Joe Calzaghe just can't catch a break...

you say calzaghe can't catch a break? his whole career has been nothing but catching breaks. he has hand picked opponents. over and over again it's been proven and it's on his resume so you can't hide it, and it's been said over and over again because it's the truth. Calzaghe has fought hand picked opponents, frank warren has been selecting guys for calzaghe that are either too old and have seen better days in the ring or he fights young guys that aren't ready for his caliber of fight, never anyone in their prime and never anyone who is really a honest threat other than a punchers chance, and that is in any fight regardless. there are fights for calzaghe in and around his division and yet he wants to fight guys that aren't even ranked in the top ten. like manfredo, he's only ranked in one orginization the WBC and he's ranked 8th at supermiddle weight. manfredo isnt ranked in any other orginization at least not in their top ten. i like calzaghe but it's starting to get seriously ridiculous. joe is like a pornstar that only fucks fluffers, because that is what his resume looks like, nothing but fluff, opponents that are there to build his undefeated record, guys that haven't a chance at beating him. and why not unify or move up or take one someone who is a worthy competitor. nothing against manfredo but i think that he is too young and inexperienced for a fight with calzaghe, manfredo needs a few moe world class fights under his belt before he goes against a fighter like joe. and i'm sure that'll be obvious once the fight takes place........... calzaghe gets nothing but breaks, he is one of the most fortunate boxers alive. fortunate to never leave home for a fight and fortunate match making. Here are a list of calzaghe next opponents :banana: thomas hearns......close to 50 years of age. mger mkrychian.....everybody wants to see the rematch. kingsley ikeke.......as long as its a blown up middleweight. freeman barr........the one that got away. markus beyer........wont prove shit. but as i said, cal***gi is not a bright man. robert stieglitz.........oh NOOOO!! not robert stieglitz. forget it. the next WBO mandatory........as served up by *** warren.

you say calzaghe can't catch a break? his whole career has been nothing but catching breaks. he has hand picked opponents. over and over again it's been proven and it's on his resume so you can't hide it, and it's been said over and over again because it's the truth. Calzaghe has fought hand picked opponents, frank warren has been selecting guys for calzaghe that are either too old and have seen better days in the ring or he fights young guys that aren't ready for his caliber of fight, never anyone in their prime and never anyone who is really a honest threat other than a punchers chance, and that is in any fight regardless. there are fights for calzaghe in and around his division and yet he wants to fight guys that aren't even ranked in the top ten. like manfredo, he's only ranked in one orginization the WBC and he's ranked 8th at supermiddle weight. manfredo isnt ranked in any other orginization at least not in their top ten. i like calzaghe but it's starting to get seriously ridiculous. joe is like a pornstar that only fucks fluffers, because that is what his resume looks like, nothing but fluff, opponents that are there to build his undefeated record, guys that haven't a chance at beating him. and why not unify or move up or take one someone who is a worthy competitor. nothing against manfredo but i think that he is too young and inexperienced for a fight with calzaghe, manfredo needs a few moe world class fights under his belt before he goes against a fighter like joe. and i'm sure that'll be obvious once the fight takes place........... calzaghe gets nothing but breaks, he is one of the most fortunate boxers alive. fortunate to never leave home for a fight and fortunate match making.

I'm just pissed at these threads discrediting Calzaghe's performance with the way Lacy fought last night. I just think that regardless of Lacy's performance last night, Calzaghe was in a lose-lose situation... Scenario 1: Had Lacy performed poorly last night(which was what really happened) Comment: "Calzaghe ain't shit because Lacy was an overrated one-dimentional piece of crap anyway". Scenario 2: Had Lacy KTFO Tsypko Comment: "Lacy had a bad night in Manchester and he would KTFO Calzaghe had Lacy been 100% like he did tonight" And now with all these "Why the f*ck is he fighting Manfredo" talk? Calzaghe wants Jermaine Taylor and Hopkins but they have other plans at the moment. Give the guy some respect. For christs sake - Lacy struggled with has-beeners like Sheika (who Beyer schooled!) and journeymen like Wiggins and many others before Calzaghe. Lacy never met a decent fighter in his prime - and now that he did and (of course!) struggled the Calzaghe nuthuggers are saying.. "Oh, but .. that is .. because... Calzaghe destroyed him". No he didn't - in fact Lacy should get a lot of credit for just beating the best guy he has ever beat. Rubbish. I am sure that although Manfredo will NEVER beat a top 15 SMW - the Calzaghe huggers will say when Manfredo losses to Veit, Markussen,Bute,Mundine or someone mediocre like that - "Oh, Calzaghe destroyed Manfredo's confidence" - otherwise Manfredo was a monester". This protection of Calzaghe is totally taking overhand for a couple of people. Lacy is not and was never that good. Face it. I like Lacy and hope he can improve further, but he has always has huge gaping holes in his skills and they are still there. Manfredo is much worse though - and no, not because "Calzaghe destroyed him".

