Did Delahoya Take A Dive Against Hopkins ?

Did DLH Take A Dive against Hopkins Hey, no matter what I or you say about this subject it still stands as a KO. My best friend rafael of spring valley ca is mayweather sparring partner mainly for speed, I ask him several times what does he think of DLH this was before the B-Hop vs dlh fight, dlh is very good if he stayed at the lower weights he would of been something great he had trouble making weight. Since the hopkins fight he answers different I hate dlh I would say why hopkins is a middle - dlh started at 130 and up, I can sense it in his voice dlh took a dive for business reasons. If anyone wants dlh last weight in pics for his fight for mayweather or my friend sparring with mayweather send me mails at gloriamichaelc@aol.com or gloriamichaelc@tmail.com why gloria on my mail? I get that all the time, That's my moms you only have one moms in this life. Take care great board. Mike.

I heard he really used to dislike Bernard, and I think he would have got up if he could of.

I agree 100% BHOP turned up the heat and a couple of his right hands. Oscars cute face to important to him and then he makes him a partner. Who does such things.Why no rematch.BULLSHIT

So DLh signs Hop a week later looks bad but he's not going to take a dive for a 40 year old man just so he can promt him for a year or two

A liver shot doesn't have to be powerful to be effective. It just has to be well placed and well timed.

Listen up, this is interesting. I don't know, but from what I heard from a guy who was instrumental in the setup of this fight and has alot of credibility in the sport., there was alot of shadiness behind this fight. He intimated to me that there was kick back money that Bob Arum paid to a major boxing medium to hype this fight up and provoke public interest in the fight. He also mentioned one other fight, but the case I have created is not nearly as strong as it is on this one. My source didn't tell me that the fight was thrown, but I do have my doubts. While DLH did get hit on a very sensitive part of the body, when you are aired out you don't react like he did. I have been hit with some violent body shots in my life and the LAST thing you are able to do is yell and scream in pain. In my whole life watching boxing in the gym and on tv, I have never seen a fighter react like De La Hoya did after that left hook to the body that Hopkins' ended the bout with. I have serious doubts as to the integrity of this bout. Intersting, I've always believed he took a dive in that fight just to give Hopkins a multi million dollar fight something he's been asking for along time and in return Hopkins agrees to partner up with DLH in order to grab the interest of the african american fighters for his promotional co. This is just my opinion guys...I just find it funny when DLH announces the partnership a week later. Plus in the undercard of Barerra Vs Juarez the guy got hit with a nasty liver shot and the man could hardly speak or breath and there's DLH on the canvas screaming & pounding the canvas.

A lot of people cite that as a reason the punch had such an efffect. But, that makes no sense to me... Hopkins' punch did not sink into Oscar. It did not shift anything inside of Oscar. There was no evidence of any heft on that punch whatsoever...so I don't see where the size advantage mattered. the size advantage is that oscar is not used to being hit by a middle wieght. and that wasn't my main arguement. my main argument was that he wasnt expecting it and didnt see it coming, thus he did not prepare for it and thus it hurt like hell.

exactly. it doesn't matter if it was the cleanest hook to the body, if your not expecting it you will go down. also dlh is a natural lightweight going against a natural middle weight, hopkins didnt have to land the cleanest shot to deliver a lot of power. A lot of people cite that as a reason the punch had such an efffect. But, that makes no sense to me... If a Nissan Maxima crashes into a Hyundai Elantra....it would smack it up well enough. There would be some visible impact. If a Nissan Titan hits that same Elantra, it will demolish it. The impact would be far more devastating & visible than what the Maxima produced. Hopkins' punch did not sink into Oscar. It did not shift anything inside of Oscar. There was no evidence of any heft on that punch whatsoever...so I don't see where the size advantage mattered.

I suggest you watch it again I have seen it 30 times......I don't want to watch it anymore.They showed it many times in slow motion for the build Up to Mayorga/DLH it was pretty clear to me.I agree it seemed like what that could not have hurt that bad but DLH is no pussy and I don't think he would ever pull any shit like that.He had never been KOed why would he stay down????He is a solid fighter with tons of pride no matter how much money he has and I refuse to disrespect on of the great fighters of our time like that.

You ever been hit with a solid left hook to the liver when you weren't expecting it? exactly. it doesn't matter if it was the cleanest hook to the body, if your not expecting it you will go down. also dlh is a natural lightweight going against a natural middle weight, hopkins didnt have to land the cleanest shot to deliver a lot of power.

