Oscar the Bitch

I would love to see a fight with winky. I want to see how good Oscar will look against Winky. But the fight that should really happen is the floyd fight, and I would watch it the week after on regular HBO :)

Hey guys, I don't see why you guys are so bend out about the 30 mil trinidad is asking for. It's very simple. Trinidad is retired, Oscar called him out, if Oscar want Tito to un-retire again and fight him, he (Oscar) needs to pay for that. Now I really don't think DLH wanted this fight anyway, he wanted to give floyd a shake down for the negotiations but it backfired on him twice. 1. Tito said he would take the fight and 2. Floyd knows that he is in a good negotiation place after what Tito said. Now you guys say that Oscar should not pay the 30 mil to Tito because Oscar is the draw. I agree like everyone else that Oscar is the draw. But lets not forget who called who, who is retired. If the active fighter (Oscar) want the retired fighter (Tito) then oscar needs to shut his mouth pay up or stop calling Tito out. I agree as well. Oscar man up and take the only fight you should take(Floyd) or fight winky so he can add you to his list. Thats all bye bye :boxing:

Hey guys, I don't see why you guys are so bend out about the 30 mil trinidad is asking for. It's very simple. Trinidad is retired, Oscar called him out, if Oscar want Tito to un-retire again and fight him, he (Oscar) needs to pay for that. Now I really don't think DLH wanted this fight anyway, he wanted to give floyd a shake down for the negotiations but it backfired on him twice. 1. Tito said he would take the fight and 2. Floyd knows that he is in a good negotiation place after what Tito said. Now you guys say that Oscar should not pay the 30 mil to Tito because Oscar is the draw. I agree like everyone else that Oscar is the draw. But lets not forget who called who, who is retired. If the active fighter (Oscar) want the retired fighter (Tito) then oscar needs to shut his mouth pay up or stop calling Tito out. Totally agree with u.

Hey guys, I don't see why you guys are so bend out about the 30 mil trinidad is asking for. It's very simple. Trinidad is retired, Oscar called him out, if Oscar want Tito to un-retire again and fight him, he (Oscar) needs to pay for that. Now I really don't think DLH wanted this fight anyway, he wanted to give floyd a shake down for the negotiations but it backfired on him twice. 1. Tito said he would take the fight and 2. Floyd knows that he is in a good negotiation place after what Tito said. Now you guys say that Oscar should not pay the 30 mil to Tito because Oscar is the draw. I agree like everyone else that Oscar is the draw. But lets not forget who called who, who is retired. If the active fighter (Oscar) want the retired fighter (Tito) then oscar needs to shut his mouth pay up or stop calling Tito out.

Yes you are right Floyd is a blown up 147lb and if he fights at 154 he will be an even more blown up 154 pound fighter. 140 is a way better weight for him. He weighed 146 the night he fought Judah. So in reality he can still fight at 135 no problem even 130 if he wanted to kill himself to make weight like many other fighters. Floyds skills and in ring smarts is what allows him to do this though. That's why I say this fight comes down to Oscar and his ability to setup that Left hook and if Floyd can take it. If Oscar can set it up and catch Floyd with it and Floyd can't take it, Oscar will win by KO or TKO. If Floyd can avoid it and counter it Oscar will get beat no matter what weight its at. Floyd IMO is the most complete fighter Oscar is going to face no matter what weight it's at but it can also be said the other way around. Makes for an interesting match up. Oscar best man up and take the fight because most fans want to see what happens. Either man has a very good chance to win but both have to bring the A game. Agreed. Don't forget about Oscar's right hand (Vargas) and that quick jab also.

