Im Sick of Guys Using & Abusing Floyd's Name!

DLT20y ago

This is a very long Story but Interesting. I will break it up into 3 Parts and 1 part in each of the 1st 3 post. Read if you like. I want one person to come on here and name me one guy who Floyd has ducked and didnt fight. Name 1 and dont start talking about other things because you have no names to think of. Lets examine this further. At 130 Floyd fought great fighters like the legendary Genero Hernandez, Carlos Hernandez, Chaves, Chico, a prime Manfredy, Augustus, Jukko, Goyo Vargas, and more. He also begged a prime Naz to move up just 4 pounds to fight him and he said No after he saw Floyd kill Chico. At 135 he fought Castillo and won but some thought he lost and like a true champ he gave him a immediate rematch and won convincingly. He then beat a very tough Sosa and then demolished N'Dou. The N'Dou fight is a joke. That is a fight that so many experts and fans thought Floyd would lose or have alot of trouble in but because Floyd beat him so easily, they like to diminish that win and act like N'Dou is garbage. How unfair is that? He never gets credit for that fight. Also at 135 he offered a prime Lazcano a fight and got turned down, he offered Julio Diaz a fight and got turned down, and he offered Frietas a fight and got turned down but some how people continue to say he's ducking guys. At 140 he beats a very underrated Chop Chop in his very 1st fight and killed Gatti. Gatti is a guy who alot of people think high of and they pick him to beat alot of guys or give them trouble. Alot of people right now think he can beat Hatton, Gatti, and more but yet when they talk about the Mayweather fight, they try to diminish it and acts like he beat a nobody but yet people think Gatti can give the other guys trouble. People just dont like him. Lets look deeper into 140. It is widley known that Floyd offered to fight Hatton in his very 1st fight at 140 but got turned down. He had to wait forever to fight Gatti because he got turned down a million times and only got the Gatti fight because he became the mandatory. Since then Hatton has again turned Floyd down alot and always says things like "I need 2 more fights". Floyd asked to fight Cotto but Arum always talked shit about how Cotto would kill him but then would never let Cotto anywhere near him but yet its again seen as Floyd ducked people. He also offered Frietas another fight at 140 but again got turned down. Now what is Floyd supposed to do. Stay at 140 and wait & wait? Who else at 140 did he have to fight? or did you guys want him to fight bums in the mean time so you can again write about that? Floyd offered all these guys fights, they all said No and now he decides to move to 147. At 147 Zab is recognized as the undisputed Champ. This is what people keep forgetting. Mosley was the guy and then Forrest beat him, Mayorga beat him, Spinks beat him, and Zab beat him. Margarito was a after thought. Why would Floyd want Margarito when Zab was seen as the Champ and was the bigger fight? Zab looked very dangerous after the Spinks fight and Floyd didnt want to face Zab in his very 1st fight at a weight that he didnt know how he would react and Zab is a southpaw that is always scary so Floyd wants a tuneup. Could he have fought Margarito in his 1st fight? Yes but how is that going to help him against his ultimate goal of Zab, who is seen as the Champ? He picked Mitchell and people rip him for that but there missing the point. He didnt pick Mitchell just to fight him. He picked Mitchell because he saw him as the perfect tuneup for Zab. No other fighter would give Floyd a preview of that southpaw look & slick style.

Comments (20)

yrrej

Floyd Mayweather :gives: :lame: :Flush: :puke:

19y ago

TheHoffsGhost

cort hatton has never turned down a maywaeather fight , after the kostya tszyu fight warren got interest from mayweathers team for a showdown with hatton but mayweather wanted 75-80% of the purse so ricky decided what hes worth and was only gonna take it , thats why hes taking these so called tune ups in america so the us public can get to see wat hes about and then he can get what hes worth fighting mayweather. dlh nobody can take away wat floyd did pre 140 but tell me wats he done since turning jnr welter? he had hes tune up with brusseles - a fight he was never gonna lose. then he could of gona after the undistputed king at jnr welter kostya tszyu but didnt , then after hatton beat him he said he wanted that fight and he knew he would of beat kostya. he then takes the wbc belt of gatti which was a right step in the direction. junior witter becomes mandatary to hes belt so he vacates and moves up a wieght (btw junior witter wants hatton and hatton says no hes a bum ducking him? witter becomes floyd number1 contendor but decides against it but its a wise move?) he then fights a very old sharmba mitchel , gets rocked a bit with a few punches but wins as expected , after the fight he talks about challenging the undistputed king at welter , which soon becomes baldy but opts to fight the ibf paper champ in judah going by this how is mayweathers name getting dragged through the mud? hes done practicly nothing since super feather but yet he still feels welter owes him the favers or as it seems to be soon to be super welter spot on again !!

