What Heavyweight Champion from the Past would be the best to dominate Now?

Tyson would destroy these dudes..A prime Tyson was to quick for these big slow HW's of today and his power was crazy, head movement etc.. he had it all and had a great chin to go with it.

Because they are obvious choices. And how come this has turned into another Ali v Foreman thread? lol I have no idea, lol! And I could name about 1,000 heavies that would dominate today. Ali Liston Foreman Tyson Louis Holmes Frazier Johnson Dempsey Lewis Holyfield Bowe Marciano Patterson Charles Tunney Walcott Norton Ellis M. Spinks Prime Buster Douglass etc.......................................

why the hell isnt ali or holmes on the list the 2 greatest ever Because they are obvious choices. And how come this has turned into another Ali v Foreman thread? lol

why the hell isnt ali or holmes on the list the 2 greatest ever

None of the above..... Ali would kill these flat feet fuckers of todays....They dont move enough and he would dance all over their butts..

You sure? I thought George wanted a rematch right away, but Ali didn't want it or at least his people...I thought George said he was pissed off for a long time because he didn't get that rematch right away, which sunk his depression further and he couldn't focus on anybody else. I could see how Ali wouldn't want a rematch because no fighter, hopefully, would fall for the trap again...I can't remembr who said it, but somebody in the boxing world said if the rematch took place, and George just fought his fight, like he was going to do before arriving in Africa, he would of won...I think George even blamed the postponment of the fight that changed his attitude and made him mad and aggressive for the fight. You could be right. I haven't read up on it in a long time; I"m going on memory. Ali was seriously contemplating retirement at that time, also; but, of course ended up fighting Wepner and continuing on. George had a ton of excuses as to why he lost: the ropes, the delay, a witchdoctor, etc. So, that's not unusual. I'm not sure what the public demand was for a rematch though. Foreman was not that popular of a champion; nothing compared to what he is today. People just didn't like him because of how he came off publicly. Ali, of course, is going to go for the money fight too. So, no, I really don't remember. I'll tell you who would though. SABBATH and Yogi would probabloy have the specifics on that time frame.

Ali said he wanted to rematch Foreman; and I'm pretty sure George wanted a rematch.......but this was not a "duck-job". Politics and timing got in the way, to say nothing of George falling off the face of the planet for about a year. You sure? I thought George wanted a rematch right away, but Ali didn't want it or at least his people...I thought George said he was pissed off for a long time because he didn't get that rematch right away, which sunk his depression further and he couldn't focus on anybody else. I could see how Ali wouldn't want a rematch because no fighter, hopefully, would fall for the trap again...I can't remembr who said it, but somebody in the boxing world said if the rematch took place, and George just fought his fight, like he was going to do before arriving in Africa, he would of won...I think George even blamed the postponement of the fight that changed his attitude and made him mad and aggressive for the fight. Things workout in weird ways sometimes: without the postponement, what if George did fight his fight and won, what would Ali's Legacy and impact be? Maybe it is a "good guy vs bad guy" thing that seems to workout in this weird world...that or a over-confident/false sense of security type guy like Foreman and a Tyson, are doomed to blow it.

Abe did you deliberately exclude Muhammed Ali from this list? Ali is my choice.:boxing: yes, I think I mentioned it on the first page...I excluded Ali because I thought people would pick him right away, so I excluded him...

