Top 5 Trainers In The Game????? History?????

top 5 right now imo in no paticular order dan birmingham joe goosen nacho beristain freddy roach manny(even though i dont like him his stable speaks loudly of how he trains) of all time angelo dundee cus d'amato gil clancey ray arcel eddie futch my favorite trainer of all time, is Teddy Atlas, just love what hes about, his corner instructions, insights, regiment, he keeps it real and if i could have anybody train me it would be him...

McGrit is up there .... :lol1: :lol1:

Panama Lewis was pretty good until he got banned.....

Amato, Dundee... among recent Steward and Roach. Floyd Sr? i'm not sure. this year most of Buddy's fighters are losing in fights where they were favorite to win. Either he's losing it or it's just not his year. :cool:

McClellan beat Roy Jones before he went with Steward. Thanks your right, your speaking of the amatuers I suppose.

I misunderstood you meant current crop of his fighters. Then I agree with luistwentyone. Eddie Futch wasn't the original trainer of alot of his fighters him and Emmanuel make them better. Lewis wouldn't be great without Manny.

Hearns, McCrory, Jimmy Paul, Gerald Mclellan, Michael Moorer and now this new Johnathan Banks Cat.

naw, hell no, this guy is not a terrorist ! ya know why jews have big nostrils ? . . . . BECAUSE THE AIR IS FREE !!!!!!!!! lol - for as racist as you are, you can't NOT laugh at that joke!

DEFINITELY ! 1. Ignacio "Nacho" Beristain 2. Nacho Huizar 3. Tiburcio Garcia Manny Steward is way over-rated you know beristain, is derived from the israeli name, berisberger .. hence making nacho, i hate breaking this news to you, luisito, half israeli. again, evidenced by nachos jew hook nose.

ricardo finito lopez. rafa marquez. juanma marquez. fukk that, nacho beristain is THEE best trainer out there.

Jeff Fench? Asian man?? LOLOL I rate trainers like this....I mean, for example, Dan Birmingham had a year where Winky beat Tito and Lacy did real well and all of a suden he is the trainer of the year... ok, fine. But I am willing to bet Joe Calzaghes trainer doesnt get the trainer of the year award even though his boxer put on an all time great performance in beating Birminghams guy. I mean, how many people even know who Calzaghes trainer is? If the roles were reversed Dan would be the trainer of the year again. It's probably favortism by american media at work but it is also just smoke and mirrors. What I mean is, just because a guy wins the trainer of the year award or the fighter of the year for that matter it doesnt mean he is the BEST. It means only that he had a real good year. If Freddy Roach is better than Birmingham, for example, then he is better than him no matter what awards Dan wins and vice versa, no? It's like when Roy wasn't doing enough to win the 'fighter of the year' award... he was still a better fighter than whoever was winning it. There is no way to say who is the best trainer or who is a great trainer because EVERYTHING depends on the relationship with the fighter. Plenty of so called great trainers worked with Tyson but only Kevin Rooney had real success with him. Were Ronnie Shields and Tommy Brooks and Jeff Fenech NOT good trainers because they didnt do well with Mike? Its like if I train Mike and he does great then I am a great trainer but if he doesnt do good then I am not? NO. The trainers knows what he knows...he needs a fighter he can relate to, that will listen and exceute. And another thing that most do not realize and cannot understand.. just because you heard of a guy that doesnt mean he is a great trainer...and just because u never heard of a guy it deosnt mean he ISN'T. U know?? People throw names around of famous trainers as being the best and they often dont truly know one way or another if the guy is good or not. They are sometimes just going by what they hear from writers etc. People say so and so is a great trainer. I ask HOW do you know? They say... well, everybody says so. I agree with what you say. I dunno, I just like the way Fenech cares about his fighters. He is a very hands on guy who works hard to motivate his fighters. I dunno, he probably doesn't deserve it based on anything hes really accomplished, but he hasn't exactly had the greatest talent thus far. Dan Birmingham has shown that he can create world class talent with Wright and Lacy. He makes fighters, most of these trainers nowadays just steal the fighters from other trainers. You can't get a fucking title shot without the right connections, it sucks. Angelo Dundee, Buddy McGirt,? You gotta be kidding me! Lou Duva isn't even a trainer, I don't know what people are talking about. He was working the corner of my boy Antonio Espinoza. Its funny, I didn't see him in training camp, he only showed up the night of the fight to be in the spotlight. He just wants the fame, but doesn't put in any kind of work.

