I was just watching some old Mosley fights yesterday and dude was a straight beast. He dominated at 135 and then jumped straight to 147. He was still great at 147 but you could tell that he wouldve been a monster at 140 and near impossible to beat.
PBF has moved up quickly since he was at 130 and is now doing well at 147 but you can tell that he has not fully filled into the weight and was perfect at 140. You could argue that he mightve been better at the other weight, like 130 but his body was perfectly filled out at 140 while he looked somewhat drawn at the other weights.
Its a hard question to ask since Shane never fought at 140 and Floyd was only there for 3 fights but who do you think would win between the Floyd that seemed dominant against Gatti and the Shane that was just running through guys and knocking them out?
Shane looks hard to beat because his speed was unmatched, he threw those amazing flurries, and had crazy power. Those left hooks to the body were murder. Just watching that you would have to pick Shane. But then the more you think about it, my pick would change to Floyd. Floyd was easily the more complete fighter.
Shane never was a true defensive wizard and mostly just used his speed to try to backup when you threw but mostly his offense was his defense. I think Floyd could hit Shane alot and his defense would allow him to block alot of Shane's shots. Speed wise Floyd has fought some fast guys but Shane has never fought anyone with Floyd's speed so I would give him the advantage as far as being able to deal with the speed.
Overall this is a great mythical matchup and I think couldve been one of the greates fights of all time when you look at the style. So much speed & skill in the ring. I would go with Floyd by a close UD and maybe a SD
Floyd's kind of power at 140 is not the kind of power you need to keep Mosley off you. He was a fucking beast man.
He'd just rush out there....and attack you with lightning fast flurries. He might have been the most impressive jr welter I've ever seen.
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Mosley at the lower weights was nothing like what he is today, and many people even today give Shane a fair chance to beat Floyd. At 135-147, Shane threw fierce combos and had great stamina. He also had very good power...much better than Floyd's p4p. His speed is also just as good as Floyd's at that weight. If Castillo can do what he did, Shane can certainly get a KO over Floyd at that weight.
You took the words right out of my mouth. This is exactly what I feel would have happened if the fights happened in the prime of both fighters. The Mosley of today is nothing like he was in the past. He has yet to drop back down to 147 and show any signs of his former self.
Lets say that they are even in speed, skill, heart, and chin. Mosley then has the advantage in size, power, and strength. Floyd's advantages are he is easily better then Shane at defense and he is the supereior technical boxer. Floyd also had pop too at 140
I think I rather have Floyds strengths over Shanes. Now lets go to that all important "intangibles" catagory. This one to me isnt even close. Floyd has shown to be the far more smarter boxer, has shown the far better ability to adjust during a fight, and has the better trainer.
I think its not all that impossible to see Floyd coming out on top based on those things.
Mosley is a different beast. Gatti was shot to pieces and a human punching bag, something that ANYONE (even C class bums) can hit. Floyd obviously is a worldclass boxer but Gatti was a human punching bag. Corley was a small 140 pounder and the same goes for Brusseles.
Chavez was a non stop pressure fighter but Mosley was stronger, faster, better foot speed, got hit less, more power, bigger, almost as fast, etc etc..he had that American style that would give Floyd FITS.
You are aware you said mosley was faster and almost as fast in the same sentence, right?
Mosley is a different beast. Gatti was shot to pieces and a human punching bag, something that ANYONE (even C class bums) can hit. Floyd obviously is a worldclass boxer but Gatti was a human punching bag. Corley was a small 140 pounder and the same goes for Brusseles.
Chavez was a non stop pressure fighter but Mosley was stronger, faster, better foot speed, got hit less, more power, bigger, almost as fast, etc etc..he had that American style that would give Floyd FITS.
Those guys were still 10x better then anyone Mosley fought until Oscar. Sugar basicaly got his name for beating up on cupcakes and now most say that he never warranted the name Sugar.
Mosley was a beast and wouldve still beat alot of great fighters anyway but all Im saying is that people get too caught up in guys like him because they are pure offensive monsters but pretty much all fighters like him end up losing because they are not complete fighters and you saw that happened to him later on.
He will always look much better then anyone else against a average boxer but when he fights a elite guy then his flaws can be exposed while Floyd has a better chance of adjusting because he can do more things. Shane was a monster but you cant argue that he wasnt one demensional and thats something that Floyd isnt.
I'm saying those guys are huge and those are the only fights where he really got hit alot. He was outgunned because Winky/Forrest were much taller then him and had crazy jabs.