Just remember, Moseley and Sweet P were natural WW and LMW as well as Oscar when they fought, not blown up Jr WW like PBF. By no means is Oscar invincible, he has his flaws as well as PBF and all other fighters. IMO in order to beat Oscar, you gotta catch him out of shape (Sturm), be a busier opponent and take his shots (JJ Molina), or be a good boxer and stronger of the two (BHop). PBF is the better boxer, but he's a blown up WW. As he goes up to LMW he'll face Oscar who's way stronger, not that much slower, and is a proven puncher as well as boxer in that division. There's no way in hell PBF's speed, power and boxing ability be able to compete with Oscar on that weight, at 147, it would be a totally different fight. I see DLH by KO in the later rounds, giving PBF credit for his D and avoiding some of the punches. PBF has done well against stronger opponents like Castillo 2, but this time he's fighting in a division way above him. Yes you are right Floyd is a blown up 147lb and if he fights at 154 he will be an even more blown up 154 pound fighter. 140 is a way better weight for him. He weighed 146 the night he fought Judah. So in reality he can still fight at 135 no problem even 130 if he wanted to kill himself to make weight like many other fighters. Floyds skills and in ring smarts is what allows him to do this though. That's why I say this fight comes down to Oscar and his ability to setup that Left hook and if Floyd can take it. If Oscar can set it up and catch Floyd with it and Floyd can't take it, Oscar will win by KO or TKO. If Floyd can avoid it and counter it Oscar will get beat no matter what weight its at. Floyd IMO is the most complete fighter Oscar is going to face no matter what weight it's at but it can also be said the other way around. Makes for an interesting match up. Oscar best man up and take the fight because most fans want to see what happens. Either man has a very good chance to win but both have to bring the A game.

No way at that point in Sweet Pea's career was he fast still slick but not that fast and in no way is Pernell as good an Offensive fighter as Floyd. If he was Oscar would have lost that fight. Mosely has crappy defense. If he would have used some D against Oscar in both fights he would have won a helluva lot easier. At that weight (second fight) Mosely couldn't knock out anyone but a Damaged vargas. The first fight Mosely had power and it showed he landed the bigger shots and it did phase Oscar. Yes Oscar has a good chin but the question is can he out box Floyd, if he can't Land the big KO shots. Also in the Judah fight Zab was playing D and refused to punch back cause he was getting countered to death. Floyds KO's come from breaking fighters down and beating them with Accurate shots not one big punch. Floyd will cause Oscar problems just like Sweet P and Mosely did. Really Oscars only hope is his power and if he can setup and land that left hook flush. If Floyd can take that shot and still keep coming like Mosley did is the question. As far as boxing skills Floyd is more complete than Oscar and thats a fact. Hell Oscar still hasn't developed his right hand to be that effective a weapon. Don't get me wrong I like Oscar and think he has a chance but I dont think it's going to be as easy as you are making it out to be. Floyd has many advantages in this fight. Oscar is going to have to bring out his A+ game if the fight happens. Just remember, Moseley and Sweet P were natural WW and LMW as well as Oscar when they fought, not blown up Jr WW like PBF. By no means is Oscar invincible, he has his flaws as well as PBF and all other fighters. IMO in order to beat Oscar, you gotta catch him out of shape (Sturm), be a busier opponent and take his shots (JJ Molina), or be a good boxer and stronger of the two (BHop). PBF is the better boxer, but he's a blown up WW. As he goes up to LMW he'll face Oscar who's way stronger, not that much slower, and is a proven puncher as well as boxer in that division. There's no way in hell PBF's speed, power and boxing ability be able to compete with Oscar on that weight, at 147, it would be a totally different fight. I see DLH by KO in the later rounds, giving PBF credit for his D and avoiding some of the punches. PBF has done well against stronger opponents like Castillo 2, but this time he's fighting in a division way above him.

Let me try to understand your analysis since mine failed. You're saying PBF was sitting back and not getting off on the first 4 rounds because Judah was faster, is that it? It looked to me like PBF was a little bit concerned about Judah's power and getting stunned, not about his speed and getting outboxed. There's a lotta things you can do to neutralize speed which PBF wasn't doing. On a few occasions I saw PBF laying on the ropes and eating power shots from Judah. Lucky for him, Judah doesn't have much stamina, Oscar does. I also saw PBF catching glass jaw Judah with everything he had and not even putting a dent on him. DLH has a solid chin. Now lets take a look at your analysis of how PBF's speed will do against DLH, I consider Sweet P a faster, better boxer than PBF hands down and Oscar was able to outbox him and get the decision. On the second Mosley fight, Oscar beat him in the opinion of many and Mosley was a power puncher, punched a lot harder than PBF at 147, and had fast hands like PBF, what good did it do? What's different about PBF's speed that Oscar hasn't seen? No way at that point in Sweet Pea's career was he fast still slick but not that fast and in no way is Pernell as good an Offensive fighter as Floyd. If he was Oscar would have lost that fight. Mosely has crappy defense. If he would have used some D against Oscar in both fights he would have won a helluva lot easier. At that weight (second fight) Mosely couldn't knock out anyone but a Damaged vargas. The first fight Mosely had power and it showed he landed the bigger shots and it did phase Oscar. Yes Oscar has a good chin but the question is can he out box Floyd, if he can't Land the big KO shots. Also in the Judah fight Zab was playing D and refused to punch back cause he was getting countered to death. Floyds KO's come from breaking fighters down and beating them with Accurate shots not one big punch. Floyd will cause Oscar problems just like Sweet P and Mosely did. Really Oscars only hope is his power and if he can setup and land that left hook flush. If Floyd can take that shot and still keep coming like Mosley did is the question. As far as boxing skills Floyd is more complete than Oscar and thats a fact. Hell Oscar still hasn't developed his right hand to be that effective a weapon. Don't get me wrong I like Oscar and think he has a chance but I dont think it's going to be as easy as you are making it out to be. Floyd has many advantages in this fight. Oscar is going to have to bring out his A+ game if the fight happens.

