Hmmmm... you know??

He'd probably be thinking "Boy i'm glad Andy Lee ain't here!!!". LOL. Funny

Can you even imagine what Jermaine would be thinking if he had to train at the Kronk back in the early to mid-80's?? He'd probably be thinking "Boy i'm glad Andy Lee ain't here!!!".

The Kronk had quite a few good boxing people there in addition to Manny including Bill "Pop" Miller, Eddie Carr, Farris Purify, Sidney Bogan and Alex Sherer.

Thanks Iceman... May 27, 2006: I read an article today that talks about how Jermain Taylor is training at the KRONK Gym in Detroit and how awesome it is and how the guys there have such a commitment to boxing. You wake up thinking boxing. You eat sleep and drink boxing, etc. He talks about the guys he works with in the gym and how they don't ask him for his autograph, they are hardened tough guys who aren't impressed that he is the reigning and defending world champion. "Nobody even asked to take a picture with me" he says. Emmanuel Steward, who is now training Jermain at the famous gym, even talks about the spirited sparring sessions that Jermain has been having there with a young pro named Andy Lee. "They had a real rough, spirted workout," Steward said. "It was nip and tuck. Jermain said, `I'm not used to that.' They boxed again and there was electricity in the air. Jermain said, `I've been here two weeks training. Never once has anyone asked for my autograph. Nobody's even asked to take a picture." Then Emmanuel says "I told him, `You've got to realize that you were taking on the middleweight champion of this gym in Andy Lee. This is his turf right here. And you being the middleweight champion of the world, you've got to earn that respect here.' " OK, Good enough. This is 2006 and if Andy Lee is the current middleweight champion of the Kronk then so be it. I mean, when you put it that way, it sounds almost like Jermain is the character played by Ving Rhames walking into prison in "Undisputed" and going up against the little known killer that was Wesley Snipes. But, man, it kind of throws you a little when you look up Andy Lee's record and you find out he is a 22 year old kid from Ireland that has a professional record now of 2-0. That's right. Two fights total. Jermain just came off of twice defeating Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins for the undisputed middleweight championship of the world and now we are supposed to believe that he is in this famous gym in Detroit going against the Kronk champion like it is a life and death situation? No disrespect to Andy Lee, OK, but... come on!!! Based on what I am reading... I can only wonder. Can you even imagine what Jermaine would be thinking if he had to train at the Kronk back in the early to mid-80's?? What kind of electricty would he feel if every single day he had guys like Tommy Hearns, Leeonzer Barber, Milton McCrory, Steve McCrory, Hilmer Kenty, Lindell Holmes, Mark Breland, Mike McCallum, Oba Carr, Kady King, Ricky Womack, Duane Thomas, Dujuan Johnson, Alvin Hayes, Mickey Goodwin, Stanley Longstreet, Arthel Lawhorn, Frank Tate, Jimmy Paul, Danny Paul, Caveman Lee, David Braxton, Joe Manley, Roderick Moore,and Darnell Knox, all gloving up right next to him while not asking for his autograph or not asking to take photographs with him?? Or later on when Gerald McClellan, Fabian Wiliams, Frankie Liles and Michael Moorer all joined Kronk? Andy Lee might not even be allowed to use the ring back in those days Im glad someone said it...whats really neat for me is that one of my cutmen trainers was a Kronk trainer and cutman for a lot of those guys. If you watch the Hearns/Leonard fight, he is the guy with the beard down to his nads...Don Thibodeaux...probably one of the most under-rated cutman of his era. After leaving Kronk he did quite a bit of work with the Camacho camp and many others. He hasnt worked a corner in a long time due to his health. I wish he could so badly, not just so I can see him once agan in action, but for him. He is a hell of a man and his career got cut short in my opinion.

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Caveman Lee was good enough to get a world title fight with Marvin Hagler. Also, Lee's ESPN fight with John LoCicero was one that featured one of the greatest all out rounds in HISTORY, similar to round one of Hagler-Hearns but it also included a few knockdowns

will jermain be wearin kronk shorts ? or will he be like lennox & naz & be 2 much of a 'big shot' ?

does any body remember that kronk website a couple of yrs ago with old pics & stuff ? i forgot the web address, what is it ??

Some guys are MUCH better in the gym than in the ring, I've known guys like Danny Williams who absolutely dominated and anihilated Henry Akinwande and later Maskaev in the gym but then goes and loses his head against the immortal Sinan Samil Sam. Chris Eubank says that he knew a gym fighter called Dennis Cruz back in New York (Eubank lived in the South Bronx from 1982 to 1988) who was the best boxer he's ever seen in the gym - even better than a teenage Mike Tyson and Herol Bomber Graham, but achieved nothing as a pro boxer. Uhhhh....that word and that name do not belong together in any sense.

I was only there in the summer of 1993. Got there in June and stayed for several weeks... then we all moved camp to the Poconos

Warren JACKSON is his name.

Rock'N.... I was at Galaxy in the summer of 1993.. I sparred with James Toney, Tarik Salmaci, Bronco McKart and another unbeaten pro at the time... was his name Warren something?

Dujuan Johnson all i know if he didn't get killed he would've been world champ easily. the man was a beast with power, solid chin, and fast hands. real sad that he died. his fight with arron pryor was a classic. RIP Dujuan Johnson........

I know the name JL Ivey.. there were a lot of tough KRONK guys. Especially in 83, 84 et. James wasnt one of them, though. James Toney was NEVER a KRONK fighter

What really sucks is that Pat Burns brought Taylor to the titles, and then on the basis of his performances, some of Taylor's people gradually turned up the heat against Burns until they slung him out and got Manny Steward in. So much for loyalty. I like Taylor and I pick him to win this fight, but he didn't even break it to Burns or have him stay on in some capacity. I don't know if he even spoke to Burns before someone else let Burns go from the camp. This is one aspect of boxing I have no time for. Its a 50/50 thing. It sucks that he got rid of a guy who got him there but I can also understand it because he still looked like shit against Hopkins and alot of people think he lost those fights. Its like Manny said, "He's proud of Taylor for not waiting until a loss to change trainers like all the other fighters do". If you think something needs to be changed then you should do it and not wait for something bad to happened 1st but the flip side is that he was still a young guy and was getting better every fight. You will find out the answer to this in this fight. If he looks good then he made the right choice but if he loses then he looks like a fool

Some guys are great gym guys and that goes for every sport. I was the best guy on my sport teams coming up but I always halfed assed it in practice and some guys use to kick my ass and go all out every day like it was the Super Bowl. Andy Lee is probally a solid guy who beats up alot of guys in the gym and when he fights Taylor, he's fighing like its a fight against the Middleweight Champ in Las Vegas in front of millions but Taylor is probally just during regular sparring, so it gets tough. Basically, when it's not foreal then alot of guys can be on your level

Who are you going for in this fight and why iceman?

On the real side I think the story is hilarious that if you step into the ring with an unproven Irish jobber with a record of only 2 wins you are then fighting for your life. Taylor had to be giving the kid props, there's no fucking way on this green earth that that dude gave him any competition. Then again 2-0 does seem like a real achievement, ask Donald Hoskins...

Caveman Lee Please tell me I'm not the only one who laughed their ass off at that name. I know boxing pretty and I've been into it for many years but I've never heard of "Caveman Lee". I get the mental image of Bruce Lee in a leopard skin leotard.