RJJ decisioned a bum... What's new?

PEOPLE SAY he looked his old best people he actually threw punches had good handspeed an also showed his old confidence He didn't have his old speed or agility nor did he have his old confidence. If you noticed, he looked pretty wary in that match. Almost as if he thought he was going to suffer another knock out. So, here's what I don't get about you RJJ fans. You love the guy an insane amount and are extremely rabid about him, as well as delusional. ;) However, you guys insult him with comments like this. Saying the old RJJ was back in that match is like saying that RJJ has always been an average boxer who was afraid to get hit and couldn't really do much when pressed. I dislike RJJ but even I'll admit that he looked better years ago.

i understand but there is no other word 4 u , you dislike jones and always have , you dont have 2 take to heart people being excited by Jones lookin quite good in his comeback It is very stupid to label anyone who dislikes a boxer or anyone for that matter a "hater". This is not a ghetto, nor is it some rap video. There's no need to use idiotic slang or phrases such as that. RJJ did not look like his old self in that match. However, for some reason, a lot of people believed he did. Now, I don't like RJJ at all, but I will admit that he looked better in the past and I don't understand how people who actually like him can say he looked like his old self in that match. That's pretty insulting to RJJ, don't you think?

cynical stop hating on RJJ who is saying hes back Ah yes.. "hating". The usual reply of someone who can't address a comment in any other fashion. Did you not see the tons of threads saying "he's back" or "RJJ IS THE GREATEST!" or "RJJ CAN BEAT ANYONE IN LHW" or "RJJ SHOULD FIGHT CALZAGHE"? So stop trying to label everyone with a different opinion as a "hater" and actually read and understand what's going on. ;)

than if sturm comes back and beats a "bum" than dont praise him. if floyd gets beat and he comes back and fights a "bum" dont say he is still the best fighter P4P. when taylor beats up on a conternder dont lable him as the next best middleweight champ. if this was floyd maywheather this would be ok nothing would be wrong with it. if this was sturm nothing would be wrong with it. but since for some reason you dislike jones so bad that you have to diss him at everything he does. so when this is one of your boxers i am assuming you boxer has a perfect record or you would dump him to does this than dont say oh this guy is great or whatever. every boxer when losing like RJJ did has a comeback fight a tune up fight. what would you have said if RJJ would have beaten glenn johnson in that fight? there goes RJJ beating another bum. so dont even comment on shit like that bc your wrong bc glenn johnson would have been a bum if he lost to RJJ in that fight. I never said I was a fan of Sturm, Floyd, or Taylor. In fact, I'm not, I just used them as examples. I understand him fighting a bum for a comeback. What I don't understand is how people can sit here and in all seriousness say that because he beat a bum (they won't admit that ajamu is a bum) that the "old RJJ" is back and that he can beat anyone. That is pure delusional bullshit. If he were to go against Glen Johnson right now, he'd be beaten again. So, to say you want to put him against the "elite" of the division right now is like saying you want to see RJJ seriously injured. I'll admit that I dislike RJJ and that I pretty much always have. However, that is not why I made this topic. I made this topic to remind everyone of what was really going on. RJJ is not "back", he's lost quite a bit, he beat an insignificant bum, and if he were to go against better opposition, he'd be beaten yet again.

Oh please. If someone other than RJJ had faced the bum formerly known as prince and people were hyping him, you'd be saying the same shit I am. However, because you are a fan/lover of RJJ, you'll be here countering my posts with your fanboy love and fantasies. Of course you're not going to call prince a bum, because if you did there would be no reason for you to say that RJJ is "back". When RJJ takes real fights, he puts himself in danger which is why he avoided a lot during his career. See what happened when he stepped up a bit? He got KTFO twice! If you want to praise him for beating a bum, fine, just don't change your tune when Sturm or someone else "on a comeback" fights a bum and is praised for it. than if sturm comes back and beats a "bum" than dont praise him. if floyd gets beat and he comes back and fights a "bum" dont say he is still the best fighter P4P. when taylor beats up on a conternder dont lable him as the next best middleweight champ. if this was floyd maywheather this would be ok nothing would be wrong with it. if this was sturm nothing would be wrong with it. but since for some reason you dislike jones so bad that you have to diss him at everything he does. so when this is one of your boxers i am assuming you boxer has a perfect record or you would dump him to does this than dont say oh this guy is great or whatever. every boxer when losing like RJJ did has a comeback fight a tune up fight. what would you have said if RJJ would have beaten glenn johnson in that fight? there goes RJJ beating another bum. so dont even comment on shit like that bc your wrong bc glenn johnson would have been a bum if he lost to RJJ in that fight.

