Was Tyson-Douglas a robbery?

This is what I want to know! At 42:1 odds, what the hell was Tyson's cornerman whispering to him in his ear between rounds after giving him instructions out loud in front of the camera. Tyson's cornerman would give him instructions and then lean over and whisper something in his ear! I think the Tyson vs. Douglas match was a little fishy! Buster looked awesome! Too awesome, and Tyson looked like he wasn't even trying! Yeah, Tyson accidenty hit him with an uppercut, and lucky for them with the ODDS, that Buster got back up to fight..(or, I mean spar on). King made up a big hissy fit after the fight to take everyones attention off of what just happened and cried LONG COUNT! To me, I think they all went over there to take the japanese money and Tyson and Douglas sparred for weeks and months before to get it somewhat close! (just my opinion) It's not that hard to spar in front of a crowd, and that explains why one guy looked dominate and the other looked like he never tried. Tyson just walked in ate punches all night. Whats a puffy eye and and a loss with them kinda odds? Besides, everyone was getting sick of seeing Tyson knock out stiffs at that point and was ready for somethin new to happen in the heavyweight division! Oh, and Tyson wallering around on the floor with his mouth piece??? Come on, the japanese ate that stuff up and everyone knows it! Just my opinion and thoughts that went through my head when I witnessed the fight when it came on tv live! Go back and watch the fight with this in mind, you'll see! I've heard this before. It has crosse the minds of a lot of people that the fight must have been fixed. But who gained? Tyson? who is in Debt past his head, millions over his head? Or Douglas who caughed up his tittle so quickly? Don King was gonna get a Mnt. of cash anyway so why have his crown jewl take a dive? For a rematch? There wasn't even a rematch claus in the contract of Douglas would have had to Fight Tyson again before his firs title defense. Especially with Don King at the wheel. I maintain Douglas had a rare spark of will in his ass that day. He had somthing to prove. The man had the loss of his mohter to deal with and it isn't hard to believe that carried over to the fight. He had his finest hour. And Tyson, showed up believing he was invincible. this fight was already won in his eyes Im sure. His problems outside the ring may have had some affect. But the problems with his will and determination I say are the culprit. Somthing from then on just seemed wrong with Tyson's head. Was it somthing that had always been there that Demato, Roony and co. was able to cover? Don't know but I don't believe he took a dive. I may be wrong but I don't think the pay off would have been able to out weigh the downside of the bargain.

This is what I want to know! At 42:1 odds, what the hell was Tyson's cornerman whispering to him in his ear between rounds after giving him instructions out loud in front of the camera. Tyson's cornerman would give him instructions and then lean over and whisper something in his ear! I think the Tyson vs. Douglas match was a little fishy! Buster looked awesome! Too awesome, and Tyson looked like he wasn't even trying! Yeah, Tyson accidenty hit him with an uppercut, and lucky for them with the ODDS, that Buster got back up to fight..(or, I mean spar on). King made up a big hissy fit after the fight to take everyones attention off of what just happened and cried LONG COUNT! To me, I think they all went over there to take the japanese money and Tyson and Douglas sparred for weeks and months before to get it somewhat close! (just my opinion) It's not that hard to spar in front of a crowd, and that explains why one guy looked dominate and the other looked like he never tried. Tyson just walked in ate punches all night. Whats a puffy eye and and a loss with them kinda odds? Besides, everyone was getting sick of seeing Tyson knock out stiffs at that point and was ready for somethin new to happen in the heavyweight division! Oh, and Tyson wallering around on the floor with his mouth piece??? Come on, the japanese ate that stuff up and everyone knows it! Just my opinion and thoughts that went through my head when I witnessed the fight when it came on tv live! Go back and watch the fight with this in mind, you'll see! there are so many idiots on here!!!

