Roy vs Tarver 5th round: Roy's last hurrah?

Forget RJJ ducking Hops. How about Dariusz? Did Dariusz ever offer to come to the US and fight Roy Jones???

You're a right fuckin idiot if you think Roy was anything but serious in his prime. You can judge him on Tarver # all you want. And Roy rarely ever 'talked shit' about others. He only bigged up himself, aside from whem pressed by Toney and Hops. Even for Toney, alot of his talk was just "we will see in the ring" and that type of thing.

He plays to the crowd way too much and acts surprised when he loses. Roy has never acted surprised when he lost. Ever.

I find him to be a moron who should drop all the bullshit and actually put some focus into training and boxing and stop trying to play to the crowd all the damn time with his dancing in the ring and the shit he talks before, during, and after matches. You're a right fuckin idiot if you think Roy was anything but serious in his prime. You can judge him on Tarver # all you want. And Roy rarely ever 'talked shit' about others. He only bigged up himself, aside from whem pressed by Toney and Hops.

Forget RJJ ducking Hops. How about Dariusz?

Because there was doubt about who really should have won. Also, his hand was broken? Is that a fact or just something he said? That fight had no controversy. It was a normal decision. No one in their right mind has every tried to convince anyone that Hopkins won...

That's an excuse right there! I bet that if Hopkins had accepted it, there would have been another excuse as to why he wouldn't fight Hopkins. RJJ just thought way too much of himself and I think he had geniune doubts of himself against certain fighters. Which is understandable. He didn't want to be exposed or shown up. Like I said earlier, he'd be great in the WWE. Thats not an excuse. Bernard denied the bigggest payday of his career. It is clear that B-hop is the one doing the ducking.

Because there was doubt about who really should have won. Also, his hand was broken? Is that a fact or just something he said? Fact too short of a message.

He took Hopkins the first time even with a broken right hand, why should he take him again? Why should he have to go out and prove to people he could beat him again, even when he beat him very convincingly the first time? Because there was doubt about who really should have won. Also, his hand was broken? Is that a fact or just something he said?

money talks in boxing. if u become a boxer u will be like the rest of them. I'm not in that position, so I couldn't say. I'd hope not to be like that. I still think that's a weak reason for turning down a fight. It wasn't as if he was going to take less than Hopkins.

I don't know. I agree that it was foolish of him to do it. However, I think he was fustrated that RJJ was acting so childish in refusing to take the match because it would be an even split. Even if he was the bigger draw, why not act like a man and take it and prove that he could take Hopkins? He took Hopkins the first time even with a broken right hand, why should he take him again? Why should he have to go out and prove to people he could beat him again, even when he beat him very convincingly the first time?

I don't know. I agree that it was foolish of him to do it. However, I think he was fustrated that RJJ was acting so childish in refusing to take the match because it would be an even split. Even if he was the bigger draw, why not act like a man and take it and prove that he could take Hopkins? money talks in boxing. if u become a boxer u will be like the rest of them.

And Roy didnt make excuses. He simply said. "60/40 ill kick yo ass." That's an excuse right there! I bet that if Hopkins had accepted it, there would have been another excuse as to why he wouldn't fight Hopkins. RJJ just thought way too much of himself and I think he had geniune doubts of himself against certain fighters. Which is understandable. He didn't want to be exposed or shown up. Like I said earlier, he'd be great in the WWE.

The question is, why did Bernard turn down the biggest payday of his life against a guy he knew he could beat. Lets also remember that Roy was the far bigger draw. I don't know. I agree that it was foolish of him to do it. However, I think he was fustrated that RJJ was acting so childish in refusing to take the match because it would be an even split. Even if he was the bigger draw, why not act like a man and take it and prove that he could take Hopkins?

Well come on. The man was wanting to finally get the respect and money he felt he deserved. Also, as I've said before, it wouldn't have been that bad for RJJ. It would have been a good amount and he was still going to go on to fights with more money. I don't see why he didn't take it if he felt he really could take Hopkins. I think he had doubts and didn't want to risk it so he made up excuses as he usually does. And Roy didnt make excuses. He simply said. "60/40 ill kick yo ass."

Well come on. The man was wanting to finally get the respect and money he felt he deserved. Also, as I've said before, it wouldn't have been that bad for RJJ. It would have been a good amount and he was still going to go on to fights with more money. I don't see why he didn't take it if he felt he really could take Hopkins. I think he had doubts and didn't want to risk it so he made up excuses as he usually does. The question is, why did Bernard turn down the biggest payday of his life against a guy he knew he could beat. Lets also remember that Roy was the far bigger draw.

It was competitive, but Roy clearly won. Fact is, Bhop turned down the biggest payday of his life. Well come on. The man was wanting to finally get the respect and money he felt he deserved. Also, as I've said before, it wouldn't have been that bad for RJJ. It would have been a good amount and he was still going to go on to fights with more money. I don't see why he didn't take it if he felt he really could take Hopkins. I think he had doubts and didn't want to risk it so he made up excuses as he usually does.

I'll admit, they were both greedy. However, didn't people agree that Hopkins had gotten better since that match? I believe many people wanted to see that match and although Hopkins was asking for 50/50 (which should be understandable since the guy never really felt he got the attention or money he deserved from boxing) I think RJJ should have gone ahead with it. Because as you said, he was eventually going to get more money and he thought he could go through Hopkins, so why not do it? All he did was make excuse after excuse. It really made me like him less and it didn't give him any reason to talk all the shit he did and act as if he was someone great. How can you claim to be such a thing when you duck and whine and make excuses? Although I don't remember everything about their match right now. I think I remember some people saying that they thought Hopkins should have won. So, putting that thought to rest and showing that he really is the better of the two seemed to be right up RJJ's alley as he likes to think that he's better than anyone else. Thanks Mr. V and Jack for the good karma! It was competitive, but Roy clearly won. Fact is, Bhop turned down the biggest payday of his life.

The real question is, why didnt Hopkins take the 60/40 and prove hes as good as he thinks he is. At this point in his career, Roy was talking about going to HW for bigger money. However, when Hopkins called him out, he said OK, 60/40. Why? Roy was fit at 175 and dropping pounds sucks. Roy had beaten Bernard Hopkins before. Did Bernard honestly believe he deserved 50/50 with a three division champ, who was p4p king and who had already beaten him once?? Come on now. And if all that is not enough, the 60/40 that Roy offered Hopkins was more money than Bernard Hopkins has ever made in his boxing career. More than the Trinidad fight. Speaking of the Tito fight, Bhop was willing to fight Tito to prove himself and take less cash, why couldnt he do that against Roy? Becuase he didnt really want to fight him, thats why. I'll admit, they were both greedy. However, didn't people agree that Hopkins had gotten better since that match? I believe many people wanted to see that match and although Hopkins was asking for 50/50 (which should be understandable since the guy never really felt he got the attention or money he deserved from boxing) I think RJJ should have gone ahead with it. Because as you said, he was eventually going to get more money and he thought he could go through Hopkins, so why not do it? All he did was make excuse after excuse. It really made me like him less and it didn't give him any reason to talk all the shit he did and act as if he was someone great. How can you claim to be such a thing when you duck and whine and make excuses? Although I don't remember everything about their match right now. I think I remember some people saying that they thought Hopkins should have won. So, putting that thought to rest and showing that he really is the better of the two seemed to be right up RJJ's alley as he likes to think that he's better than anyone else. Thanks Mr. V and Jack for the good karma!

Even with a broken hand. EXACTLY! :D