Floyd would stick and move Mosley all night. Just like he did with Castillo, right? LOL. Floyd didn't have the power to hurt a flea at 140, not to mention a tough, strong, HUNGRY fighter who can dish it and take it.
No way Floyd beats prime Mosley.
Seriously.
Floyd has no power at 140, he didnt even phase Gatti with his shots or stop Brussles or drop Corley twice.:rolleyes:
Like he did with Chavez, and like he did with Castillo the second fight.
Either way, I'm a fan of both boxers. I would still like to see them fight each other right now. IMO, PBF should be Mosley's last bout. I'd rather pay to see that match than PBF vs. Margarito...
LOL, DLT you act like Shane Mosley is some scrub who gets hit by punch after punch. He's been hit alot of times vs. Forrest (6'1'' welterweight who had one of the best jabs in the business and a clinical uppercut/right hand) and Wright (best jab in the business, he proved his worth vs a big, strong, hungry Jermain Taylor).
DLT, I don't think you realize how big of an issue size is in boxing. Mayweather was a little wimp compared to Mosley. Mosley can match him speed for speed and can punch more. He also can bull him, rough him up and Mayweather wouldn't be able to fend off Mosley.
This is a mismatch. It's funny because Mosley fought an awesome fight vs. DLH the first time at PRIME (keyword ---prime) DLH's best weight and MOVING UP from 135 to 147.
What are you talking about? Vernon dropped him twice and had him hurt and actually "screaming" a bunch of times. Winky also pushed him around and shook him alot. I wasnt saying anything like Shane has a weak chin, anyway.
You say size is a issue but its not like Floyd didnt have solid size at 140. Mosley wouldve been bigger ofcourse but thats not the end all of a fight, espically when your talking about a great fighter.
You talk about Mosley beating a prime Oscar but its not like Oscar was the greatest fighter ever. Oscar was very good but he lost to Tito. Even if you think he really beat Tito, you could easily argue that he lost to Quartey and everyone thought he lost to a ageing Sweet Pea. A couple of fights later he was killed by Forrest and went 6 straight fights without getting a real win.
Im not acting like Shane is a scrub. How can I act like that when I think Floyd was a beast at 140 and I still said that he may only win by Split Decision. I think you are the one who is acting like Floyd is a scrub. I said nothing bad about Shane like you just said about Floyd.
Floyd wouldve been a little wimp compared to Shane? I think you underrate Floyd's boxing ability and defense way too much if you think Shane will just run through Floyd. If you think he will just run through Floyd then you must think he was the greatest fighter ever at those weights. Shane was awesome but he still beat up on all cupcakes until he fought Oscar and he was killed by Forrest. To say that Floyd wouldve beat Shane is not unreasonable.
If you say Shane would win then I can understand that but anyone on here who says that Shane will just run through him and KO him like he did some other guys who arent half as good as Floyd is a joke.
All that stick and move stuff from Floyd is crap and Im sick of guys saying that. Now that he has fully converted to his Uncle's style he will never fight like that again unless he is fighting somone much bigger then him. Im telling everyone now that he wont stick and move against Margarito and he wont do it if he fights Shane right now, let alone at 140 where Shane wouldnt be much bigger then him. He may box some but no way he fights like he did against Castillo anytime after the N'Dou fight and thats including if he ever fought Castillo again
LOL, DLT you act like Shane Mosley is some scrub who gets hit by punch after punch. He's been hit alot of times vs. Forrest (6'1'' welterweight who had one of the best jabs in the business and a clinical uppercut/right hand) and Wright (best jab in the business, he proved his worth vs a big, strong, hungry Jermain Taylor).
DLT, I don't think you realize how big of an issue size is in boxing. Mayweather was a little wimp compared to Mosley. Mosley can match him speed for speed and can punch more. He also can bull him, rough him up and Mayweather wouldn't be able to fend off Mosley.
This is a mismatch. It's funny because Mosley fought an awesome fight vs. DLH the first time at PRIME (keyword ---prime) DLH's best weight and MOVING UP from 135 to 147.
Floyd would stick and move all night long.
I dont get what your point is when you mention that he got hit alot vs Forrest and Wright.
Forrest dropped him twice and Winky has zero power.
I've met Shane and the guy has some really broad shoulders.. I think Mosley at 140 would be stronger and may be just as quick as PBF. Shane has a really good chin that has withstood the likes of De La Hoya's left hook. I saw PBF struggling against Zab in the first four rounds, even being knocked down (his glove had touched the floor) until Zab faded. Shane has more endurance than Zab. I say even right now at the age of 30+ (35 I believe?). PBF has a really great defense and a plethora of offensive tactics. In the end I would say, Shane by close decision.