Dont get carried away that version of Douglas was not one of the greatest fighters ever BUT...I believe that the Douglas PERFORMANCE was one of the greatest PERFORMANCES of all time. There is a difference...isnt there? Not sure if there is a difference. Douglas' performance that night was awesome, and so on that one night I don't think it would be a stretch to say he was awesome boxer. He boxed like he was on some hyper mix of coke and ice. Reflexes were so sharp, punches were pinpoint accurate, he had no fear and he felt no pain. It was a very special performance for him or for anyone. So maybe on that one night he was the greatest boxer ever?

No evidence, just my crazy take on the fight! It was such a shock to me as it happened, that was the only thing going through my mind at the time.

And the evidence for that is ...

shady This is what I want to know! At 42:1 odds, what the hell was Tyson's cornerman whispering to him in his ear between rounds after giving him instructions out loud in front of the camera. Tyson's cornerman would give him instructions and then lean over and whisper something in his ear! I think the Tyson vs. Douglas match was a little fishy! Buster looked awesome! Too awesome, and Tyson looked like he wasn't even trying! Yeah, Tyson accidenty hit him with an uppercut, and lucky for them with the ODDS, that Buster got back up to fight..(or, I mean spar on). King made up a big hissy fit after the fight to take everyones attention off of what just happened and cried LONG COUNT! To me, I think they all went over there to take the japanese money and Tyson and Douglas sparred for weeks and months before to get it somewhat close! (just my opinion) It's not that hard to spar in front of a crowd, and that explains why one guy looked dominate and the other looked like he never tried. Tyson just walked in ate punches all night. Whats a puffy eye and and a loss with them kinda odds? Besides, everyone was getting sick of seeing Tyson knock out stiffs at that point and was ready for somethin new to happen in the heavyweight division! Oh, and Tyson wallering around on the floor with his mouth piece??? Come on, the japanese ate that stuff up and everyone knows it! Just my opinion and thoughts that went through my head when I witnessed the fight when it came on tv live! Go back and watch the fight with this in mind, you'll see!

The count to Douglas wasn't slow, it was late. The referee started his own count rather than looking to the ringside timekeeper who'd already started counting. Douglas got up by the referee’s count, which is all you can ask him to do. It doesn’t taint his victory at all for me, though I can see the other side.

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, period. But can we actually consider it a robbery in a way due to that looong count? Same goes for Brewster-Krasniqi for instance - Lamon won, but what if he had lost that fight, it would have been a robbery, wouldn't it? yes the count was long. the first knockout elimanates the second knockout.

That version of Douglas was one of the greatest fighters ever. Douglas never had the determination to be good let a lone great. That night the gods smiled upon him in a strange way. He had the skills. Buster Douglas could fight when he wanted to. That night he had somthing else. His mother had recently passed and I would think that all of the anger and emotions were taken into the ring to make him shine that night. The ref may have counted a little slower for his knock down than Tysons, But why call it an robbery? Tyson in theory shouldn't have been in the ring with the guy past 4 rnds. The robbery happened when what ever took place that took fire out of Mike Tyson. And I'm guessing he robbed himself.

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, period. But can we actually consider it a robbery in a way due to that looong count? Same goes for Brewster-Krasniqi for instance - Lamon won, but what if he had lost that fight, it would have been a robbery, wouldn't it? Douglass would have gotten up, regardless.

douglas was at his best ever tyson was at his worst pre-jail

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, period. But can we actually consider it a robbery in a way due to that looong count? Same goes for Brewster-Krasniqi for instance - Lamon won, but what if he had lost that fight, it would have been a robbery, wouldn't it? alot of fighters wait untill 9 to get up by the looks of him he could have got up much earlier if nessarcary

Excellent mate. Well written. It's just a shame that the version of Douglas that turned up against Tyson didn't turn up for the majority of his other fights. Wasted talent. "Wasted Talent"...agree, at least on a athletic/physical level. Buster was to nice, he took after his loving mother...it was probably because he felt a bit like a failure from losing bouts he knew he should of won, he finally got his ass in gear...he had several solid wins leading up to Tyson...by the time he fought Tyson, his mother had died, and this hurt him...this gave him something he never used before, that extra something a boxer needs, the "Kill" button...It didn't matter who would of shared the ring with him that night, he was going for the kill, win or lose, he was going to give everything he had, in the honor of his mother...he probably was in so much pain inside that his release was to punish his opponent, something out of character. After the win, the pain was gone, he just wanted to be "Buster", the son his mother raised; he would revert back to who he truly was...the fight with Evander was for the money, and because he knew this is what you had to do, you had to lose the title in the ring, he was the sacrificial lamb.

