It's the equivalent of fouling the other team late in a game in basketball, or fouling away from the basket when you're up by 3 knowing the opponent only gets 2 shots. Is it sportsmanlike? Maybe not. But it's within the rules...
fouls happen every single game in fact thats what the refs are there for.Spitting your mouth piece out is a whole different kind of stragedy.this is more like a flagrant foul 2 of those gives you an early shower.I would like to see the rule that states..."You may spit your mouth piece out if you need to buy time"
I can accept all that with the exception that Castillo was 3 1/2 pounds over not 2, other than that I say sure.
my fault, i thought it was 2. i will edit.
People need to let this go, no matter what they think of the situation.
Bottom line:
Corrales cheated, by manually removing his mouthpiece in an attempt to gain extra time to recover from being knocked down. He was penalized by having a point deducted. Problem solved.
Castillo cheated, by coming in 2 pounds overweight, he was penalized by not being able to fight for the championship. Problem solved.
Close thread.
I can accept all that with the exception that Castillo was 3 1/2 pounds over not 2, other than that I say sure.
People need to let this go, no matter what they think of the situation.
Bottom line:
Corrales cheated, by manually removing his mouthpiece in an attempt to gain extra time to recover from being knocked down. He was penalized by having a point deducted. Problem solved.
Castillo cheated, by coming in 3.5 pounds overweight, he was penalized by not being able to fight for the championship. Problem solved.
Close thread.
This was probably chewed to death, but I see a lot of threads discussing the whole mouthpiece issue.
Your thoughts
LOL, UpperCut gave me bad K for stating an oppinion that was different from his....This was an oppinion that I gave background to and not just one I pulled out of no where.
Word to the wise, if you dont want to listen or read oppinons that differ from your views then perhaps you shouldn't start a thread that ask for Peoples thoughts on the subject :rolleyes:
This was probably chewed to death, but I see a lot of threads discussing the whole mouthpiece issue.
Your thoughts
fights 1 & 2 or anything that happened in them wont matter after Sat.....
There is a story of the accused being questioned in a court of law for Murder..
Prosecutor: Can you tell us in detail what happen on the night of the 15th?
Accused: At approximately 9:00 PM I can home from work when I heard noises from my bedroom. As I approached the bedroom, I saw my wife in bed with some guy. I walked away and thought I'd have an apple. As I don't eat unpeeled apples, I took a knife to peal it.
As I was taking out the knife, the man who was in bed with my wife walked into the kitchen and slipped on an apple peal, when ACCIDENTALLY landing on the knife that I was holding in my hand.
Same thing happened 18 times.
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The moral of the story is that how many times accidental could it be, oh and so conveniently when he was being KD every time. These two went through war the rest of the fight and the mouthpiece was never an issue until Corrales was being KOed. There is no doubt in my head that it was NOT accidental, but as others voted on this poll, I do agree that he was just playing by the rules as Neils pointed out that being part of dirty tactics.
Look at the Barrera Juarez fight. Barrera was having mouthpiece issues thoughout the fight
How come nobody ever believes me?
Seriously though, I never thought it was an accident, with Corrales, he needed to buy time and he did and it worked for him. Every sport has situations like that, where the outcome of obaying the rules is worse than the penalty for breaking the rules.
There is a story of the accused being questioned in a court of law for Murder..
Prosecutor: Can you tell us in detail what happen on the night of the 15th?
Accused: At approximately 9:00 PM I can home from work when I heard noises from my bedroom. As I approached the bedroom, I saw my wife in bed with some guy. I walked away and thought I'd have an apple. As I don't eat unpeeled apples, I took a knife to peal it.
As I was taking out the knife, the man who was in bed with my wife walked into the kitchen and slipped on an apple peal, when ACCIDENTALLY landing on the knife that I was holding in my hand.
Same thing happened 18 times.
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The moral of the story is that how many times accidental could it be, oh and so conveniently when he was being KD every time. These two went through war the rest of the fight and the mouthpiece was never an issue until Corrales was being KOed. There is no doubt in my head that it was NOT accidental, but as others voted on this poll, I do agree that he was just playing by the rules as Neils pointed out that being part of dirty tactics.
Look at the Barrera Juarez fight. Barrera was having mouthpiece issues thoughout the fight
LOL.....I openly admit and have admitted that when it comes to Corrales I might have clouded vision. I personally would give him the benefit of the doubt based on his character. He made no excuses after the 2nd fight even though he was continously proded by Larry Merchant into saying that the weight was an issue. The same pride and warrior mentality that persuaded him to stand toe-to-toe with Castillo wouldn't allow him to make excuses for his loss. This is shown throught his fighting history when interviewed after wins and losses.
So after the first Castillo fight when he said he didn't mean to spit it out and that he was trying to put catch it in his glove when it slipped out, I would grant him the benefit of the doubt although I understand how others might see it differently. However I do believe that "It accidentally slipped when he was trying to grab it with his glove" should've atleast been an option....that is all I'm saying.
As it stands the 2 current options have already judged that he did intentionally spit it onto the floor. Either way, even if it was intentional it was in the heat of battle and not as dastardly an act as intentionally coming in overweight.
LOL, the Poll is a joke...it makes no attempt to consider the possibility that it came out by accident.
Corrales is a warrior and I for one believe him when he says he attempted to put grab his mouth piece with his glove and hold it. He said that because of the nature of boxing gloves that it slipped from his grasp.