I suggest you watch it again

liver shots and arm shots are completely different. if Bell hits him in the liver, Hopkins might go down. if Bell hits him in the arm, Hopkins stays up. He glanced the Arm but clearly hit him in the Liver region.

No but he would have added 5 years to his life had he not taken all of those shots.Man Cotto fucked him up.Branco is a tough S.O.B. thats for sure.Man everyone needs to quit all this crying about this....Oscar did not throw the fight.He was hurt and maybe chose not to get hurt anymore....."Quit" but he did not throw the fight.He believed that he could win when he entered the ring that night.get over it people.If Hopkins went to CW and got hit by Oneill bell with a shot to the liver do you think he may go down????? :rolleyes: liver shots and arm shots are completely different. if Bell hits him in the liver, Hopkins might go down. if Bell hits him in the arm, Hopkins stays up.

Oscar deserved an Oscar for the way he reacted to that arm punch. Shit, you didn't see Gianluca Branco roll around and cry when Cotto hit his arm for 8 WHOLE ROUNDS. No but he would have added 5 years to his life had he not taken all of those shots.Man Cotto fucked him up.Branco is a tough S.O.B. thats for sure.Man everyone needs to quit all this crying about this....Oscar did not throw the fight.He was hurt and maybe chose not to get hurt anymore....."Quit" but he did not throw the fight.He believed that he could win when he entered the ring that night.get over it people.If Hopkins went to CW and got hit by Oneill bell with a shot to the liver do you think he may go down????? :rolleyes:

Oscar deserved an Oscar for the way he reacted to that arm punch. Shit, you didn't see Gianluca Branco roll around and cry when Cotto hit his arm for 8 WHOLE ROUNDS.

I'm no Oscar fan but I give him the benefit of the doubt based on his caliber of competition he faced and some of the great fight's he's been in. I find it hard to believe that he would take a dive, I guess anything could happen but IMO I don't think he took a dive.

You dont carry an opponent when you lose ? Jermain Taylor ? THere is a big differnece. You only carry an opponent when you know your gonna have the fight won. Did you happen to see the size difference between DLH and BHOP , it was like boy agains man. you clearly have something against DLH because anyone who watched the fight knows it wasnt a dive and DLH wouldnt do that. He chose Mayorga for the simple fact it would make money and because it was widely seen by his people especially the mexican/hispanic and so on. It was a huge money maker against an opponent that was thought to be very serious but it proved not to be in this case. DLH never once threw a fight and highly doubt he would do it against the Unified champ at the time when it would have made his name even bigger. And sure the judges scored a victory to Taylor but he lost the first fight and the second should have been a draw he didnt once do what it took to dethrown the champion. B-hop just waited too long to make his move in the Taylor fight like he has the past 5 years against other opponents. If he started one round earlier the champ would still be the champ.

You dont carry an opponent when you lose ? Jermain Taylor ? THere is a big differnece. You only carry an opponent when you know your gonna have the fight won. Did you happen to see the size difference between DLH and BHOP , it was like boy agains man. What I'm saying is B-Hopp looked no different in the early going against DLH than he did against ANY opponent he's faced since Tito.

Okay..look. On this "carrying" stuff.....when was the last time B-Hopp came out strong and didn't lay back for the first few rounds? That's his M.O. If he "carried" De La Hoya, he carried Jermain Taylor both times, he carried Carl what's his name, he carried every opponent in the last 3 to 4 years. B-Hopp is a slow starter because he's an old fart and has to conserve his energy for the second half of the fight. No more, no less, IMO. You dont carry an opponent when you lose ? Jermain Taylor ? THere is a big differnece. You only carry an opponent when you know your gonna have the fight won. Did you happen to see the size difference between DLH and BHOP , it was like boy agains man.

From what I viewed the punch wasn't a perfectly placed liver punch to begin with. It looked like it landed more on his side and back area. I also think that the reason why we as viewers watching the fight were lead to believe that DLH was holding his own was because Hopkins was carrying him up until that fateful round. I cant remember the round but I think it was the 8th or 9th. Just my opinion though. I just wanted to hear others opinion. This was clearly a dive. If you thought Oscar was competitive in this fight you were fooled. Why do you think Oscar chose Mayorga in his comeback fight ? Okay..look. On this "carrying" stuff.....when was the last time B-Hopp came out strong and didn't lay back for the first few rounds? That's his M.O. If he "carried" De La Hoya, he carried Jermain Taylor both times, he carried Carl what's his name, he carried every opponent in the last 3 to 4 years. B-Hopp is a slow starter because he's an old fart and has to conserve his energy for the second half of the fight. No more, no less, IMO.