Foreman's chin was at worst good, but how many times was he hit by a straight puncher of the caliber of Louis or Dempsey? The closest was Lyle, who had him in serious trouble and could have knocked him out had his heavy hands not bailed him out. I think his chin was reliable but nothing like Chuvalo, Tua, McCall, Baer, etc. or even Samuel Peter. As for his power, he had heavy ass hands, perhaps the heaviest of all time (until Sam Peter came along ha ha ha) at heavyweight but that does not equate to explosive one puncher power. I think a durable heavyweight puncher like Brewster, who proved his chin vs. an explosive puncher in Wlad Klitschko could possibly weather the storm while scoring with savage body blows and eventually take the fight. I'm not saying I'd bet on Brewster as a sure lock, but I'd put money on him as he'd be a huge underdog who would be a live on to my eyes. As for Toney, I thought for sure Peter would squash him but his upperbody movements and chin are something to behold. Yes, perhaps he does wither under a body attack but I think his counter right would startle and even hurt Foreman, who proved he could be hurt by quick straight punchers like Ali and Young. And don't give me the exhaustion excuse, Ali caught him and hurt him with a snappy punch and would have done the same in the first or second round if the opportunity presented itself. The exhaustion played it's role in that it enabled Ali to land on Foreman without him seeing it. Foreman was tired but you don't go from tired to concussed on your own accord. Ali's punch did the damage. A fight where exhaustion truly played a role in a knockout would be Maskaev-Rahman II where Rahman was falling all over the ring from Maskaev's slow tired punches and just didn't have anything in the tank. Ali-Foreman was one clean knockdown from which Foreman couldn't get up because his brain had been scrambled.

did foreman ever ask for a rematch with ali? Ali said he wanted to rematch Foreman; and I'm pretty sure George wanted a rematch.......but this was not a "duck-job". Politics and timing got in the way, to say nothing of George falling off the face of the planet for about a year.

Abe did you deliberately exclude Muhammed Ali from this list? Ali is my choice.:boxing:

1. Cause George was inactive in 1975 due to depression. 2. When he resumed activity in 1976, Norton was the number 1 contender 3. He lost to Jimmy Young in 1977 and retired for 10 years. did foreman ever ask for a rematch with ali?

If Foreman was so easy why didn't Ali give him a rematch? 1. Cause George was inactive in 1975 due to depression. 2. When he resumed activity in 1976, Norton was the number 1 contender 3. He lost to Jimmy Young in 1977 and retired for 10 years.

I hate to rain on everyone's parade but Foreman just doesn't do it for me. I'm not sold on his chin (good but not great IMO), one punch power, stamina, or ability to deal with straight punchers who had power. As for him hitting as hard as Samuel Peter, I'm not too sure of that. Foreman to me was just a hulking brute with heart and balls who threw wild punches with both hands until guys collapsed from the punishment. He was good at cutting off the ring from most opponents he fought but these were guys who were either intimidated from the get go, or came right at him and played into his cards. I think Toney, Brewster, and Vitali Klitschko would have a good shot at upsetting him. Perhaps even Sergei Lyakovich depending on how good his chin really is. I find it funny that people criticize Dempsey for being crude when he was in fact much slicker, cleverer, and skilled than Foreman could ever dream of being. LIkewise for Liston. Liston eats Foreman up I think. That's heresy here on the churchofforemanscene.com where Foreman is an unstoppable brute but Baer, Firpo, and similar fighters are complete crap and would get blown out of the water by John Ruiz or Roy Jones Jr. To be honest, Firpo-Foreman would be 50-50 for me. Similar styled fighters with similar punching power, but Firpo had slightly better reflexes I'd say. Foreman has the edge in chin of course. If Foreman was so easy why didn't Ali give him a rematch?