I give him the benefit of the doubt but either ways it was clearly not premeditated as was the Castillo incident.
I HIGHLY DOUBT that part of Corrales camp and strategic dialogue with Joe Goosen was "Ok so when he knocks me down the second time I will spit out the mouth piece."
There should've been an option on this poll for "You think Corrales is telling the truth that he didn't mean to spit out the mouth piece" ------1 vote
There is a story of the accused being questioned in a court of law for Murder..
Prosecutor: Can you tell us in detail what happen on the night of the 15th?
Accused: At approximately 9:00 PM I can home from work when I heard noises from my bedroom. As I approached the bedroom, I saw my wife in bed with some guy. I walked away and thought I'd have an apple. As I don't eat unpeeled apples, I took a knife to peal it.
As I was taking out the knife, the man who was in bed with my wife walked into the kitchen and slipped on an apple peal, when ACCIDENTALLY landing on the knife that I was holding in my hand.
Same thing happened 18 times.
------------------------------
The moral of the story is that how many times accidental could it be, oh and so conveniently when he was being KD every time. These two went through war the rest of the fight and the mouthpiece was never an issue until Corrales was being KOed. There is no doubt in my head that it was NOT accidental, but as others voted on this poll, I do agree that he was just playing by the rules as Neils pointed out that being part of dirty tactics.
Look at the Barrera Juarez fight. Barrera was having mouthpiece issues thoughout the fight
LOL, the Poll is a joke...it makes no attempt to consider the possibility that it came out by accident.
Corrales is a warrior and I for one believe him when he says he attempted to put grab his mouth piece with his glove and hold it. He said that because of the nature of boxing gloves that it slipped from his grasp.
I give him the benefit of the doubt but either ways it was clearly not premeditated as was the Castillo incident.
I HIGHLY DOUBT that part of Corrales camp and strategic dialogue with Joe Goosen was "Ok so when he knocks me down the second time I will spit out the mouth piece."
There should've been an option on this poll for "You think Corrales is telling the truth that he didn't mean to spit out the mouth piece" ------1 vote
It's the equivalent of fouling the other team late in a game in basketball, or fouling away from the basket when you're up by 3 knowing the opponent only gets 2 shots. Is it sportsmanlike? Maybe not. But it's within the rules...
anything that you can do to win and not get dq'ed is a part of the game. corrales used the bounderies of the rules to his advantage just like a lot of people do. i see nothing wrong with this, i just dont think that anything is going to save him this time around.
castillo weight issue was a non point cause corrales weighed more the day of the fight so wtf
corrales has some messed up ethics
says this bs about castillo cheating and that being so wrong
which one went to jail for wife beating?
he better be glad the bitch didnt lay him the fuck out cause with his chin she probably could have
You must not know what it is like to drop weight. To lose 3 lbs when you at less then 5% body fat is real difficult. 3 lbs is very hard when these guys have been dieting for months, and especially when they are dried out already.
That means nothing! All you have to do is make weight at the time of the way in and then after you can gain weight. Corrales gaining weight after the way in?!?!?! oh man what a cheater!
i dont think he is calling him a cheater, he is just saying it is not that big of an issue
castillo weight issue was a non point cause corrales weighed more the day of the fight so wtf
corrales has some messed up ethics
says this bs about castillo cheating and that being so wrong
which one went to jail for wife beating?
he better be glad the bitch didnt lay him the fuck out cause with his chin she probably could have
That means nothing! All you have to do is make weight at the time of the way in and then after you can gain weight. Corrales gaining weight after the way in?!?!?! oh man what a cheater!
castillo weight issue was a non point cause corrales weighed more the day of the fight so wtf
corrales has some messed up ethics
says this bs about castillo cheating and that being so wrong
which one went to jail for wife beating?
he better be glad the bitch didnt lay him the fuck out cause with his chin she probably could have
possibly, but theres no way to tell.
i could also say that corrales probably would have won the rematch if castillo had made weight. It can go either way.
Thats why we have a rubbermatch coming up 2 moro!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah thats a good point.
im just thinking of the outcome, i hope it doesnt go all the way so no side can call out for unfair judges. we need a knockout victory, no mouth piece problems and no weight issues
is it really nuthugging?
castillo was maybe one punch away from winning. corrales did something smart. ill give him that.
But the fact is that corrales would of probably gone down if he didnt have that extra time to get some balance back on his legs.
possibly, but theres no way to tell.
i could also say that corrales probably would have won the rematch if castillo had made weight. It can go either way.
Thats why we have a rubbermatch coming up 2 moro!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great post!!
The only people that are whining about this are Castillo nuthuggers/Corrales haters...
They refuse to listen to any facts that proves them wrong..
Great post, once again bro!
is it really nuthugging?
castillo was maybe one punch away from winning. corrales did something smart. ill give him that.
But the fact is that corrales would of probably gone down if he didnt have that extra time to get some balance back on his legs.
he did what he needed to do WITHIN the rules. He was penalized, which is exactly what should have happened.
Imagine the uproar is corrales had been dq'd for spitting out his mouthpiece. It would have been a stupid move by Weeks.
Great post!!
The only people that are whining about this are Castillo nuthuggers/Corrales haters...
They refuse to listen to any facts that proves them wrong..
Great post, once again bro!
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