That version of Douglas was one of the greatest fighters ever. Dont get carried away that version of Douglas was not one of the greatest fighters ever BUT...I believe that the Douglas PERFORMANCE was one of the greatest PERFORMANCES of all time. There is a difference...isnt there?

Like I said before, the "story" is well written: Cus D'amato was Tyson's mentor, his guardian, his motivation...D'amato gave confidence in Mike by saying that the reason why he (Cus), continued to live on was because he wanted to see Tyson become the youngest Heavyweight Champion, to be a success...when D'amato died, he wasn't able to see his promise to the end, but Tyson, with the guidance from Rooney, fought on in his memory, to reach and fulfill Cus D'amato prophecy that Tyson would indeed become the younget Heavyweight Champion. After Tyson won the title(s), he had nothing else to prove, he had reached and fulfilled his promise to Cus, so his motivation was gone. Douglas, started out as a fighter with little motivation for the fight game...he even gave fights away that he was winning...after losing fights he knew he should of won, and his baseketball future over, he devoted his time to boxing, geting in shape, and winning...the motivation in the background was his Mother...his Mother was everything to him, and he wanted to make her proud...when his Mother was worried about him fighting Tyson, Buster told his Mother not to worry, he was going to win...his Mother lit up with excitement and told her friends that Buster was going to win...Buster trained hard for the fight with Tyson, motivated to get into top shape, but something devastating happened, Buster's Mother would die and not get to see her son fulfill his promise...Buster was heart-broken, but his love for his Mother was so great, that the love would dull any Fear of fighting Tyson...he was as motivated as anybody could possibly be... By the time fight time came, Tyson, having already fulfilled his promise, was nowhere to be found, while Buster, at one time had little motivation, showed up determined to please his departed Mother...One man was full, the other was hollow. Excellent mate. Well written. It's just a shame that the version of Douglas that turned up against Tyson didn't turn up for the majority of his other fights. Wasted talent.

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, period. But can we actually consider it a robbery in a way due to that looong count? Same goes for Brewster-Krasniqi for instance - Lamon won, but what if he had lost that fight, it would have been a robbery, wouldn't it? Bullshit. That was not a long count. Tyson came in overconfindent, not motivated to train, partying on the town with Japanese girls while Douglas's mother had just passed away and was motivated to dedicate the fight to her. There was no pain in the ring for Douglas that night. It was his night.

Check out the speed at which the ref was counting when Tyson was down (YouTube has both knockdowns, and you can check the clock on the bottom), and I'm sure that you'll find the count was at just about the exact same speed as the count given to Douglas.

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, period. But can we actually consider it a robbery in a way due to that looong count? Same goes for Brewster-Krasniqi for instance - Lamon won, but what if he had lost that fight, it would have been a robbery, wouldn't it? :bs2: There was no long count. Buster kicked his ass, end of story.

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, period. But can we actually consider it a robbery in a way due to that looong count? Same goes for Brewster-Krasniqi for instance - Lamon won, but what if he had lost that fight, it would have been a robbery, wouldn't it? Yes. Tyson should of won

brewster did an incredible thing that night: he beat the very very crooked odds. losing on scorecards and his opponent getting ridiculously long and unfair counts, brewster finally put krasniqi away with an awesome left hook. it was like brewster said "how you gonna rob me when my opponent is unconcious, bitch?" . He did a good job of putting him away, but Krasniqi was beating him fairly up until he got caught. I'd favour Luan in a rematch, he wouldn't make the same mistake again. I actually think he's as good if not better than two of those ''champs''