I like Maskaev, he won fair and square in their first bout. But this time will be totally different, since The Rock is a better fighter now than he was back then.
By the way, I am willing to bet up to 700 million points on this. ;)
I don't care who will win, I'm rooting for Maskaev. Why? Because Rahman is a bigger, stonger man with more left in his career and a belt strapped around his waist. I've never cared for the blaize attitude of Rahman, either. The, "Oh,well, suppose I lost..." or "Gee...I...guess I was a bit weaker...". I need a certain level of confidence from my boys.
I want the hard nosed foriegner to win. Why? So that Americans become overwhealmed with holding no belts and focus on training some guys worth a shit. Find us another good heavyweight. Rahman is wasting time as the "American"heavyweight. We need to lit a fire under the asses of the American boxing community by having no stake in the division before we see a big turn around.
Testify!!!
A fine statement all round. The only real plus of Rahman winning is that he has said that he would go on to fight Wlad (or try to unify the two more respected belts).
In so many other sports the top players and stars are in their twenties these days. Why does boxing have these slow, aging lumberers at heavyweight? New blood please.
dude, not to give you a hard way to go, but no way you had Toney winning that fight. Rahman definitely won 7 rounds and you could argue he won 8. No way Toney won more than 6. Just no way.
I had it 6/5 & 1 even for Toney, & i just rewatched it cause someone else had brought it up on another thread, Rahman never stopped working & pushing on Toney, but I had Toney landing the cleaner more effective punches, & Toney defense was probably the only thing that didn't look bad becuase of his weight, he was still rolling away from those shots, & on the inside he was hitting Rahman at will.I don't see how it's so hard to imagine considering that 2 judges had it a draw, but hey I think Hopkins beat Taylor so maybe I'm biased cause i like both their styles.
I don't care who will win, I'm rooting for Maskaev. Why? Because Rahman is a bigger, stonger man with more left in his career and a belt strapped around his waist. I've never cared for the blaize attitude of Rahman, either. The, "Oh,well, suppose I lost..." or "Gee...I...guess I was a bit weaker...". I need a certain level of confidence from my boys.
I want the hard nosed foriegner to win. Why? So that Americans become overwhealmed with holding no belts and focus on training some guys worth a shit. Find us another good heavyweight. Rahman is wasting time as the "American"heavyweight. We need to lit a fire under the asses of the American boxing community by having no stake in the division before we see a big turn around.
i didnt think the toney fight was boring
i personally thought it was one of the worst fights of the year.
there is no real appeal to me in a heavyweight fight where you know by the end of round 2 that there is no way anyone is going to even be seriously hurt much less knocked out.
umm what do you call david tua and monte barrett? i mean it was a draw with tua but no one really believes rahman didnt win.
tua has fallen off now pretty much but looks to be coming back slowly. but anyway then he was one of the top guys for sure. and barrett had some great wins against guinn (when he was udnefeated) and owen beck when he was undefeated.
barrett sucks and he didnt even put up a fight, he basically lost on purpose in exchange don king has given him a title shot against nicolai valuev.
I think Rock has looked downright awful in his last two fights.
If you could sit there with a straight face....and say the way he fought against Toney was a positive indicator: I'd say you have the best poker face on the planet.
He looked sluggish, and his fights against Barrett and Toney were boring and amateurish.
I agree with this. It looked to me like Rock could have cranked it up and really put it on Toney at any time, and just didn't. It was like they fell into that dreaded old "silent agreement."
But there won't be any silent agreement with a big white Russian dude who already KO'd him. If Maskaev wins, Rock will not get a lucrative rematch like he would with Toney. Maskaev will have beaten him twice, the end. Bye, Rock. That's why it won't happen.
I hate to be so cynical, but that's how it breaks down for me. Rock's back is up against the wall, he's the better fighter overall, and he's not facing his homie or another American contender he can easily get a rematch with if it's close or if he loses. He's fighting for his career, now.
so why are you picking him? I'm not going to hype Rahman up because this is and should be an easy fight for him. I'm still hyping Rahman for outboxing James Toney like I said he could. I was the only one (other than Roy Jones Jr.) who saw that. I said Rahman was the only guy in the division who could give Toney trouble and he did.