Thanks for letting me know it was George Francis. I heard he killed himself a few years ago. From what I have read he was great.

Jeff Fench? Asian man?? LOLOL I rate trainers like this....I mean, for example, Dan Birmingham had a year where Winky beat Tito and Lacy did real well and all of a suden he is the trainer of the year... ok, fine. But I am willing to bet Joe Calzaghes trainer doesnt get the trainer of the year award even though his boxer put on an all time great performance in beating Birminghams guy. I mean, how many people even know who Calzaghes trainer is? If the roles were reversed Dan would be the trainer of the year again. It's probably favortism by american media at work but it is also just smoke and mirrors. What I mean is, just because a guy wins the trainer of the year award or the fighter of the year for that matter it doesnt mean he is the BEST. It means only that he had a real good year. If Freddy Roach is better than Birmingham, for example, then he is better than him no matter what awards Dan wins and vice versa, no? It's like when Roy wasn't doing enough to win the 'fighter of the year' award... he was still a better fighter than whoever was winning it. There is no way to say who is the best trainer or who is a great trainer because EVERYTHING depends on the relationship with the fighter. Plenty of so called great trainers worked with Tyson but only Kevin Rooney had real success with him. Were Ronnie Shields and Tommy Brooks and Jeff Fenech NOT good trainers because they didnt do well with Mike? Its like if I train Mike and he does great then I am a great trainer but if he doesnt do good then I am not? NO. The trainers knows what he knows...he needs a fighter he can relate to, that will listen and exceute. And another thing that most do not realize and cannot understand.. just because you heard of a guy that doesnt mean he is a great trainer...and just because u never heard of a guy it deosnt mean he ISN'T. U know?? People throw names around of famous trainers as being the best and they often dont truly know one way or another if the guy is good or not. They are sometimes just going by what they hear from writers etc. People say so and so is a great trainer. I ask HOW do you know? They say... well, everybody says so.

To me, the mark of a great trainer is one that can take a fighter from the amateurs and make a success out of him. Also, they need to be able to take control of a fighters mind and make him overcome any mental weaknesses that could hold him back in a fight. Here is my list for all time great trainers. 1. Eddie Futch 2. Emmanuel Steward 3. Ray Arcel 4. George Benton 5. Don Turner The best in the sport nowadays. 1. Dan Birmingham 2. Freddy Roach 3. Jeff Fenech 4. Nacho Beristain 5. Joe Goosen

I don't recall actually seeing J Maxwell yet, is he any good? Yeah, he is 11-1 with a controversial loss very early I think maybe his second fight. He is a middleweight but similar to Hatton at welterweight in that he is a little undersized in terms of height and reach. Very explosive to body. Also I know Patricks real last name, Maxwell was not his original and I believe he might've had another last name for a fight or 2 but for some reason they changed it again to Maxwell. Anyway I see him similar to Hatton but a bit more polished. So probably closer to Castillo because he actually boxes well from the outside when he choses to or is taking a round off for rest. Here is a link to his Boxrec page: http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=16145

Duff was no trainer. I'm sure he means George Francis. Jimmy Tibbs is my favourite British trainer, of my lifetime. I think he's the man.Yeah, I think you're right. He's not referring to Duff. Just as you posted your rejoinder, I had second thoughts and edited my post to say that Mickey is known by many people as matchmaker. But he did indeed had a career as trainer/matchmaker for small fights (after a brief stint as sewing machine salesman) at the time when Jack Solomon dominated big time British boxing. I just made a wild guess (that's why I posted it with a question mark) knowing Duff's involvement in the fighters I mentioned.