And rightfully so, he deserves that. He has a WIN over Oscar. and what has Oscar done? Beat a shell of his former self AFTER TITO, who just so happens to have a belt at the time. It's true what Tito's dad said. Oscar is an oppurtunist. Deserve 30 Million??? HAHAHA no way. I would say Oscar takes in 40 Million for this fight and Tito walks away with a happy 20 Million. Regardless wether its a legitimate win or not (ITS NOT) Tito doesnt rake in the fans Like Oscar why should tito get the lions share or even the same?

No you didn't mention speed and that's why your analysis fails. Speed was a factor in why Judah could touch Floyd easier than most Fighters. Oscar wont have that advantage and you automatically assumed that Oscar would by even bringing that up. how can u say Floyds speed wont be a factor? Is it because Judah was faster than Floyd? If so that makes no sense because Oscar is in no way faster than Mayweather. Let me try to understand your analysis since mine failed. You're saying PBF was sitting back and not getting off on the first 4 rounds because Judah was faster, is that it? It looked to me like PBF was a little bit concerned about Judah's power and getting stunned, not about his speed and getting outboxed. There's a lotta things you can do to neutralize speed which PBF wasn't doing. On a few occasions I saw PBF laying on the ropes and eating power shots from Judah. Lucky for him, Judah doesn't have much stamina, Oscar does. I also saw PBF catching glass jaw Judah with everything he had and not even putting a dent on him. DLH has a solid chin. Now lets take a look at your analysis of how PBF's speed will do against DLH, I consider Sweet P a faster, better boxer than PBF hands down and Oscar was able to outbox him and get the decision. On the second Mosley fight, Oscar beat him in the opinion of many and Mosley was a power puncher, punched a lot harder than PBF at 147, and had fast hands like PBF, what good did it do? What's different about PBF's speed that Oscar hasn't seen?

I don't recall mentioning speed, did I? Oscar is a way better boxer, has more power, more experience and is the bigger guy. Why would he chase after PBF? We saw Judah was way faster than PBF at 147, I don't think PBF's speed is not gonna be a factor at 154. No you didn't mention speed and that's why your analysis fails. Speed was a factor in why Judah could touch Floyd easier than most Fighters. Oscar wont have that advantage and you automatically assumed that Oscar would by even bringing that up. how can u say Floyds speed wont be a factor? Is it because Judah was faster than Floyd? If so that makes no sense because Oscar is in no way faster than Mayweather.

Judah is a lot faster than Oscar so your analysis fails. IMO Oscar will have a hard time catching Floyd. If they fought and he did hit Floyd with one of those hard Left Hooks, I would like to see how well Floyd would take it. I don't recall mentioning speed, did I? Oscar is a way better boxer, has more power, more experience and is the bigger guy. Why would he chase after PBF? We saw Judah was way faster than PBF at 147, I don't think PBF's speed is not gonna be a factor at 154.

LMFAO!!! At 154 PBF doesn't stand a chance against DLH, he hasn't even tried the waters at that weight. Do you think he'll get a prep fight to gain some experience against a true 154 fighter before the DLH fight? NO. At 147 he struggled the first four rounds and got stunned by Judah until Judah got tired, imagine what one of the best 154 pound fighters of our era would do to him. I'm not sure if Tito would get massacred against DLH or not, he's been off for a while and DLH hasn't been that active either, but it DLH fights Tito both will make more money and Tito stands a better chance against DLH than PBF does. Judah is a lot faster than Oscar so your analysis fails. IMO Oscar will have a hard time catching Floyd. If they fought and he did hit Floyd with one of those hard Left Hooks, I would like to see how well Floyd would take it.

