Corrales-Castillo 1: STOP SAYING CORRALES CHEATED!!!!

tell that to his wife :o Quote: Originally Posted by wmute ask his wife hey, that's a private matter. i do not advocate or tolerate any kind of domestic violence, but you have to realize, a bitch will make a guy do the most craziest of things. plus who hasn't got into a fight with their girlfriend or wife and thought about knocking her head off, or even better her provoking you or him into a fight. they do that shit all the time. plus in almost any state on this country they always take the side of the female regardless if see started anything or not. and with that being said they usually always take the guy to jail, or both. and what a guy can't make a mistake in life, it's not like he is a repeat offender in that matter, that's the only dirt you can bring up, something that he has paid his debt on. cheap shot and the only shot you got. bitches make you crazy, like i said i don't advocate any of that mess, but i understand that a bitch can make you lose you mind!

Not making the weight isn't cheating, it's voiding an agreement or contract. Kind of like breaking a promise. Knowingly breaking a rule in order to gain an advantage is cheating. That is the definition and that is exactly what Chico did. I like Chico; I think he's one of the best fighters below 147 right now; but, I still think that what he did was cheating. If a fighter is about to go down and intentionally holds on to the ropes, he is cheating. If a fighter intentionally hits another below the belt, he is cheating. If a fighter spits out his mouthpiece to gain more time to recover, he is cheating. It's pretty simple, really. having your doctor use his foot to lighten you on the scales is CHEATING.......plain and simple. then to come in overweight twice, that's just plain disrespect all the way through. not to mention that castillo was banking on corrales to take the fight anyways, like in their rematch, that was a desperate attempt to try and get any way with another foul. a form of cheating in my book. either way it all goes down in controversy...........

Yup. That was a great fight and Alvarez came in 3.25 pounds heavy. Finito took the fight to prove he was the man and I thought he won easily. BTW, there is a big difference between 3 pounds for a 105-pound fight and a 135-pound fight. whats that difference?

Didn't Ricardo Lopez beat Alvarez after Alvarez came into the fight not making weight like Castillo? Yup. That was a great fight and Alvarez came in 3.25 pounds heavy. Finito took the fight to prove he was the man and I thought he won easily. BTW, there is a big difference between 3 pounds for a 105-pound fight and a 135-pound fight.

Neee-gro pleeease! When you AGREE to weigh in at 135 pounds and you come in heavy, you are not cheating, you are in breach of contract. It is not cheating to be 138.5 pounds the day before because the fight does not have to go on. Once the bell sounds for the first round, tho, and a fighter spits out his mouthpiece to get 23 seconds of extra time, THAT, my friend is cheating. I see the value of the tactic and I would also be willing to take a point deduction in order to make sure that I have no cobwebbs in my head and I can propperly defend myself, but that doesn't mean that the action is not cheating. The penalty for cheating, in this case, is to lose a point. Also, you have to admit that Chico outweighed JLC on fight night because JLC was not allowed to rehydrate as much as he'd like to. He had to weigh in again prior to the fight and couldn't be more than 147 pounds (Chico was 149). That gave Chico a HUGE advantage that he was able to capitalize on by KOing JLC in the 10th. That is not cheating, either, since Castillo first breached the contract and Chico had the right to change it. Yeah and Corrales STILL fought on the inside after fully knowing Castillo could have had a little more weight on his body to put behind his punch. Just like Castillo should have know Corrales could have got his head straight after that time he got for spitting out his mouth piece. Both were exaclty the same and should not be looked at as if this fighter cheated out the other alot more....Great post PRboxingfan.

I doubt that coming in 3lbs over on the day of the weigh-in gave him an "an enormous competitive advantage". Didn't Ricardo Lopez beat Alvarez after Alvarez came into the fight not making weight like Castillo?