I think Rock has looked downright awful in his last two fights.
If you could sit there with a straight face....and say the way he fought against Toney was a positive indicator: I'd say you have the best poker face on the planet.
He looked sluggish, and his fights against Barrett and Toney were boring and amateurish.
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If Rahman does in fact knock Maskaev "out for good", please don't start the Rahman talk right after the fight.
He's fighting a guy who always was a carpenter, and now he's an older carpenter.
Oleg is a great guy, but he's never been anything special outside of a big puncher.
so why are you picking him? I'm not going to hype Rahman up because this is and should be an easy fight for him. I'm still hyping Rahman for outboxing James Toney like I said he could. I was the only one (other than Roy Jones Jr.) who saw that. I said Rahman was the only guy in the division who could give Toney trouble and he did.
I really think anybody picking Maskaev is just a Rahman hater or someone who fails to realize how good he really is. Rahman had him almost knocked out in the 6th round of the last fight, but Maskaev lost his mouthpiece. Maskaev caught him with some good lucky punches that ended up finishing Rahman. The way Rahman fought Toney, I don't see how anybody can pick Maskaev. Rahman fucking outboxed James Toney. He will beat Maskaev up with his jab for about 6 rounds and knock him out for good.
If Rahman does in fact knock Maskaev "out for good", please don't start the Rahman talk right after the fight.
He's fighting a guy who always was a carpenter, and now he's an older carpenter.
Oleg is a great guy, but he's never been anything special outside of a big puncher.
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I really think anybody picking Maskaev is just a Rahman hater or someone who fails to realize how good he really is. Rahman had him almost knocked out in the 6th round of the last fight, but Maskaev lost his mouthpiece. Maskaev caught him with some good lucky punches that ended up finishing Rahman. The way Rahman fought Toney, I don't see how anybody can pick Maskaev. Rahman fucking outboxed James Toney. He will beat Maskaev up with his jab for about 6 rounds and knock him out for good.
Oleg by UD!It's just an honest prediction.Im not a hater or huge fan of either man.And I realize that Rahman's a good fighter when he brings his A game.I think either man has a good shot.This isn't exactly Gatti versus Mayweather IMO.
I don't like neither of them, whoever gets knockedout i'll be satisfied, Rahman is prolly looking for revenge because the knockout punch delivered by Oleg in the 1st matchup was fuking devastating...
Rahman definitely isn't in his prime, he hasn't looked the same since the Ruiz fight. I think at least part of that has been his lack of motivation and proper training. IF Rahman comes in prepared and ready to fight, I don't think its too suspenseful and he wins. But Rahman is totally unpredictable, you don't know whether he will KO the HW champ or get beaten by the quiet man. Even early in his career he was inconsistent and unfocused, he was beating Tua on all the cards in their first fight and allowed himself to get caught with a big punch. I guess my point is that Rahman is the better fighter but is unpredictable so who knows what will happen.
Rahmans not the fighter he was five years ago IMO.He's slower and inactive in many rounds.Since the Ruiz loss,he has struggled with Al Cole,beaten Kali Meehan and a few bums,looked horrible against Barrett,and had a decent performance against Toney.Where Oleg has looked great lately.Although against lesser compeition.Either way,im picking Oleg by close UD.I think he will simply outwork Rahman.
This is where it's at, right here.
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Guys, I know Rock has looked like crap, and that Maskaev looked good outboxing Sinal Sam. But please don't let that fool you into wasting money betting on Maskaev. Rahman has been known to phone in performances before, but this is a huge fight, with a lot at stake, and Rock knows all he has to do is put pressure on Maskaev with the jab and the fight's over with. Rock's opposition has been pretty good, even though his performances have been lackluster, whereas Maskaev hasn't really fought anyone at the top level in many years. I think Rock will be able to pull out one more Meehan-type of performance before Wlad puts him to sleep in the unification and essentially ends his career.
I think Toney was just slow with the combos & had bad balance with all that weight he put on, but his defense was still impecabale in that fight, & Rahman fought hard for i'd say 10/12 round, and looked real good against someone that's hard to look good against(I had Toney by 1 point, so i think the draw was fair). I think that if Toney would have been 10 pounds less he'd have won, but Rahman came in there to win & IMHO he could give any HW a hard fight.
dude, not to give you a hard way to go, but no way you had Toney winning that fight. Rahman definitely won 7 rounds and you could argue he won 8. No way Toney won more than 6. Just no way.
I really think anybody picking Maskaev is just a Rahman hater or someone who fails to realize how good he really is. Rahman had him almost knocked out in the 6th round of the last fight, but Maskaev lost his mouthpiece. Maskaev caught him with some good lucky punches that ended up finishing Rahman. The way Rahman fought Toney, I don't see how anybody can pick Maskaev. Rahman fucking outboxed James Toney. He will beat Maskaev up with his jab for about 6 rounds and knock him out for good.
I think Toney was just slow with the combos & had bad balance with all that weight he put on, but his defense was still impecabale in that fight, & Rahman fought hard for i'd say 10/12 round, and looked real good against someone that's hard to look good against(I had Toney by 1 point, so i think the draw was fair). I think that if Toney would have been 10 pounds less he'd have won, but Rahman came in there to win & IMHO he could give any HW a hard fight.
this fight will end in ko in the late rounds, in a not so good maybe mildly entertaining fight, ill put my money on oleg though since he has KO'd rahman before
Rahmans not the fighter he was five years ago IMO.He's slower and inactive in many rounds.Since the Ruiz loss,he has struggled with Al Cole,beaten Kali Meehan and a few bums,looked horrible against Barrett,and had a decent performance against Toney.Where Oleg has looked great lately.Although against lesser compeition.Either way,im picking Oleg by close UD.I think he will simply outwork Rahman.
Oleg hasnt looked better then Rahman by any means, he beat a few bums including samil sam, neither guy has been impresive as of late...
Um, Maskaev is 37, and was never that good to begin with. So yes, Rahman certainly should be able to win this fight. If he can't, he should flat out retire.
As for their first bout, Rahman was ahead, but only by a point or two. Maskaev was doing very well in the fight, and it was an exciting fight the whole way through. It's not like Rahman was cruising and just got caught with one big punch out of the blue. People say that, and others repeat it, and I wonder if they've watched that fight. It was very good fight, very back and forth, and close. And Maskaev had him hurt for about a full minute in that last round, and was able to cut off the ring, not allow himself to be held, and polished him off with a the punch at the end that everybody remembers.
Rahman will win, and probably easier than some expect. All he has to do is put some pressure on Maskaev and move him backwards with the jab. Fights over. Maskaev has to be moving forward to be effective, and he's not strong enough to do that with Rock anymore. The good news is it will probably be exciting while it lasts.
Rock by TKO 3.
Its a toss up for me, but I slightly favor Rahman, he looks focused and in great shape. I think this fight will be a war surprising a lot of people, I dont think it will go more then 8-9 rounds...
Rahmans not the fighter he was five years ago IMO.He's slower and inactive in many rounds.Since the Ruiz loss,he has struggled with Al Cole,beaten Kali Meehan and a few bums,looked horrible against Barrett,and had a decent performance against Toney.Where Oleg has looked great lately.Although against lesser compeition.Either way,im picking Oleg by close UD.I think he will simply outwork Rahman.
If Oleg is to win it will have to be by KO. Im pretty confident one way o another this fight will end in a KO. They both have enough power to KO each other.
Heres why, Oleg has a weak chin and is older, it wont take much to catch him. and Oleg cant outbox Rahman, unless he fights the way he did against that Samil Sam.
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