Roy Jones is just your typical above-average HOF. That's what happens when he amassed wins over bums mostly and lost a lot of important fights against good fighters. That's because you are so proud to be gay!!!! :D

Your name is PBF, and Castillo is my 2nd favorite fighter. Although I never liked him til I thought he was robbed vs PBF. We will go nowhere with this, and you know this...MAAAN! (^_^) And hey, we can talk about Ouma...he said he'll fight the winner of Forrest-Quartey, after he dominates Powell. Whatchoo think about that? Im taking Forrest by UD, and I think Forrest Ouma is a pick em fight if Forrest looks sharp against Ike, which I expect him too.

Your name is PBF, and Castillo is my 2nd favorite fighter. Although I never liked him til I thought he was robbed vs PBF. We will go nowhere with this, and you know this...MAAAN! (^_^) And hey, we can talk about Ouma...he said he'll fight the winner of Forrest-Quartey, after he dominates Powell. Whatchoo think about that?

"There's no use in talkin bout this anymore. We have our minds set." Ya but theres nothing else to talk about. Plus, its an enjoyable thing to argue about.

Sure he was, and he had been for years. Merchant's scorecard wasn't the one they used anyway, it was Harold Lederman's. Even if Floyd said before the fight that he wanted to leave HBO (which I never heard or saw) that doesn't mean Lederman would score differently. Anyway, there's no use in talkin bout this anymore. We have our minds set. That is an example to prove that Floyd was NOT "HBO's boy" because he was far from it at that point. Yet you said that because he was "HBO's boy" they WOULD score the fight differently, it goes both ways.

"There's no use in talkin bout this anymore. We have our minds set."

You don't understand. If one guy is working more, lands the HARDRER shots, and lands at LEAST or more shots than the other guy, then HE is the effective aggressor. Floyd's 'aggression' did not pay as much dividends as Castillo's. Floyd was not able to do what he normally does and should have lost. Most people realize that. But you have your mind made up and that's fine. Becuase Floyd didnt look as good as he normally did and was not able to totally dominate does not mean he deserved the W. There were many rounds that were clear for Castillo, and fewer that Floyd clearly won. However, in the rounds where they landed a similar amount of shots, Floyd threw less. Mayweather also had the better defense, was the cleaner puncher, and in the early rounds, controlled the pace of the fight.

Sure he was, and he had been for years. Merchant's scorecard wasn't the one they used anyway, it was Harold Lederman's. Even if Floyd said before the fight that he wanted to leave HBO (which I never heard or saw) that doesn't mean Lederman would score differently. Anyway, there's no use in talkin bout this anymore. We have our minds set.

Even HBO scored against their boy Mayweather in that fight. I never got to see all of rematch, just some of it. Castillo more than deserved a rematch though. It was at that time that Mayweahther had called Merchant a donkey or something condesending of that nature. He then said he wanted nothing to do with HBO. That all changed later, but he sure as hell wasnt their "boy"

Even HBO scored against their boy Mayweather in that fight. I never got to see all of rematch, just some of it. Castillo more than deserved a rematch though.

You don't understand. If one guy is working more, lands the HARDRER shots, and lands at LEAST or more shots than the other guy, then HE is the effective aggressor. Floyd's 'aggression' did not pay as much dividends as Castillo's. Floyd was not able to do what he normally does and should have lost. Most people realize that. But you have your mind made up and that's fine. I'm just coming into this thread right now so I might have missed something (please don't bite my head off). But the problem a lot of people have with this fight don't bother me. Yes Mayweather landed less punches and Castillo definitely landed the harder shots. Castillo won the rounds he won much more decisively than Mayweather won his rounds. Nonetheless, I had Mayweather winning 7 rounds to Castillo's 5. The 5 that Castillo won definitely were clearer victories but I don't think there is any way you could give more than 6 rounds to Castillo. Definitely a close fight, but that is why I respect that Mayweather gave him an immediate rematch.

You don't understand. If one guy is working more, lands the HARDRER shots, and lands at LEAST or more shots than the other guy, then HE is the effective aggressor. Floyd's 'aggression' did not pay as much dividends as Castillo's. Floyd was not able to do what he normally does and should have lost. Most people realize that. But you have your mind made up and that's fine.

Uh, yes punches thrown do matter. if you aggression is effective, then that helps you out on the cards, period. if two guys land the same amount of shots, but one guy is getting the better of it and also throwing more shots, then he deserves the fight. Now if the limited shots Floyd were landing had a good effect on Castillo, then it'd be a different story. Think about what you are saying. If two guys land the same amount of shots, but one throws more shots, who is the more effective agressor?

Uh, yes punches thrown do matter. if you aggression is effective, then that helps you out on the cards, period. if two guys land the same amount of shots, but one guy is getting the better of it and also throwing more shots, then he deserves the fight. Now if the limited shots Floyd were landing had a good effect on Castillo, then it'd be a different story. If you throw less, more accurate punches, you are the more effective agressor.

Uh, yes punches thrown do matter. if you aggression is effective, then that helps you out on the cards, period. if two guys land the same amount of shots, but one guy is getting the better of it and also throwing more shots, then he deserves the fight. Now if the limited shots Floyd were landing had a good effect on Castillo, then it'd be a different story.