If I had to choose between giving my opponent 10-15 seconds extra when he is knocked down or me be allowed to weight-in at a division above my opponent I will take the latter. I can't believe you guys are holding spitting out a mouth piece as equivalent to hidding the fact that you are coming into a fight 1 division over your opponent. Spitting a mouth piece out gives Corrales momentary respite. Castillo coming in at a different weight class gives him an enormous competitive advantage. If you can't see the difference then logic obviously plays no role in your assesment. Neee-gro pleeease! When you AGREE to weigh in at 135 pounds and you come in heavy, you are not cheating, you are in breach of contract. It is not cheating to be 138.5 pounds the day before because the fight does not have to go on. Once the bell sounds for the first round, tho, and a fighter spits out his mouthpiece to get 23 seconds of extra time, THAT, my friend is cheating. I see the value of the tactic and I would also be willing to take a point deduction in order to make sure that I have no cobwebbs in my head and I can propperly defend myself, but that doesn't mean that the action is not cheating. The penalty for cheating, in this case, is to lose a point. Also, you have to admit that Chico outweighed JLC on fight night because JLC was not allowed to rehydrate as much as he'd like to. He had to weigh in again prior to the fight and couldn't be more than 147 pounds (Chico was 149). That gave Chico a HUGE advantage that he was able to capitalize on by KOing JLC in the 10th. That is not cheating, either, since Castillo first breached the contract and Chico had the right to change it.

3.5lbs over does give someone an enormous edge. Ask Pac about fighting Morales at 132lbs instead of 130lbs. 138.5 is a jrWW not a LW. False Analogy......please. Killing is wrong under what pretext, is a soldier killing another soldier in battle wrong? Is someone killing a rapist while defending themselves wrong? ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Boxing Community has spoken and even Caesar an acknowledge Castillo fan lamented at Castillo's lack of professionalism and writers, boxers and fans around the world came down on Castillo worse because they acknowledge the difference. This is not about who screwed who the worse. It's as if you don't wana look at what Corrales did as cheating only because of what Castillo did to him.... :rolleyes: By your logic killing is ok as long as your willing to pay the consequences(and under any circumstance you pay for it somehow).....and what's this "under what pretext", its as if your just trying to find more ways to excuse "cheating" like saying, spitting out your mouth piece is ok if the other fighter is doing it also, cheating is ok if your health is at risk, cheating is ok because your opponent is trying to rip your head off. What Corrales did is cheating like I said over and over again. Oh and about the writers that you say are talking negative about Castillo, there is also others who defended Castillo and didn't point the finger at him....shit, even Corrales trainer is on Castillo's side, what does that tell you? Writers were also talking negative about what Corrales did in the first fight and also others who defended him, so that doesn't mean shit.

I doubt that coming in 3lbs over on the day of the weigh-in gave him an "an enormous competitive advantage". 3.5lbs over does give someone an enormous edge. Ask Pac about fighting Morales at 132lbs instead of 130lbs. 138.5 is a jrWW not a LW. Like I said above, Is killing someone wrong? Isn't it cheating someone out of their lives? Please answer this with a yes or no. False Analogy......please. Killing is wrong under what pretext, is a soldier killing another soldier in battle wrong? Is someone killing a rapist while defending themselves wrong? ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Boxing Community has spoken and even Caesar an acknowledge Castillo fan lamented at Castillo's lack of professionalism and writers, boxers and fans around the world came down on Castillo worse because they acknowledge the difference.

I doubt that coming in 3lbs over on the day of the weigh-in gave him an "an enormous competitive advantage".

I'm not validating what Corrales did either because what he did was wrong. But you can't compare that to what happened with the scale. Both "different situations", both "Cheating." You can't say one is cheating and the other isn't because you feel the other cheated him more. They both broke the rules, and won when doing so.

If I had to choose between giving my opponent 10-15 seconds extra when he is knocked down or me be allowed to weight-in at a division above my opponent I will take the latter. I can't believe you guys are holding spitting out a mouth piece as equivalent to hidding the fact that you are coming into a fight 1 division over your opponent. Spitting a mouth piece out gives Corrales momentary respite. Castillo coming in at a different weight class gives him an enormous competitive advantage. If you can't see the difference then logic obviously plays no role in your assesment. Like I said above, Is killing someone wrong? Isn't it cheating someone out of their lives? Please answer this with a yes or no.