People always bring up the Zab fight but anyone can see that Zab was on his game that night and when he's on his game then he has just as much skill as anyone in boxing, including a prime Shane. Then the main part that everyone forgets is that Zab is a lefty. No one ever talks about that, like it doesnt count for anything. Thats why he gave Floyd problems ealry until he figured him out.
Also, please stop talking down about Floyd's chin because that flash knock down against Zab. You act like he had Floyd hurt. His glove touched the ground because Zab caught him off balance as he was coming in and that again is something only a Southpaw can do. Zab didnt wear down, Floyd just figured him out and that was it. How can you say he wore down win he didnt win one round after the 4th. No one wears down by the 5th round.
Also, alot of people still pick Mosley now but thats not just because they think Shane is better. They just think Shane is too big for him. Not one person who picks Shane to win thinks he is pound for pound a better fighter. Shane just looks solid at 154 while Floyd cant even make 147 and should still be at 140. Thats why some still pick Shane to win now and nothing more
Shane was a bad boy but alot of you get too caught up in the excitment. Sure Shane was super flashy and that always makes him look better then everybody but the fact is when you have a guy who is a overall pure boxing genius in the ring then no one is going to run through him like you guys say.
Its like you can have 2 guys who are undefeated and one may be super exciting and dominates everyone but the other guys is boreing and still dominates but just in a different way. When you think of them fighting in your mind the exciting guy will always win because he just looks so great but when they really get into the ring together, you can see that the boreing guy isnt undefeated for no reason and he has alot of skills to netuarlize this excitng guy.
Shane was very exciting but Floyd's overall skill and ability would give Shane mad problems. You guys never count D for anything but that is huge and Shane has none while Floyd is the best and that turns the tides in Floyd's favor easily if you ask me
I've met Shane and the guy has some really broad shoulders.. I think Mosley at 140 would be stronger and may be just as quick as PBF. Shane has a really good chin that has withstood the likes of De La Hoya's left hook. I saw PBF struggling against Zab in the first four rounds, even being knocked down (his glove had touched the floor) until Zab faded. Shane has more endurance than Zab. I say even right now at the age of 30+ (35 I believe?). PBF has a really great defense and a plethora of offensive tactics. In the end I would say, Shane by close decision.
Obviously Floyd is faster and has better defense, but Mosley has good power and works to the body very well.
It would come down to who can adjust to thier opponent and exploit their weaknesses efficiently, and ill put my money on Floyd to do that.
Mosley at the lower weights was nothing like what he is today, and many people even today give Shane a fair chance to beat Floyd. At 135-147, Shane threw fierce combos and had great stamina. He also had very good power...much better than Floyd's p4p. His speed is also just as good as Floyd's at that weight. If Castillo can do what he did, Shane can certainly get a KO over Floyd at that weight.
floyd hands were messed up in both castillo fights and the sosa fight
Mosley at the lower weights was nothing like what he is today, and many people even today give Shane a fair chance to beat Floyd. At 135-147, Shane threw fierce combos and had great stamina. He also had very good power...much better than Floyd's p4p. His speed is also just as good as Floyd's at that weight. If Castillo can do what he did, Shane can certainly get a KO over Floyd at that weight.
I've met Shane and the guy has some really broad shoulders.. I think Mosley at 140 would be stronger and may be just as quick as PBF. Shane has a really good chin that has withstood the likes of De La Hoya's left hook. I saw PBF struggling against Zab in the first four rounds, even being knocked down (his glove had touched the floor) until Zab faded. Shane has more endurance than Zab. I say even right now at the age of 30+ (35 I believe?). PBF has a really great defense and a plethora of offensive tactics. In the end I would say, Shane by close decision.
good post. i think mosley would be way too much for floyd
I've met Shane and the guy has some really broad shoulders.. I think Mosley at 140 would be stronger and may be just as quick as PBF. Shane has a really good chin that has withstood the likes of De La Hoya's left hook. I saw PBF struggling against Zab in the first four rounds, even being knocked down (his glove had touched the floor) until Zab faded. Shane has more endurance than Zab. I say even right now at the age of 30+ (35 I believe?). PBF has a really great defense and a plethora of offensive tactics. In the end I would say, Shane by close decision.
I'll bet you all the points I have that if Floyd fights Mosely, he'll win.
i will be happy to take your points if this fight goes down. but mosley is good so floyd wont fight him.