Best fighter to come out of The UK ...please help...!Isle of Man also

oh yeah has there ever been a manx fighter then.

He was born in the UK, in Cornwall. you muther freakers know your shit.. yeah cornwall is part of the 6 celtic nations but is in England:luvbed:

By their own estimation, BoxRec has only about 5% of the fights from history up on their site, and note that they also put that disclaimer on the bottom of most of those old-time records saying something along the lines of "may be incomplete or inaccurate". Please don't take those 0-0 records so literally or factually, because the simple truth is that their records are unknown. Even Wilde's record on tyhat site is largely incomplete if you were to go by his & his manager's claim of him having 854 pro fights, and that's from a fighter who's very well known throughout history and has been studied extensively...The urge to research some of these "unknown" small guys isn't a prioriety to many or anybody, so odds are nobody's going to be pouring over the newspapers trying to find an accurate record for them. i understand what your saying about the 0-0 records and i suppose with the older fighters there is alot lost in time. as in they could have been some good fighters on his resume whose records just have not been recorded. i know jimmy was a highly rated fighter so i'll look into his career more and see what i can find.

i must be missing something with jimmy wilde coz i just dont get it!! fair enough he was british european and world flyweight champion but.... if you look at his record its fairly impressive until you realise how many he fought with records of 0-0-0 or 0-1-0. fair enough he was the first flyweight world champion but he only defended once against a guy with a record of 0-0-0 and then lost to pancho villa. By their own estimation, BoxRec has only about 5% of the fights from history up on their site, and note that they also put that disclaimer on the bottom of most of those old-time records saying something along the lines of "may be incomplete or inaccurate". Please don't take those 0-0 records so literally or factually, because the simple truth is that their records are unknown. Even Wilde's record on tyhat site is largely incomplete if you were to go by his & his manager's claim of him having 854 pro fights, and that's from a fighter who's very well known throughout history and has been studied extensively...The urge to research some of these "unknown" small guys isn't a prioriety to many or anybody, so odds are nobody's going to be pouring over the newspapers trying to find an accurate record for them.

Are there any boxers from the Isle of Man?? LOL I searched google and couldn't find any, and then I tried boxrec and it doesn't have Isle of Man on its list of countries...I guess we will never know.

i must be missing something with jimmy wilde coz i just dont get it!! fair enough he was british european and world flyweight champion but.... if you look at his record its fairly impressive until you realise how many he fought with records of 0-0-0 or 0-1-0. fair enough he was the first flyweight world champion but he only defended once against a guy with a record of 0-0-0 and then lost to pancho villa. i have heard alot about him and how good he was but when talking about the best fighter to come out of wales i'd think first of tommy farr. http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=12096 i know he never won titles but he did take joe louis jimmy braddock and the murdeous punching max baer the distance. even though he was unsucessfull in all 3 fights i doubt that any other welsh fighter has fought this kind of quality opposition and held their own like farr did. while looking up jimmy wilde i also found this scotsman. http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=013797 tancy lee he won a european title in his fourth fight and ko'd the 92-0-2 jimmy wilde in his fifth fight. quite impressive for a fighter who finished with a record of 11-7-1. and for england we have the fearless freddie mills the only man i know of to score 2 first round ko's in 1 night. check his 7th and 8th pro fight http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=17916 but seriously i dont think any englishman will achieve the feats that bob fitzsimmons did. for scotland we gotta have have ken buchannan. http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=142 if only he wore a metal protector cup against duran he would be more known. i cant think of any fighters from northern ireland apart from the clones cyclone so i suppose he will.

How many of his filmed fights are available Yogi? Including the Basham fight, which I was not aware of, that would bring the total to four that I know of...vs. Basham, George Carpentier, Tom Gunner, and Boy McCormick. Could be more, though.

Here's an interesting little story I just found out about Ted "Kid" Lewis. http://www.antekprizering.com/ttlewiscut.html I have to admit I don't know all that much about him. There's surviving film of his fight with Johnny Basham, I know from a little last minute research, and he was an all action fighter and one of the greatest to hail from the UK. How many of his filmed fights are available Yogi?

Are there any boxers from the Isle of Man??

:) Fine then. Just the other day I described myself as one of the "New Generation of Native Americans". So, that's what I am.....with Irish roots. ;) Exactly..........

You can be proud of your Irish roots, but you aren't Irish. You're an American. Claiming to be Irish (or any other nationality for that matter) is fine if you're 2nd or 3rd generation, but not if your claim to Irishness is based in ancient history. You don't get lots of Australians/Kiwis/English claiming to be Irish despite having Irish roots. I guess the US just isn't the great cultural melting pot it likes to think it is when everyone is a hyphenated American. :) Fine then. Just the other day I described myself as one of the "New Generation of Native Americans". So, that's what I am.....with Irish roots. ;)

So, you're saying, just because I was raised in an American culture on American soil and eat American food....which is an amalgom of many different cultural delacacies, it is irrelevant that my great, great, great, great.....etc. grandfather was Irish author Jonathan Swift? You're saying I must give up my heritage because of where I was born and deny my Irish DNA? You can be proud of your Irish roots, but you aren't Irish. You're an American. Claiming to be Irish (or any other nationality for that matter) is fine if you're 2nd or 3rd generation, but not if your claim to Irishness is based in ancient history. You don't get lots of Australians/Kiwis/English claiming to be Irish despite having Irish roots. I guess the US just isn't the great cultural melting pot it likes to think it is when everyone is a hyphenated American.

He was born in the UK, in Cornwall. Hey, I'm all for that mistake if it makes room for a worthy, Ted 'Kid' Lewis mention.

He was born in the UK, in Cornwall.

But you aren't Irish. ;) I don't see what the septic obsession with Irishness is. For every fairly "irish" yanke doddle, you'll get a handful of Paddy O'Schmidt and Jimmy MacSpaghetti types. So, you're saying, just because I was raised in an American culture on American soil and eat American food....which is an amalgom of many different cultural delacacies, it is irrelevant that my great, great, great, great.....etc. grandfather was Irish author Jonathan Swift? You're saying I must give up my heritage because of where I was born and deny my Irish DNA?

Bob Fitzsimmons wasn't Irish. He was, wasn't he??

England - Ted 'Kid' Lewis Scotland - Ken Buchanan Wales - Jimmy Wilde Ireland - Bob Fitzsimmons Bob Fitzsimmons wasn't Irish.

Well, then I'm the redneck decendant of Irishmen; but Irish blood flows in my redneck body. :D But you aren't Irish. ;) I don't see what the septic obsession with Irishness is. For every fairly "irish" yanke doddle, you'll get a handful of Paddy O'Schmidt and Jimmy MacSpaghetti types.

England - Ted 'Kid' Lewis Scotland - Ken Buchanan Wales - Jimmy Wilde Ireland - Bob Fitzsimmons

No you aren't. You're a Yankee doodle. Some of your long distant ancestors may have come from Paddystan, but you're from a trailer park in the southern US of A. ;) Well, then I'm the redneck decendant of Irishmen; but Irish blood flows in my redneck body. :D