head Tito won.....both lost to BHop, which BTW clearly shoed Tito cojones compare to ODLH by taking the drop so he would get hurt...against BHop......

ODLH is ATG top 90 , he has his legacy already stablish, even though losing to Tito in the biggest fight of his life will put him below Tito on any list...IMO..His legacy will not be attached to what he does with PBF...SIMPLY SOLIDIFY HIS CURRENT STATUS... Trinidad > DLH LOL That's a joke

And what if DLH beats him.. where would that place DLH? ODLH is ATG top 90 , he has his legacy already stablish, even though losing to Tito in the biggest fight of his life will put him below Tito on any list...IMO..His legacy will not be attached to what he does with PBF...SIMPLY SOLIDIFY HIS CURRENT STATUS...

Beating ODLH will not do anything for his ATG status, IMO!!! And what if DLH beats him.. where would that place DLH?

I agree with you. I am trying to sound too eloquent or something, on top of being very tired. ;) To finish my thought, or perhaps, to confuse myself even more ... I do not believe that he is in the top 50. If he stayed at the lower weights and totally cleaned out the division(s), instead of moving up (not that I blame him), I believe that it would be pretty hard to debate him being one of the best. Regards and nighty night, although it is 11 AM. o_O If PBF would ahve cleaned all the division and stayed at 140 and clean the same at 147, he would be on his way to be a top 50 ATG, but going for the money, and his self proclaimed greatness is not going to buy him any voted, at least not from me, he'll be a HOF but that;s it....IMO big difference between HOF and ATG

IMO talent, skils and reflexes has nothing to do if you are an ATG or not......is what you have accomplished inside the ropes that count...not in the gym I agree with you. I am trying to sound too eloquent or something, on top of being very tired. ;) To finish my thought, or perhaps, to confuse myself even more ... I do not believe that he is in the top 50. If he stayed at the lower weights and totally cleaned out the division(s), instead of moving up (not that I blame him), I believe that it would be pretty hard to debate him being one of the best. Regards and nighty night, although it is 11 AM. o_O

Talent, skill and reflex wise, I believe he is. I just wish he would have taken on all comers a bit more in the recent years. Although he is definitely fighting above his opimum weight. I always had the idea that even if he would have taken a few lesser purses, he more than likely would have beaten all those names or no names. In the long run I imagined that would have netted him more money. I could quite easily be wrong though, as my mind and imagination take me to some wild places sometimes. :p IMO talent, skils and reflexes has nothing to do if you are an ATG or not......is what you have accomplished inside the ropes that count...not in the gym

Talent, skill and reflex wise, I believe he is. I just wish he would have taken on all comers a bit more in the recent years. Although he is definitely fighting above his opimum weight. I always had the idea that even if he would have taken a few lesser purses, he more than likely would have beaten all those names or no names. In the long run I imagined that would have netted him more money. I could quite easily be wrong though, as my mind and imagination take me to some wild places sometimes. :p

if he beats DLH and doesn't retire and goes on to beat the guys kfootball15 mentioned then he'll be a top 50 ATG Beating ODLH will not do anything for his ATG status, IMO!!!

if he beats DLH and doesn't retire and goes on to beat the guys kfootball15 mentioned then he'll be a top 50 ATG

Talent wise i would think it would be arguable... But he certainly hasnt fought the opposition to prove he deserves to be anywhere in the top 50. And if he sticks to his words of retiring after DLH, then no, no he wont ever be top 50. If goes on to beat Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, and possibly Williams, the I would think he could make, depending on how he beats these guys. Like if he struggles with all these guys, the prolly not. But if he takes out a couple of them in round 1, then hell yea. lol Very refreshing reading someone that actually knows what they are talking about...Kudo!!!!

Id say yeah

Talent wise i would think it would be arguable... But he certainly hasnt fought the opposition to prove he deserves to be anywhere in the top 50. And if he sticks to his words of retiring after DLH, then no, no he wont ever be top 50. If goes on to beat Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, and possibly Williams, the I would think he could make, depending on how he beats these guys. Like if he struggles with all these guys, the prolly not. But if he takes out a couple of them in round 1, then hell yea. lol