Roy Jones Jr. still has the speed and agility,but not the stamina

No, he doesn't have the reflexes. Too much basketball when he should have been training.....

he needs to just go to heavy weight and stay there... cause his muscle mass is too large to fit the light heavyweight profile anymore...

if it was all about the lucky punch and fear factor of that punch, then why did he have such a hard time with tarver in their first meeting??? Trust my experience and analitical throughts about this issue folks. Stamina is key to why he is not throwing his combinations freely anymore. He just looks tired as hell once he stays in the corner for too long... Just look at his face when he was fighting glen johnson. He runs out of steam early on. His punch output is soooo much less than his past and even then..... EVEN THEN.... he still runs out of steam in the 11th or 12th rd. That is a fact my friends....

Jones was not the same fighter after cutting that weight and dropping back down from Heavyweight. Anyone who suggests that the Jones who fought Tarver was anywhere near the fighter he was 2 or 3 years earlier is doing so out of ignornace and or spite.

That is what I said in the beginning, Roy Jones has what Max Kellerman says he has post fighter cuncust syntrome. which means when a fighter is knocked out that they rely on their defense and are afraid to get hit and when they get hit they open themselves up. Look at John Ruiz, he tries to survive fights with that jab and grab style. It may be boring and cheating but it gets the job down and he wins, Ruiz is a pretty good fighter, almost beat Vaulev ________ ExtasyGirl

The weight loss is very overplayed as an excuse. The reason is 90% mental. You can see that when he was in the middle of the ring at times against Tarver, even in the third fight, he was in another class. His handspeed, his quickness, everything was there. But he's just too gunshy, afraid to put punches together after the KO's. It happens to fighters all the time. Styles make fights, and motivation as well. Roy never really wanted to fight Tarver, because it was a nothing fight- nobody cared about Tarver. Tarver is a guy who I'd pick half of the top-10 LHW's to beat- Erdei, Briggs, Adamek, hell... even Woods would probably beat him now. There's a bunch of MW's and SMW's who would beat him as well: Calzaghe, Lacy, Taylor, Wright, maybe even Abraham, etc. Tarver was very smart about picking his fights, talking up fights, and dropping the belts and fighting easier fighters for money, rather than tougher fighters in title defenses. That's the business. Tarver does have the money now, but will never be considered great or have any sort of legacy beyond landing, what history will probably remember as, a lucky punch.

Plus you just can't reschedule a fight, whatever day you have it on you fight that day, or risk losing your cut of the money, being charged a percentage of your purse, and lawsuits. Once you sign on that is it. Damn I thought you would know. :rolleyes: ________ Washington Dispensaries

Weight and muscle loss is never an excuse for a prizefighter who schedules his own fights. If he can't make weight in healthy fashion by a certain date, change the date. It's that simple. its not that simple. if u are never the same no matter how well u train, then its either fight, or quit boxing.... Nothing is just simply black or white

Weight and muscle loss is never an excuse for a prizefighter who schedules his own fights. If he can't make weight in healthy fashion by a certain date, change the date. It's that simple. At that age, it factors in an athlete's preformace for the rest of their career. Once again, all you're doing is illusrating what an angry little kid you are with nothing better to do than come to a boxing forum to spout the same ignorant and biased agenda. Find something new to talk about, because your ignorance is as boring as it is sad.

I know a thing or two about body mechanics... and I know a thing or two about boxing. And the first post on this forum is right on the money and I tell you why. First off, anyone here who says that Roy Jones was not a gifted fighter is definitely hating. Did he dodge some fighters throughout his career? Sure... but so does everyone else. Some his doing, some not. I dont know the details in every situation, but I can definitely say that some evading was not done by him. Second, he has probably one of the fastest and the sharpest reflexes in boxing. Now... We all know the trasition to his slump was his rise to heavy and fall to light heavy. But here are the technicals. Just look at his body physique today, and his physique prior to turning heavy. Most notably, his back is wider as he has a blocky frame unlike his old days when he was a slim and cut looking athelete. What I noticed that made him technically superior was not just his speed and reflexes... it was also his ability to make you tire in the ropes as he was able to evade assaults at close quarters... and immediately, showboat in extremely accurate punches. Roy Jones of today tires against the ropes. You can see it in his first fight with Tarver. You can see it in his fight with johnson. And if anyone saw rd 5 in his last meeting with Tarver, you can see how easy it is for him to beat tarver. I believe Tarver would of been another glen kelly... another clint woods... but because if this deficit that incurred with the sharp decrease in stamina, his demise is coming way too early. And Tarver got 5 minutes of fame that should not have in the first place. But its ok... thats boxing. Trip ups, bad decisions by fighters, and bad judging can make or break a fighter... while having nothing to do with talent and skill. Hense why we have this fictituous P4P list. So how can we get a fresh roy jones back? He definitely needs to be a heavy weight once again. And with the division the way it is today, I believe that a good 3 year commitment to it can put him on top and a heavy weight champion again. Stamina is not much of an issue as it is in the lighter weights since the big guys dont move as much. Throwing one much at a time and less combos is more acceptable in the heavy weight division... just look at lennox lewis. He was a jab jab right cross kind of fighter. So to conclude... if he wins this july, moves up, and fights like a heavy, we'll have several more years of roy jones... and maybe he'll even touch the P4P list again.