What does it matter what armchair american boxing fans think of Calzaghe, anyway? 99% of them have never laced a boxing glove in their life. What the fuck do they know? Its funny how Calzaghe is regarded highly by men like Hagler and Robinson-men who have been in the ring and know a good quality fighter when they see one. Opinion from great boxers like these are the ones that count. Not the ones from ignorant Yanks who cant see past the end of their own nose.

Hell, I'd even take Omar over him. Agreed. Omar gave Joe a good fight. unlike Lacy, Omar put on a good show. I'll watch this fight again, sometime.

people like hating...there is nothign you can really do calzaghe came in as a underdog vs lacy and thoroughly beat him. so How lacy looked last night has nothing to do with calzaghes legacy. Yes Calzaghe doesnt fight that many people and is always injured but he still is p4p in the top 10

Maybe there are people on Calzaghe's resume better than Lacy, but if Joe Calzaghe retired today and you read an article about him 10 years from now. The Lacy win would be talked about the most.

I'm just pissed at these threads discrediting Calzaghe's performance with the way Lacy fought last night. I just think that regardless of Lacy's performance last night, Calzaghe was in a lose-lose situation... Scenario 1: Had Lacy performed poorly last night(which was what really happened) Comment: "Calzaghe ain't shit because Lacy was an overrated one-dimentional piece of crap anyway". Scenario 2: Had Lacy KTFO Tsypko Comment: "Lacy had a bad night in Manchester and he would KTFO Calzaghe had Lacy been 100% like he did tonight" And now with all these "Why the f*ck is he fighting Manfredo" talk? Calzaghe wants Jermaine Taylor and Hopkins but they have other plans at the moment. Give the guy some respect. I doubt people would say that in scenerio 2. If they did then they would be stupid. You Joe Cal fans are making something out of nothing. Hooks is the only one who I saw talkign shit. Let it go.

Most of Joe's competition was BETTER than Lacy. NO ONE has said that Joe's competition is better than Roy Jones's or Hopkins's, only in your imagination. Joe Calzaghe is WELSH. WALES and ENGLAND are TWO SEPARATE COUNTRIES. An English person liking Joe CANNOT be a "homer" because THEY'RE NOT FROM WALES. It's the same as you being a "homer" for regurgitating boxrec facts about American fighters. Show respect for fellow posters by dropping the "homer" shit, or fuck off, you stupid fucking queer. Wales, located in Great Britain, is one of the three constituent nations of the United Kingdom, and Calzaghe has fought almost his entire career within driving distance from your house. You CLEARLY have a hard on for the guy, and it's obviously no coincidence it's because he's from the same region as you, so drop the crying and stop suggesting otherwise. 2nd of all, it's widely agreed upon Joe's resume overall is borderline mediocre, so if you're suggesting most of them are better that Lacy, you're really putting the significance of that win in perspective now, aren't you? Calzaghe made a statement beating Lacy, but had done little before that and has done nothing since, and looks to be continuing on that path. Any credit he doesn't get or criticism he does get is not without merit until he takes that career high note he had with beating Lacy and looks to improve upon it. Until that time, he's fair game for criticism no matter how much that upsets you and pulls you down from the high you felt after the Lacy fight.

Calzaghe will never catch a break on this forum. Thank God that this forums opinion doesn't mean shit, 80% of you are out to get Joe, and we're nuthugging Brit phags for defending him. :haha: :bsflag: Never catch a break on THIS forum??? Try going to some of the other international forums. If you think this is bad, you'll find something much worse there (personally i think it's just about right those places - if anything a bit too stuck up Joe's ass). And Yes - You ARE a nuthugging brit - don't know about the phag thing.

