"He doesn't know how to fight, he doesn't know how to stand and he's wide open as the Holland Tunnel."
"I swear to you, Michael Nunn would beat Jones seven days a week, and twice on a Sunday."
When asked how..
"Nunn isn't as fast as he used to be, and he isn't as fast as Jones is now. But the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, or in boxing's case, a straight punch. Roy Jones can't throw straight punches often, or as well as Nunn. If Nunn emphasises his speed, his right jab and his left hand I see him as a guy who'd beat and maybe school Jones.
"He's (Nunn) sitting down on his punches more these days and isn't entering the ring jaded with any weight worries, he's going to hurt Jones. He's more fluid and flowing than Jones could ever be, with better timing than anything Jones has seen. He's 6ft3, Jones would have to jump to land and when he does Nunn glides his upper body out of range, which should be second nature to him because he's been doing it for 14 years."
Talent? Natural skill I suppose.
I think our discussion's and debates are being misinterpreted by the both of us in this and other threads because we have different definitions of talent and skill.
Jones was a great athlete, but Nunn was more talented than Jones IMO.
Ok, please define for me your definitions of talent, atheltic ability and skill. Since you have them categorized as different things.
To me at athletic ability and talent are the same thing. Talent: Handspeed, reflexes, power, overall speed i.e. upper body and foot. How is this different than athletic ability? Talent = Athletic ability
Skill is: ability to time opponents, slip/roll punches, counter, footwork,....in short the things you learn and develope. JT comes to mind.
Now with that said you truly think that Nunn was the more Talented fighter? I would say the more skilled but not the more talented.
Nunn was American, was not my hero, and was more talented than Jones.
Yes I know Nunn was American Jr.; the same Nunn that was KO'ed by Toney. The same Nunn that fought scared against Iran Barkley. The prime Jones that dominated James Toney would soundly defeat Nunn. Nunn was solid & had good skills but didn't have the style to beat a prime Jones so once again your off base.
OK, but not better
There's just no way that Jones beats the '87/'88 Nunn IMO, I wouldn't put Jones in that bracket. Ali is the greatest man to ever box, but Nunn wasn't even on anybodies radar screens IMO.
Reminds me of Hagler and Leonard earning tens of millions but infact Not the two best middleweights in the world in 1987 - those were Sumbu Kalambay and Herol Graham (who fough eachother in a £50,000 fight). The bloated, over-rated Hagler/Leonard debacle was clearly not on the same skill level as the Graham/Kalambay fight.
Jones was a great athlete, but Nunn was more talented than Jones IMO.
ah, you mean boxing wise...Roy never learned how to properly box, neither really did Ali...they should of learned, especially Roy...both Roy and Ali got away with it for a long time because they were "freaks of nature"
With all due respect to Ali and Jones, I feel Michael Nunn was more talented than both.
Nunn was the most talented fighter of his era IMO, until he sucked his career up his nose after KOing Kalambay.
OK, but not better
Juy Juy is on this quest to discredit Roy Jones Jr. & to make his favorite British fighters look better then him. But the fact of the matter is none of his heroes were as gifted or skilled as Jones.
Nunn was American, was not my hero, and was more talented than Jones.
No way....NO WAY at all was Michael Nunn ever more talented than RJJ. Geoff I really think that you confuse the words talent and skill.
Nunn excelent talent and excellent skill. RJJ just freakish talent but average skill. Hamed Freakish talent below average skill. JT good physical talent great skill.
Jones was a great athlete, but Nunn was more talented than Jones IMO.
Juy Juy is on this quest to discredit Roy Jones Jr. & to make his favorite British fighters look better then him. But the fact of the matter is none of his heroes were as gifted or skilled as Jones.
With all due respect to Ali and Jones, I feel Michael Nunn was more talented than both.
Nunn was the most talented fighter of his era IMO, until he sucked his career up his nose after KOing Kalambay.
No way....NO WAY at all was Michael Nunn ever more talented than RJJ. Geoff I really think that you confuse the words talent and skill.
Nunn excelent talent and excellent skill. RJJ just freakish talent but average skill. Hamed Freakish talent below average skill. JT good physical talent great skill.
Al Certo is just another angry whiteboy who hate a cocky blackman. Those type of people will always try to tarnish anyone they consider an uppity negro.
Not defending Certo's words, but obviously YOU'RE the one with the racist mind. :bottle:
Al Certo is just another angry whiteboy who hate a cocky blackman. Those type of people will always try to tarnish anyone they consider an uppity negro.
You know they used to say the same shit about Muhammad Ali and how he was going to get knocked out by this guy and that guy...it's all bullshit...as long as these guys are still youthful, still in their prime or near it, their reflexes are their defense...it is when they start to slide, they are fucked, unless they have the ability to take shots like Ali...Roy Jones and Ali don't come around that often...they are freaks of nature that are allowed to get away with things that even the top guys can't get away with, they are above the top, they are the peak.
With all due respect to Ali and Jones, I feel Michael Nunn was more talented than both.
Nunn was the most talented fighter of his era IMO, until he sucked his career up his nose after KOing Kalambay.
You know they used to say the same shit about Muhammad Ali and how he was going to get knocked out by this guy and that guy...it's all bullshit...as long as these guys are still youthful, still in their prime or near it, their reflexes are their defense...it is when they start to slide, they are fucked, unless they have the ability to take shots like Ali...Roy Jones and Ali don't come around that often...they are freaks of nature that are allowed to get away with things that even the top guys can't get away with, they are above the top, they are the peak.