I hate to rain on everyone's parade but Foreman just doesn't do it for me. . . He was good at cutting off the ring from most opponents he fought but these were guys who were either intimidated from the get go, or came right at him and played into his cards. I find it funny that people criticize Dempsey for being crude when he was in fact much slicker, cleverer, and skilled than Foreman could ever dream of being. LIkewise for Liston. Liston eats Foreman up I think. That's heresy here on the churchofforemanscene.com where Foreman is an unstoppable brute but Baer, Firpo, and similar fighters are complete crap and would get blown out of the water by John Ruiz or Roy Jones Jr. To be honest, Firpo-Foreman would be 50-50 for me. Similar styled fighters with similar punching power, but Firpo had slightly better reflexes I'd say. Foreman has the edge in chin of course. I'm not sold on his chin (good but not great IMO), one punch power, stamina, or ability to deal with straight punchers who had power Foreman has a great chin in my opinion...the problem is his inability in his younger years to pace himself, and by running out of gas, your chin turns to shit...not only that, but Foreman had a crap defense and when people landed on him, they landed flush...even Frazier landed a big left hook on him and George walked through it, so does that mean Frazier's power is overrated? or what about Frazier's chin, he got torched by Foreman, who was the only one to do that to Joe. Also, for George's stamina, I heard he didn't like to run all that much.... As for him hitting as hard as Samuel Peter, I'm not too sure of that. Foreman to me was just a hulking brute with heart and balls who threw wild punches with both hands until guys collapsed from the punishment Peter's power is overrated if anything, not George...ask Chuvalo how hard George hit...you see, fighter's back then (in the 70's) new how to box, they knew how to use defense, how to block punches and roll with the punch...you could see George's punches coming a mile away, so it enabled the opponent to prepare himself to get hit. George also didn't seem to use his legs 100% into it, like other great power punchers...his technique in throwing punches was terrible as well...not being able to throw a proper punch, like a Joe Louis, or a Mike Tyson, the punch has less effect. I think Toney, Brewster, and Vitali Klitschko would have a good shot at upsetting him. Perhaps even Sergei Lyakovich depending on how good his chin really is. I think you have gone mad... I also mentioned at the top, that the fighters would be allowed the training and trainers of today... The one thing about George, he was able to pick the sport up late and do well...he never really had the proper trainer for him...sure he had Archie Moore, but Moore wasn't the perfect fit for him in my opinion.

i say jack dempsey. i mean just watching the guy fight is frightening. hes definatly the most aggressive HW champion in history, yes more so than mike tyson.

I hate to rain on everyone's parade but Foreman just doesn't do it for me. I'm not sold on his chin (good but not great IMO), one punch power, stamina, or ability to deal with straight punchers who had power. As for him hitting as hard as Samuel Peter, I'm not too sure of that. Foreman to me was just a hulking brute with heart and balls who threw wild punches with both hands until guys collapsed from the punishment. He was good at cutting off the ring from most opponents he fought but these were guys who were either intimidated from the get go, or came right at him and played into his cards. I think Toney, Brewster, and Vitali Klitschko would have a good shot at upsetting him. Perhaps even Sergei Lyakovich depending on how good his chin really is. I find it funny that people criticize Dempsey for being crude when he was in fact much slicker, cleverer, and skilled than Foreman could ever dream of being. LIkewise for Liston. Liston eats Foreman up I think. That's heresy here on the churchofforemanscene.com where Foreman is an unstoppable brute but Baer, Firpo, and similar fighters are complete crap and would get blown out of the water by John Ruiz or Roy Jones Jr. To be honest, Firpo-Foreman would be 50-50 for me. Similar styled fighters with similar punching power, but Firpo had slightly better reflexes I'd say. Foreman has the edge in chin of course.

louis, the man had some great strength and reasonable speed, he had no trouble in beatin the bigger opponent e.g. max baer or primo carnera

Out of the list, Foreman. ANyone that could takeout Joe Frazier in two rounds would have no difficulty in destroying today's heavies. Hey, he was dominant at 45, so imagine how dominant he would be at 25!

Out of the Heavyweight Greats of the Past, who would dominate if they fought today, to bring the belts back as one? I am not going to use Ali because I want to see a list without him for once, and it might be a bit to easy to pick him... Also, you can even think of it like this, it is more about their size and natural/raw ability, plus the use of today's nutrition and knowledge of the boxing "art" Ex: Joe Louis could possibly have been 225lbs solid and still been effective The ranked heavyweights of today are just a bunch of big, fat, lazy slobs with mediocre talent, and mediocre skill. All of the men on that list would dominate and knockout these bums and make it look easy. Dempsey won the title at 187 and beat the crap out of Jess Willard. He would do the same thing to Klitschko, Valuev, Briggs, and all the rest of those oversized under performing imposters.