I know this is boxing, but I just don't get it....

We got off on the wrong foot here brother (though you did swear at me), but never has such a talent been so squandered on meaningless fights IMO. Of course, now he can handily beat an opponent of the sort-of level he more regularly fought at (Ajamu) but lose against the likes of Tarver and Johnson, it does raise the question as to whether he was ever that good, and whether he'd always be beaten by them in his prime. I'm not saying he would - in fact I think he'd beat them - but he's only himself to blame for that question being asked. is "bullshit" swearing? i know we would end up agreeing because I read other posts of yours in the past and I know you are not a dumb ass. however... you gave me bad k????? for that???? fuck a cunt :D

How can a commentator go Floyd's entire career bashing him for not fighting like a Gatti or Ward? Floyd knows when he can try to walk his opponent down for a knockout (Judah, Mitchell) and he knows when he needs to be serious and just box to win and look impressive (Castillo II, Corrales, Baldomir). I don't remember hearing a lot of bashing for Pernell Whitaker for being a light punching stylist. Also, even Manny Steward has gone on about Baldomir being Floyd's toughest test in his mind. The second Floyd win's the fight easier than SOME expected, that SOME of people do the typical boxing thing of discrediting the win. Baldomir even came in at 162. Floyd was a legit SMALL Jr Middleweight fighting a big Middleweight. Floyd has a great defensive style, but he will also go shoulder to shoulder and take some body shots. I know it happens all of the time in Boxing, but Mayweather being my favorite it itches me more right now. You can go back to Floyd's early fights and Merchant is spitting the same crap about Floyd not being an exciting fighter. He isnt exciting. He is a great fighter, with talent and skill, but i wouldnt call him exciting. He is great to watch when he is picking off opponents, but his style of not taking risks in fights, i believe, means that his fights are robbed of real excitment. I think Larry did compliment him, but is only remembered as the guy who discredited Floyd. And thats because he cant take criticism and makes a huge deal of of a valid question. When Floyd makes himself out to be as great as Leonard and Robinson, and dresses as a gladitor, u expect more. A matador maybe, but not a gladiator.

Nah, no card change, I'm well aware he fought four opponents of note in his 54 fight career. When I said he fought "nobodies" I was actually playing around with the lyrics of one of his songs. I wasn't even entirely serious. But if having 7.4% of your bouts against worthy competition isn't having a career mainly filled with fighting nobodies, then I don't know what is. ok with the mainly, which you now added your sentence make sense. I could add a few more opponents that were not "nobodies" so that we could get from 7.4 to around 20%, but that does not erase the ridiculous defenses roy jones did at 175

Thankyou for your patronage I must remember to learn more off you. :) Of course, the entire concept of "HOF" is entirely subjective, but there you go. But if you're happy that Roy fought a minimum of "HOF" material (please name them) then good for you. dont change the cards on the table, I have a list this long of opponents I would have liked Jones to fight (the brits, michael nunn, g-man, dm...). This has nothing you do with the fact that you stated Roy Jones fought nobodies, I showed you it is bs, bcos he fought toney, hopkins, mccallum, hill.

When you go out there and proclaim yourself to be better than Ray Robinson, who had it all including a knockout punch and the aggressive attitude and offensive skill to use it, you'd better back it up. If Mayweather didn't talk like he did he wouldn't be held to such high standards and would not be criticized. He'd be recognized as what he is, a brilliant defensive fight who's the best of his era.

That's FOUR opponents out of over 40... what gets boring is people like you reiterating crap about a man who didn't fight the best throughout his career. Talented guy, but never tested himself. Besides, it's not "BS", it's a subjective opinion, or can't you understand what that is? do you understand that when you say a fighter fought nobodies, and that fighter fought the 2 best fighters of his generation and other HOFers, it is not OPINION, it is BS since it is contradicted by the FACTS I mentioned above. the right phrasing is, "I wish Roy Jones Jr. took on more competitive opponentes in this and this occasion"

No, they really WERE nobodies. Y'all must've forgot. this is getting boring... toney hopkins mccallum hill stop with the bs already

No, they really WERE nobodies. Y'all must've forgot. I'm guessing you mean Roy.