Weight and muscle loss is never an excuse for a prizefighter who schedules his own fights. If he can't make weight in healthy fashion by a certain date, change the date. It's that simple.

Jones lost 20+ pounds of muscle at 34 years old. That's something you don't get over. When you combine that with the fact he's a fighter that relied on reflex his whole career, it's easy to see why and when he clearly slipped. Ali and Leonard were both cut from the same cloth, and both of them slipped significatly at and after 35 years old when they began to lose some of their reflex. It couldn't be anymore obvious: http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/dantzu/JonesWeight.jpg

sence jones dropped from heavyweight...he looks tired the whole time if u watch tarver vs jones in rd 5 ..roy usually could fight like that for 12 rounds..not any more

Weight loss is never an excuse, nor is muscle loss. You have plenty of time to get ready for the fight and be in good shape. If you're not, reschedule the fight. It's simple. Weight/muscle is never a valid excuse. Hopkins is a better fighter than Tarver. I know, he is better than Tarver, but Tarver wasn't the same tarver we seen against Roy Jones Jr., he was so weak and drained he couldn't even fire three punches without getting tired. You could see how Tarver's body was skinny'er than it used to be. ________ PinkSweets

No **** :eek: ________ Elvina cam

If you don't believe that weight loses caused it then look at the Tarver vs. Hopkins. I am not trying to make excuses for Tarver, but look how drained and weak he was, he didn't even throw when Hopkins was on the ropes. Shit he only won one round. Weight loss is never an excuse, nor is muscle loss. You have plenty of time to get ready for the fight and be in good shape. If you're not, reschedule the fight. It's simple. Weight/muscle is never a valid excuse. Hopkins is a better fighter than Tarver.

The fact is Jones is about 75% of the fighter he once was, once a guy is KOed or beat down like Jones has been his last 3 fights something is lost maybe not physically but mentally and if youve watched say his last 6 fights youll see what i mean! Jones fought Clinton Woods and looked liked the RJJ we grew acustom to and thought would be the greatest ever. He then fought Ruiz a little bigger a little slower but with the same intensity we grew acustom to. However he then fought Tarver back at that Clinton Woods weight but AGAIN a little slower and this time not with that intensity (which i contribute to him takeing the fight in only 8 months and having to drop close to 20 pounds) but still he pulled out a close but damn near impossible win if you watched the fight! He then comes back only 6 months later and is KOed in 2 rounds, thus the downfall of Jones has emerged.... So i dont think his lost his staminia ablity or even speed but his lost his intensity that drive to dominate opponents and its evident, i will also say 9 months is not a lot of time to recover from 3 straight beatdowns against opponents a FOCUSED and INTENSE RJJ would have destroyed. Thus i think his next fight will not be as easy as many analyst and boxing fans are hopeing for,i still see him winning but wont throw and draw or upset out the window!

If you don't believe that weight loses caused it then look at the Tarver vs. Hopkins. I am not trying to make excuses for Tarver, but look how drained and weak he was, he didn't even throw when Hopkins was on the ropes. **** he only won one round. ________ _xDiamonDx_

Hopkins :D :boxing: (incase anyone cares what he thinks): "Roy Jones was always a super talented fighter, but he didnt have the fundamentals, the basics that i always had. He had the blinding speed and all the fancy moves that he got away with when he was young, but once his legs started to diminish he didn't have the fundamentals to fall back on and he fell pray to anybody and everybody. You see Bernard Hopkins, i be slipping, weaving, feinting and ducking whereas Roy would just lean right back. Roy never had to use the basics." B-HOP knows what he's talkin' about, karma on the post hurlex

Jones would have never been KOd had it not been for losing the weight, which made his reaction time just that much slower. You're right lil Hopkins. Muscle loss scientifically does affect stamina and the ability of your muscles to perform. Roy does not throw combos anymore and when he does he starts to breathe heavy. Watch Roy at 168 and observe his virtuoso combos...and how he barely breaks a sweat after throwing 'em. Thank You :cool: ________ ChooseMe live