First and foremost I am a die hard boxing fan and prefer the sweet science over MMA but for those of you who think that boxing is a much safer sport than MMA should read this.
Mixed Martial Art is a sport; it’s a mix of all martial arts. If you had a wrestling, karate or boxing event no one would have issues, why is it an issue when you mixed all of these in one event? People might say yeah they have small gloves, they is a good thing, this mean when someone gets hit hard once, its over. Unlike boxing where you get hit over and over, this is not good for your brain at all. Boxing you win by getting KO’ed or towel thrown in (which means your corner had enough of watching you get killed). In MMA if you are in trouble you can protect yourself by holding on to the guy (not boxing), in MMA if you don’t like getting hit you can take the guy down (not in boxing), in MMA when you had enough you can quit by tapping (not in boxing), in MMA if you don’t defend yourself intelligently the ref will step in and stop the fight (rare in boxing, they usually wait until you get KO’ed). Mixed Martial Fighters are educated, smart and very respectable human being. Don’t judge a book by its cover, doesn’t mean because you fight in cage you take that to the streets after. Let the sport grow, use that to bring money in your city, make more events. Both the fans and the cities can benefit from this, its revenue, it can be BIG revenue. My point is, there is nothing wrong with this sport, no one ever died from MMA. Lets make this sport grow, isn’t this a free country…
define "safe".
Are we talking long term health concerns or short term?
I think in the long term boxing is definately more dangerous.
In the short term I would say MMA because there is much more potential to take greater damage, have something broken or hit the ground wrong. A sub isn't a sub because it just "hurts" a sub is a sub because if you don't submit you get choked or something gets broken.
Yeah, if someone holds the back of your head and shoots a knee into your face or gets on top of you and starts blasting you with elbows, its going to look a lot worse in the short term, but a boxing takes so many punches to the head, thats what causes brain injury. And its not just that, look at fighters who are punch drunk. How many boxings end up like Meldrick Taylor but are overlooked in the statistics?
define "safe".
Are we talking long term health concerns or short term?
I think in the long term boxing is definately more dangerous.
In the short term I would say MMA because there is much more potential to take greater damage, have something broken or hit the ground wrong. A sub isn't a sub because it just "hurts" a sub is a sub because if you don't submit you get choked or something gets broken.
This is ridiculous.
Of course boxing is more dangerous. Boxers spend the entire fight on their feet......striking.
MMA fights go to the ground and end in sub. Even if a guy gets g'n'p'd he's not absorbing as much damage to the brain....as if he were taking blows to the head for an hour.
Definatly agreed.
This is ridiculous.
Of course boxing is more dangerous. Boxers spend the entire fight on their feet......striking.
MMA fights go to the ground and end in sub. Even if a guy gets g'n'p'd he's not absorbing as much damage to the brain....as if he were taking blows to the head for an hour.
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you know what all you have to do is look at an MMa fighters face after a fight compared with a boxers ...fact there were more ring deaths in MMA in a shorter timespan then boxing has ever had that is why they made the rule change in UFC
Are you kidding? Dana White, UFC president, himself said that there's never been a death in MMA.
the gloves make little diffrence on the pressure being exerted on the place where the punch landed. bone is harder than glove but the pressure is similar, the crushing shock is taken away by the gloves but not the concusive force. both have the same force but a smaller glove will do more superficial damage because of contact area. ie cut and break skin beacuse a smaller area has to deal with the force. same principal of why bullets kill people very small dense object, "fist without glove" vs bean bags moving at the same rate of speed or force and not causing damage.
While a MMA glove may cause more superficial damage, it will also stop the fight sooner than a boxing glove because of the argument that you gave. A smaller glove will do more crunching damage to bone, whereas a boxing glove may hit with the same force but the padding of the glove limits the crunching ability of the blow; I think that people will fall quicker when hit with a crunching shot than a dull shot, thus the boxing match is prolonged, causing more pressure on the brain to be substained.
Boxing is definately the more dangerous sport. It's simple: All you have to do is compare the amount of deaths that have occured in sanctioned MMA events, 0, to the amount of deaths that have occured in sanctioned boxing matches, numerous.
Anyone arguing that MMA is more dangerous than boxing needs to think harder.
" It's not one punch that will kill you, its the accumulation of punch after punch after punch."
Fighting isnt about power or accumulation of punches its about getting hit in the right spot and a clean blow to the top of the nose would push a bone in your brain and kill a man and there are lots of deadly strikes that every experienced fighter knows of, my dad used to box and taught me some but was strict about me never using them while playing or even in real fights at school or teaching them to friends, any real boxer would tell you the exact thing.
I didnt say you typed it just looked off. If that was a cut and paste from a magazine then IMO there ratings are fucked up. lol
Remember this is 1-2 months old. So the current ratings is diffirent. I typed it cuz can't find the ratings in the website.
First and foremost I am a die hard boxing fan and prefer the sweet science over MMA but for those of you who think that boxing is a much safer sport than MMA should read this.