On the Mayweather-Merchant front, I don't think Floyd was that mad at Larry. He was just mad from all the boxing media, etc. and took it out on Larry. Also, he probably heard every word Manny was saying about him from the 9th round on.

I, for one, am a huge fan of Larry Merchant; but felt he was being a little unfair to Mayweather. Merchant used to praise Whitaker for his defensive expertise; but he did occassionally chastise him for the lack of excitement in most of his fights, which leads me to believe that he either has a problem with Mayweather on a personality level....which is entirely conceiveable, or he's speaking more as the spokesperson for HBO, who wants viewers...and most viewers don't appreciate the art of boxing as Mayweather displays it as much as they want Gatti-Ward type of contests.

"And they got the nerve to say I ain't fight nobody, I just make 'em look like nobodies" RJJ

Merchant is a prick and somebody needs to shove that mike up his ass. He tries to use extreme English language with huge words nobody knows any more, he is insulting to many fighters but can't fight a butterfly and win. Then again...He does seem to be the person we love to hate. Sometimes having such a hated figure does actually make it nice in a weird sort of way. Still wish somebody would probe him with his mike. :smashfrea

How can a commentator go Floyd's entire career bashing him for not fighting like a Gatti or Ward? Floyd knows when he can try to walk his opponent down for a knockout (Judah, Mitchell) and he knows when he needs to be serious and just box to win and look impressive (Castillo II, Corrales, Baldomir). I don't remember hearing a lot of bashing for Pernell Whitaker for being a light punching stylist. Also, even Manny Steward has gone on about Baldomir being Floyd's toughest test in his mind. The second Floyd win's the fight easier than SOME expected, that SOME of people do the typical boxing thing of discrediting the win. Baldomir even came in at 162. Floyd was a legit SMALL Jr Middleweight fighting a big Middleweight. Floyd has a great defensive style, but he will also go shoulder to shoulder and take some body shots. I know it happens all of the time in Boxing, but Mayweather being my favorite it itches me more right now. You can go back to Floyd's early fights and Merchant is spitting the same crap about Floyd not being an exciting fighter. I agree,u feel bad for the guy,he outboxes Baldomir for 12 rounds,a fight people said would be harder then he thought,when he does,they dont congratulate him,they put him down,what does Larry want? A Barrera vs Morales? Sorry HBO,this is the sweet science,not warzone,i mean Baldomir only landed 12 % OF HIS PUNCHES!! if that aint great defence then what is? it pissis u off when they discredit a guy for puting on a excellent performance,luckely for me i got the English commentators,they were giving Floyd all the credit he deserves,one of the guys said he knew Larry for 30 years and he just wants 2 cause controversy

LOL Whitaker had tons and I mean TONS of critics because of his lack of power and "boring" style . I guess I don't hear them NOW when they assess his legacy.

LOL Whitaker had tons and I mean TONS of critics because of his lack of power and "boring" style .

Baldomir is the one who couldn't do anything. It's like it's a crime that Floyd can make potentially dangerous opponents look not so dangerous or average.

How can a commentator go Floyd's entire career bashing him for not fighting like a Gatti or Ward? Floyd knows when he can try to walk his opponent down for a knockout (Judah, Mitchell) and he knows when he needs to be serious and just box to win and look impressive (Castillo II, Corrales, Baldomir). I don't remember hearing a lot of bashing for Pernell Whitaker for being a light punching stylist. Also, even Manny Steward has gone on about Baldomir being Floyd's toughest test in his mind. The second Floyd win's the fight easier than SOME expected, that SOME of people do the typical boxing thing of discrediting the win. Baldomir even came in at 162. Floyd was a legit SMALL Jr Middleweight fighting a big Middleweight. Floyd has a great defensive style, but he will also go shoulder to shoulder and take some body shots. I know it happens all of the time in Boxing, but Mayweather being my favorite it itches me more right now. You can go back to Floyd's early fights and Merchant is spitting the same crap about Floyd not being an exciting fighter. Larry's from Philladelphia...nuff said. :lol1: