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The quote is a bit of an exageration but it's still not way off base. RJJ was a decent boxer with ridiculous physical attributes as an athlete. i agree with that.. i'll always take an Al Bernstein comment to heart

Same thing I've always said: he should have spent more time learning to box rather than playing basketball. He got by on his physical skills to the point where he lost his edge, and he didn't have the skills to cover-up his weaknesses, so the wheels just fell off....

I agree 100%. You can't argue with Bernstein when it comes to boxing. Roy Jones never learned any of the fundamentals in boxing. Watch any old Jones fight up until around 1998 and all the commentators talk about is how he's unorthodox and just insanely athletic, but not a great boxer. It's absolutely true, and his losses will hurt his legacy because he waited so long to step it up. He does not have enough names on his resume to say he's an all time great beyond current damage.

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Everyone' just over analyzing... boxer, fighter, athlete... lolz... RJJ was one of boxing's best in his generation!!! that's a fact! a sure hall of famer. if people only see his losses, then they missed the RJJ who dazzled boxing fans!

Who ever wrote that comment needs professional help.

I think Bernstein has a point, perhaps a bit exaggerated like someone else stated but pretty good point. Roy Jones was a great athlete and a great fighter but an average boxer. If Roy Jones had the sound boxing fundamentals of a James Toney or Bernard Hopkins he would still be undefeated right now. His athletcisim while diminished form its original Freakiness is still above average for most boxers. His speed and reflexes are still sharp, even when he was knocked out by Tarver you could see that his hook was the quicker of the 2 but his was too tight and Tarver caught him. I see PBF as being similar to Roy Jones in athleticisim but what PBF has that eclipses Roy is one of the most sound understandings of boxing which will carry him after his athletcisim have diminished UNLIKE Roy.

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Jones didn't jab, because he didn't need to jab. He did 'everything' technically wrong, becuase his way of doing it worked much better. The problem he runs into is that he's lost the attributes that made him successful, and has to reinvent himself at such a late age. He still fights with his hands at his waist, and is smaller than everyone he fights. It's not a good spot for him to be in now that he's older. Am I the only motherfucker that gets turned on when a chick spits out a little boxing knowledge...damn this bitch knows her shit. Nice post girl.

Jones didn't jab, because he didn't need to jab. He did 'everything' technically wrong, becuase his way of doing it worked much better. The problem he runs into is that he's lost the attributes that made him successful, and has to reinvent himself at such a late age. He still fights with his hands at his waist, and is smaller than everyone he fights. It's not a good spot for him to be in now that he's older.

Roy's a great fighter..no doubt..but the last couple of losses will somewhat taint his career..you have to admit that that was a huge landslide in his career, probably one of the worst in recent memory. Now if he had won the 3rd tarver fight, then that would add to his legacy, but losing the way he did made it seem like he lost his heart to fight, and people will remember that. That is a really good point. Even if Roy were to win the LHW championship back in impressive fashion, I think people would still remember the image of him layed out on the canvas after the Johnson fight with an ice pack under his head. I have nothing against Roy, but I always think it is sad when a great athlete and competitor continues to compete long after their prime. Same thing with Sugar Ray Leonard although his legacy wasn't damaged by being KO'd by Terry Norris.

Roy's a great fighter..no doubt..but the last couple of losses will somewhat taint his career..you have to admit that that was a huge landslide in his career, probably one of the worst in recent memory. Now if he had won the 3rd tarver fight, then that would add to his legacy, but losing the way he did made it seem like he lost his heart to fight, and people will remember that.

Man, Willie Pep never needed to block or parry a punch. He was the best at getting out of the way of punches. Roy Jones is the same way except he did it more modern and he used more athletecism. i don't see the point in bashing him just because he didn't do it like everyone else. I think you take it like it's an insult. It's not like people are saying, "Fuck RJJ for doign it that way." Nobody can blame him or suggest he did something wrong. Any boxer with his reflexes and speed should've fought the way Roy fought. But at the same time, that's why people can say he used his athleticism to the max rather than boxing skill. He probably could've had great boxing skill, but he didn't need it. It's more like pointing out a fact than trying to be insulting or complementary.

I don't know what you guys are talking about. Just because he wasn't 'orthodox' and he did everything 'wrong' doesn't mean he wasn't well-schooled. Ask Scully if he thinks Roy Jones was schooled. And contrary to belief, Roy Jones could jab, he ALWAYS feinted (which is rarely used today), and he rarely got hit because he knew all the old school tricks and his reflexes were superb that it allowed him to always get out of the way. Yes exactly he used tricks and reflexes... not technical boxing skill. And you are right, his feints were excellent otherwise he would have had to use a jab. I think Bernstein's point is just that if he had developed those skills even if he didn't want or have to use them it would have served him better later in his career.

People also only say this when Muhammed Ali was the exact same way. I always hear people talk about how Ali was a technically gifted fighter but he was a guy who CONSISTENTLY only threw 1-2's, he was an arm puncher (for all you who don't know this means that he had no leg drive when he threw punches), and he had his hands down. Completely hypocritical. Roy Jones could throw every punch in the book. Uppercut, left hook, right hand...you name it...and he threw them incredibly straight with precision. The only thing he did wrong was he always crossed his feet when he worked on the inside. His style was modern and what alot of fighter's even today try to mimic, it's ironic that people are bashing him for it but never Ali. I totally agree with you about Ali. I would say the same thing about Jermain Taylor today. There are very few true "technical" boxers in the recent game. The only person I would really even consider a great "boxer" today is Mayweather. I want to include Wright but his lack of offense makes me think he is too limited. I guess my point is that this isn't an insult more than a commentary about modern boxing.

The quote is a bit of an exageration but it's still not way off base. RJJ was a decent boxer with ridiculous physical attributes as an athlete.

"RD: Do you think Roy Jones’ legacy will be hurt by his recent losses? Bernstein: Yes it will. It will because it’s proof positive of something I’ve said many, many times. Roy Jones is a great athlete; he’s not a great fighter. Never has been a great fighter. He never made himself a great fighter. He didn’t work at his craft hard enough to be a great fighter. But he’s a great athlete, and so he ended up being great in the ring. When his quickness and some of his physical skills started to fail him, he had nothing else left to go back to. He didn’t have the technique."ESB 2004 interview ................................................................. If Roy was great in the ring that would mean hes a great fighter. People fight when they are in a boxing ring. Roy did win mostly because of his athletic ability but he used his athletic ability to win fights which makes him a fighter. Roy makes alot of technical mistakes but to say he was not a great fighter, and then say he was great in the ring makes no sense. Maybe I'm analyzing it too much. Roy was a great fighter to me but not a great boxer. No doubt he was one of the best fighters of the recent era and his capture of the HW title should not be quickly overlooked. That being said, I agree with Bernstein that he did rely too much on athleticism and got away from boxing fundamentals. RJJ never really used a jab and never worked on his defense. He relied on being quicker and more athletic than his opponent and being able to land power shots. When he was near his peak, even with his technical shortcomings he was unbeatable.