I'm not validating what Corrales did either because what he did was wrong. But you can't compare that to what happened with the scale.

Just like you doing chin-ups on JLC's sack right? There's no reasoning with you; just look at your avatar & that sums up your opinion. You need to remove JLC's scrotum from your face & look at the facts. Your boy got KTFO & you're still chewing on sour grapes. His doctor tried to cheat for him & Corrales spitting out his mouth piece is comparable? I'm not even a fan of Corrales like that but I can see your man crush on JLC. You have to look at all of the other great fighters that have done similiar acts ti buy time: Ali with the ripping of his glove, Trinidad hitting Vargas below the belt to buy time because he was hurt bad, many more that have spit out their mouth pieces to buy time. Oh yeah, if I was hugging on Castillo's nuts than I'd be a dumb shit like you and say Castillo didn't cheat. I look at what Castillo did as cheating whether he came in heavy on purpose or nut. I guess I could come over to your house and murder your whole family, and expect you not to get made as long as I pay my consequences..........

Your joking right? Yeah I guess with your logic, we'd have alot more people doing the same thing Corrales did.....then if I was a fighter i'd have more things to plan when working my game plan like if im ever in trouble, I'll low blow my opponents as much as I can till I get a waring of disqualification(same with mouth spitting)..........:rolleyes: If you see it like that with Corrales then you should see the same for Castillo, Castillo paid for his fuck up by losing his title shot. I can't belive people actually see that Corrales move as an act or bravery instead of cheating........... :rolleyes: So if a poor man was desperate for money ,robbed a bank and got away with it you'd look at it as an act of bravery for himself? I'm trying to give you another example that dosen't have the name Corrales cause you seem to being holding on his nuts alittle to much. Just like you doing chin-ups on JLC's sack right? There's no reasoning with you; just look at your avatar & that sums up your opinion. You need to remove JLC's scrotum from your face & look at the facts. Your boy got KTFO & you're still chewing on sour grapes. His doctor tried to cheat for him & Corrales spitting out his mouth piece is comparable? I'm not even a fan of Corrales like that but I can see your man crush on JLC. You have to look at all of the other great fighters that have done similiar acts ti buy time: Ali with the ripping of his glove, Trinidad hitting Vargas below the belt to buy time because he was hurt bad, many more that have spit out their mouth pieces to buy time.

I have an idea, why doesn't every boxer who gets knocked down just spit his mouth piece out to get some extra recovery time? I mean, if you are going to lose a point due to a knock down anyway, you may as well lose an extra one for the purpose of recovering. If I had to choose between giving my opponent 10-15 seconds extra when he is knocked down or me be allowed to weight-in at a division above my opponent I will take the latter. I can't believe you guys are holding spitting out a mouth piece as equivalent to hidding the fact that you are coming into a fight 1 division over your opponent. Spitting a mouth piece out gives Corrales momentary respite. Castillo coming in at a different weight class gives him an enormous competitive advantage. If you can't see the difference then logic obviously plays no role in your assesment.

I guess I can go out and murder people as long as I pay the consequences if I get caught...........

what Chico did was no diff than a fighter taking a knee to buy some time. he gave up a point to get the KO. coming into a fight over weight however is a deff matter. When you take a knee it counts as a knockdown and you only get a 10 count. Corrales was knocked down and spit his mouth piece in order to get more time than just the 10 seconds.

I have an idea, why doesn't every boxer who gets knocked down just spit his mouth piece out to get some extra recovery time? I mean, if you are going to lose a point due to a knock down anyway, you may as well lose an extra one for the purpose of recovering.

what Chico did was no diff than a fighter taking a knee to buy some time. he gave up a point to get the KO. coming into a fight over weight however is a deff matter.