Cornelius Boza Edwards trainer he was British and had all the great black brits for a time. Any help on his name would be apprieciated.Mickey Duff? He was involved with Boza-Edwards, Mugabi, Conteh, Winstone and Minter, among others. Edit: Some people know Mickey as matchmaker, though. So, I'm not sure he's the one you're looking for.:o

The 1974 ABA North West Counties welterweight champion walked into the original Phoenix Gym in Salford (not the current one at Betta Bodies) in the Autumn of 1988 with his kitbag ready to start boxing again, but his old buddy Phil Martin threw him the bodybag and pads and told him to forget about boxing again but to help him out as a trainer instead. In the mid-70's, Graham had 12 wins and 2 losses as a professional boxer, then competed in a lot of 'smokers' (unsanctioned fights) in the late 70's before calling it a day. Graham started working with Steve Foster and Ensley Bingham in January 1989, and vast improvement was shown in both boxers over the next few years with Graham eventually leading them to world title shots by the mid-90's. Graham had took over the gym himself in the early 90's and had a gym-full of champions and prospects, with no helpers. He had taught himself how to be a trainer. The bodybag and pads were always out, the gym always had fighters in it with Billy taking a slamming alday as he brainwashed them with his technique while they were hammering away at him. He was training more fighters than any other trainer in the country, and always improving them. Maurice Core was the first fighter to turn pro under Graham, and Graham led him to a European title shot. He's trained his share of world-level fighters like Ricky Hatton, Michael Brodie and Carl 'The Cat' Thompson. He's also trained the likes of Andy Holligan and Pat Barrett to world title shots. He helped Mark Winters with his technique. He created a very good prospect called Mark Haslam who fell out with Billy and left him after a fight with Tommy Peacock, Haslam did nothing after getting rid of Billy. John White was another very good prospect that Graham created, but he got thrown in prison. He took Michael Gomez on in 1998 and moulded him from very raw material into a multiple champion. He trained Wayne Rigby to his wins over Hugh Collins and Tanveer Ahmed, Rigby replaced Billy with another trainer (Bobby Shannon) for a fight against Bobby Vanzie and lost (and did nothing after getting rid of Billy). His rules have always been simple: he refuses to train any fighters who smoke (even though he smokes himself!), he refuses to train any fighters who won't use weights, and he refuses to train any fighters who aren't straight with him. His current stable includes the likes of Ricky Hatton, Matthew Hatton, Matthew Macklin, Anthony Farnell, Stephen Foster (Steve Foster's son), and Patrick J Maxwell. I would say that Billy Graham is the best 'attack-minded' trainer that Britain has ever seen, and he has a very advanced boxing brain. Look at that job he did with Ricky Hatton, he single-handedly learned Ricky how to effectively work off opponents leads and thread punches through small gaps. He single-handedly learned Ricky how to move his head on the way in and throw a little jab on the way out. He single-handedly learned Ricky how to shift his position and step around to open an opponent up. He single-handedly learned Ricky where to place his body shots to have the best effect. Ricky had none of those tools in the amateurs (Graham didn't start training Hatton until December 1986), he was a heck of a talent as an amateur but over the years with Billy his skills became super-advanced. I actually know Patrick J. Maxwell and his brother, and he has sparred with Hatton and we have discussed before about who would win Hatton vs PBF with him debating from the side that Hatton would beat PBF at 10 or 10 1/2 stones. Anyway yeah, I see how you can think that Graham is a good trainer and I dont argue that but he is currently no where near as great and Elite a trainer as some of the others already mentioned, he has 1 elite fighter. The same way that PBF senior isn't considered a great trainer yet. I would still say that based on the performance of there fighters that Graham isn't an elite trainer the way Stewart, Goosen, Roach, McGirt, Futch...etc are or were. Perhaps he will develope into that and Patrick will become an Elite figthter and further enhances Grahams stable but presently, IMHO he is not an Elite Trainer. BTW thanks for the info on Graham it was a good read and nice to see Patrick's name up there :D.

I have a feeling we are leaving off some great non american trainers. Nacho Beristain, The Mexican Professor whose name excapes me, Brusa from Argentina, and Cornelius Boza Edwards trainer he was British and had all the great black brits for a time. Any help on his name would be apprieciated.

I think Ruby Goldstein was a referee, not a trainer. He reffed Griffith-Paret. From what I have read Chickie Ferrara was a great trainer. :o Yeah, I meant Charlie Goldman....brainfart. Sorry 'bout that.