Mixed Martial Art is a sport; it’s a mix of all martial arts. If you had a wrestling, karate or boxing event no one would have issues, why is it an issue when you mixed all of these in one event? People might say yeah they have small gloves, they is a good thing, this mean when someone gets hit hard once, its over. Unlike boxing where you get hit over and over, this is not good for your brain at all. Boxing you win by getting KO’ed or towel thrown in (which means your corner had enough of watching you get killed). In MMA if you are in trouble you can protect yourself by holding on to the guy (not boxing), in MMA if you don’t like getting hit you can take the guy down (not in boxing), in MMA when you had enough you can quit by tapping (not in boxing), in MMA if you don’t defend yourself intelligently the ref will step in and stop the fight (rare in boxing, they usually wait until you get KO’ed). Mixed Martial Fighters are educated, smart and very respectable human being. Don’t judge a book by its cover, doesn’t mean because you fight in cage you take that to the streets after. Let the sport grow, use that to bring money in your city, make more events. Both the fans and the cities can benefit from this, its revenue, it can be BIG revenue. My point is, there is nothing wrong with this sport, no one ever died from MMA. Lets make this sport grow, isn’t this a free country…
the gloves make little diffrence on the pressure being exerted on the place where the punch landed. bone is harder than glove but the pressure is similar, the crushing shock is taken away by the gloves but not the concusive force. both have the same force but a smaller glove will do more superficial damage because of contact area. ie cut and break skin beacuse a smaller area has to deal with the force. same principal of why bullets kill people very small dense object, "fist without glove" vs bean bags moving at the same rate of speed or force and not causing damage.
If u read my post again, i posted "There is also ranking in welterweight and lightweight". I did not type those fighters because to much to type. But just 4 u, here u go.
Welterweight 155 to 160:
Matt Hughes
George St. Pierre
BJ Penn
Frank Trigg(i believed he retired this year)
Sean Sherk
Lighweight 145 to 154:
Takanori Gomi
Hayto Sakurai
Joachin Hansen
Mark Hominick
Yves Edwars
This ratings was from Full Contact Fighter April Edition(so its 1-2 months old), The May edition is out already but don't have it yet. I am gonna buy it sometimes this week. The ratins changes every month. Gomi was choked out in his last fight so at the current ratings, his not #1 anymore.
I didnt say you typed it just looked off. If that was a cut and paste from a magazine then IMO there ratings are fucked up. lol
Dude , how old are these ratings ?
Your missing a ton of fighters there ? Hughes , GSP , Babalu and Arlovski to name a few ?
If u read my post again, i posted "There is also ranking in welterweight and lightweight". I did not type those fighters because to much to type. But just 4 u, here u go.
Welterweight 155 to 160:
Matt Hughes
George St. Pierre
BJ Penn
Frank Trigg(i believed he retired this year)
Sean Sherk
Lighweight 145 to 154:
Takanori Gomi
Hayto Sakurai
Joachin Hansen
Mark Hominick
Yves Edwars
This ratings was from Full Contact Fighter April Edition(so its 1-2 months old), The May edition is out already but don't have it yet. I am gonna buy it sometimes this week. The ratins changes every month. Gomi was choked out in his last fight so at the current ratings, his not #1 anymore.
Ya, but the link is courtesy of squarecircle.
http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_svinth_b_0700.htm
i was being a smartass you didnt read the thread did you lol :D
There is some, but i don't know what website(s). Every month i buy Full Contact Fighter magazine, it list its top 5 fighter in each division(in its website, can't find it).
Heavyweight 205 or more:
Fedor Emilianenko
Rodrigo Nogueira
Mirko Filipovic
Tim Sylvia
Sergei Kharitonov
Lighe Heavyweight 185 to 205:
Mauricio Rua
Wanderlei Silva
Chuck Liddell
Randy Couture(retired a couple of months ago)
Rogerio Nogueira
Middleweight 170 to 184:
Rich Franklin
Matt Lindland
Dan Henerson
David Loiseau
Jeremy Horn
There is also ranking in welterweight and lightweight.
If interested in learning about MMA history, schedules, results, and fighters, here are some websites:
www.sherdog.com and its forum, www.sherdog.net
www.mmaweekly.com
www.fcfighter.com
If u joined the forum sherdog.net, u can ask the history of MMA, there are some members who have more knowledge in MMA. They also have a section in boxing, kickboxing, grappling and stand up technique. Go join to find out more about MMA but don't bash MMA or u will be attack by a pack of wolves.
Some MMA magaines: Grappling mag, Tap Out, and Full Contact Fighter. The mags show some techniques of MMA and grappling. If ur gonna buy one or subscribe to it, i recommend Tap Out.
Also, go to www.youtube.com, type in Pride fighting, it will show some highlights from Pride.
Dude , how old are these ratings ?
Your missing a ton of fighters there ? Hughes , GSP , Babalu and Arlovski to name a few ?
thanks i'll check it out ...dont get me wrong i know who most of them are and all i still watch mma but i lost a lot of love for it after the old UFC days..it should have stayed the same 'no weight classes '
Ur kinda correct about the no weight classes, but even boxing has its weight classes. If there were no weight classes, imagine this:
Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs Valuev
MMA: Fedor vs Matt Hughes
Not a fair match, but MMA should at least have an open weight fight once in a while. I would like to see Ken Shamrock(self confessed nuthugger here) vs Royce Gracie for a trilogy.
Also, go to a bookstore, u don't have to buy it, a book called "No Holds Barred", its about the history of MMA. Great book.