The problem is that you HOMERS have such a hard on for Calzaghe, you forget that he spent the last decade utterly wasting potential earnings and acclaim fighting meidocre to poor opposition in his own back yard. Yes he proved a lot of people wrong in beating Lacy. But it was ONE fight. It doesn't give him a free pass to the hall, or to write off critisism of everyting he (hadn't) done previously. And these constant references to Jones and Hopkins are an outright JOKE. Both those guys have wins and resumes that make Calzaghe look like a club fighter. He had a weak resume before Lacy, destoryed Lacy, and then struggled with a virtually unranked fighter. Now he's targeting a non top ten Supper Middle in his next fight. Should he be critisized for things that haven't happned yet? No Does he deserve any credit for anything outside the Lacy fight in reccent years? No. There's a middle ground here, and it's that Calzaghe really should be given any post and thread parades until he steps up off the good work of the Lacy fight which A) hasn't happned yet, and B) doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.

You're digging out of your ass right now to make Roy look bad and it's not working. At the end of the day, Ruiz wa sa champ at heavyweight and one of the better heavyweights over the last half-decade. Tarver was tops at 175 when Roy took him on, and beat him fairly in the 1st fight in most people's eyes. The issue here, in any case, is the opposition, not HOW you do against the opposition. I've just EXPLAINED to you why he's fighting Manfredo. It's on the cards that he'll be fighting Taylor in the summer. NOWHERE in my post above did I say that Manfredo was a legit opponent... in fact, I said it was a mismatch so why are you telling me something I've already just said? Your explanation was full of ranting and anti-U.S. sentiment. No one is trying to put words in your mouth so if you take it that way, that's no fault of mine. We do not know that Taylor and Joe will fight. I hope it happens. What we do know is Joe is 35 and is wasting time right now when he could be fighting Kessler. What happens when/if Joe beats Taylor? Does he go back to fighting Bikas? At the end of a decent career when you are still pretty good as Joe is, you make a name for yourself. Joe got some attention with the Lacy win but has mismanaged his career after that. I understand that perception is reality, but Manfredo gets respect from people who watch Contender and think those are superstars in boxing. It does not mean anything for hardcore observers.

There is a lot of sense in this statement but who is more foolish, Lacy and his team for building up the hype or the many people around the world who believed it? Both, man. And that includes me too. I thought Lacy was the shit. Now I'm pissed off at being led on to believe that.

Why can't people get it into their heads that the Manfredo fight is just there so fat Americans watching it while eating their tenth donut can go "Yo, dis guy just beat a fellow American guy? Maybe he's good." I'm not concerned with these marketing ploys. Manfredo is a decent fighter, but he is not on Joe's level and has done nothing to warrant a fight with him. Joe should be fighting the top guys at this point in his career. Roy went after Ruiz and Tarver. Joe needs to be going for Kessler and Adamek. He's not young anymore and he is wasting time.

Following the Lacy fight with fights vs Manfredo and Bika does not garner respect, and nor should it. Not the type of a respect the top dog at 168 should get anyway. It's time to fight Kessler, Adamek, Briggs, Woods, Johnson or someone along those lines. "If you criticize Calzaghe you need your head tested" - Roy Jones

Following the Lacy fight with fights vs Manfredo and Bika does not garner respect, and nor should it. Not the type of a respect the top dog at 168 should get anyway. It's time to fight Kessler, Adamek, Briggs, Woods, Johnson or someone along those lines.

Delaney, Reid, Starie, Sheika, Woodhall, Veit, Brewer and Mitchell are better than Lacy, based on Lacy's last four fights atleast (the only ones I've seen).

Calzaghe can't catch a break? He caught a fucking dream when he came in as the underdog against a guy who was never as good as people thought. He beat the shit out of Jeff Lacy and didn't have to risk much to get the fame, cuz Lacy is not as good as people thought. What I'm saying is, rather than Calzaghe outclassing Lacy, Lacy's hype outclassed him, and lead to him being exposed against a better fighter. There is a lot of sense in this statement but who is more foolish, Lacy and his team for building up the hype or the many people around the world who believed it?

Does anyone consider the fact that his left shoulder was bothering him throughout the fight? Everyone isn't running around saying Clottey looked like total shit.

Right, that's the point. His best opponent was against the Great American Hype. agree...it seems that America, or just boxing in general, are looking for new stars, new stars that can fight and punch, so they hyped Lacy up just because he had some knockouts, but looked past his lack of boxing ability...I guess it has become acceptable that mediocre is Great now; this isn't just in boxing either.