Im just going to assume its charlie21 and he found a new fighter to nuthug and claim people ducked for today. Types the same, and has no real points. Fact is Oscar doesn't want to fight a washed up Tito, who cares besides PRs? Or people who hate Tito and want to see him massacred? I'd rather see him fight PBF as it will be one of the best matches "on paper" in a longgggggggggg time. LMFAO!!! At 154 PBF doesn't stand a chance against DLH, he hasn't even tried the waters at that weight. Do you think he'll get a prep fight to gain some experience against a true 154 fighter before the DLH fight? NO. At 147 he struggled the first four rounds and got stunned by Judah until Judah got tired, imagine what one of the best 154 pound fighters of our era would do to him. I'm not sure if Tito would get massacred against DLH or not, he's been off for a while and DLH hasn't been that active either, but it DLH fights Tito both will make more money and Tito stands a better chance against DLH than PBF does.

Im just going to assume its charlie21 and he found a new fighter to nuthug and claim people ducked for today. Types the same, and has no real points. Fact is Oscar doesn't want to fight a washed up Tito, who cares besides PRs? Or people who hate Tito and want to see him massacred? I'd rather see him fight PBF as it will be one of the best matches "on paper" in a longgggggggggg time.

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Technically, Tito didn't do anything in his first fight with Oscar to deserve 30 million this time around and if Tito won't lower his price, it's cause he know's the same thing might happen again minuse the mistakes Oscar made, or he feels Oscar may knock him out....Because, Oscar mashed on Tito the first time around and Tito should be somewhat hungry to put that image of the bout behind him and redeem himself by takin this fight for a cool million in the teen's and let his fans know that he can beat Oscar...But no, instead this fight isn't gonna happen cause Tito is "ok" with gettin a gift decision. Oscar can deny the 30 mill to Tito and chill while knowing everyone else know's that he beat Tito the first time around. All this is a shame though..Cause this woulda been a good fight.. The funny thing is that Tito never mentioned Oscar's name after he became the man at WW and Oscar turned down 6 offers to fight him (Trinidad doesn't do the offers, King does). Now that we're waiting for a big show down between PBF and Tito, Oscar starts mentioning Tito all over and calling him out, the two of them obviously don't need the fight as they're both millionaires with good health and families. So, it must be REDEMPTION then??? HMMM, last time I checked, whether you like it or not, Oscar lost the fight. Does he really want redemption before retiring, or is he trying to fuck with PBF's head and fuck him over in the split like he does everyone else? :cool: Now that you mention "gifts", how long have you been following Oscar? I've been following him for a while as I'm a fan of his, and let me tell you, he lost against John John Molina, then against Quartey, then against Trinidad (argueably, me personally saw it a draw) and then against Sturm. He got three "lucky" decisions out of those four. I guess winning a gold medal for the US, and fighting there does have its benefits. :eek:

i'm not sure by "them" he's saying Puerto Rico but more Tito's team.. :rolleyes: if that is what your upset about..

I go along with most on this thread - Oscar De La Hoya ducked nobody. I can't understand how anyone can seriously claim that he did. Although i can see the attraction in a De La Hoya V Trinidad return it would go down in history as a rematch when both fighters were past their best, especially in Trinidad's case. I have mentioned on another post that it reminds me of the Leonard V Hearns rematch in that the fight was great to watch but you knew you were watching two fighters who were shadows of their former selves. In that respect, i think that Tito is asking for an excessive amount of money, i could understand him asking for such a figure as $30 million had the fight been an immediate return after the first fight. De La Hoya won't fight Trinidad on that reason alone... the money being talked about is ridiculous. De La Hoya certainly isn't avoiding Trinidad for any other reason, and IMO if the two did fight for a second time De La Hoya would stop Trinidad, and that would be a kind of retribution for him not getting the decision in the first fight. De La Hoya won at least 8 rounds in the first encounter IMO and if i get replies to the contrary i would like to know exactly what it was that Trinidad did to enable him to get the nod over De La Hoya. Sure, De La Hoya got on his bike for the last three rounds (which he received a lot of criticism for) but the fight was already won. Happy to discuss:)

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