19y ago

TheHoffsGhost

AGREED! And I also agree with DLT as well. But the facts are PBF did not fight the best at jr welter and welter. Lets compare this for a second since PBF came to jr welter and welter to Ricky Hatton circa 2005 (and for the record I am not card carrying member of team hatton) Hatton has fought the champ at jr welter Kosta Tzsyu and Maussa who also had a title at 140. PBF has fought Henry Brussels(a guy who is probably not ranked in the top 20) and Arturo Gatti (a title holder. I belive the edge in difficult competition goes to Hatton. Now PBF moves to welter, what is his first fight? a faded aharmbra mitchell. Hatton's first fight a title holder and a top 10 opponet in Collazo. Hell even Gatti fought a guy ranked in the top ten at welter in his first fight at 147. And ppl r now saying what about Judah PBF fought him, yea Judah who was coming off a mentaly devistating loss, and this bad for somebody who doesnt have it all up there to begin with. And im not making excuses. I think history will prove Judah is not a elite fighter. But if the PBF fans want the Judah victory take it! I just come from the foundation that to be the best u must beat the best. And PBF is certainly not doing that. Why should he be p4p #1 based on excellent wins 5-7 yrs ago? sorry that doesnt cut it in my book, sign the Margorito contract. PBF says its not about the $ yet he turned down 8 mill to fight Margarito. WHat bullshit, PBF has used smoke and mirrors to get through 140 and 147 division and you guys r buying spot on !!

19y ago

Tysonisgod

I'm so sick of all of these posts, how come just cos you guys dont like floyd cos he does what boxing is all about HITS AND DOESN'T GET HIT BACK....as ali said, why stand infront of a man and get hit when you can dance and win, its a beautiful thing, and why is it that floyd has ducked tony,cotto and hatton....why is it not Tony who has never fought a big fighter and tryin to get a fight with his mouth rather than fighter his way up with big fights.....why is it that a young cotto who has fought a handfull of good fighters that everyone says floyd ducks and RICKY HATTON, ricky hatton who has fought out of england wat like 3 times or somethin, got ROCKED in his last fight where if the guy was a puncher like floyd would hav got his head ripped off....thing about this guys floyd has been fightin the best, movin up weights and goin for the hard men in the divisions, chico, castillo(dont give me the shit about they fights a win is a win lol) and RICKY HITMAN HATTON who has fought mmmmmmmmmmmmmm ONE GOOD FIGHTER WHO WAS ON THE WAY DOWN to get his title, and who ducked jr witer for years, bring on DLH if floyd loses he loses, at least he went for the hardest guy in the divison instead of fightin bums in his home town

19y ago

SalvaDominicano

20y ago

The_Troll

You have to admit its pretty funny when people call him Gayweather.

20y ago

DLT

You make some very interesting points... however you are as blinded as the next person is about there fav boxer. Mayweather uses names as much as any other boxer out there. I believe he is P4P the best in the business at the moment. I think he will be considered one of the best ever in time, however I going to pull you up on one or two points: DLH would beat Floyd - to assume any diffrent is stupid Tell me when Hatton turned Mayweather down.... DLH would beat Floyd? No way and it wouldnt even be a close fight. Almost any expert will tell you that Floyd is a bad matchup for Oscar. The only thing that saves him is the weight but that still wont be enough. Im even more convinced after the Mayorga fight as crazy as that sounds. If you watch the fight back and look at Oscar then you would see that Mayorga is made for Oscar and that Floyd will be completely different. I see this being a easy fight that will be sad to watch by the later rounds

20y ago

beezy_14

Good Post Rocco1252, I'm sure the fighter's with good trainer's try to apply this method I think it's just harder to actually pull it off. And since PBF is 1 of the best defensive fighter's as well you have to be willing to take 2 0r 3 to land a good 1(have to accept that to have a chance IMO). He's also 1 of the smartest so he makes great adjustments i.e. Zab, Castillo 2, and doesn't get greedy or impatient meaning he'll win on points if need be. The other thing I think fighter's make the mistake of is thinking he has no punch, like chop chop said he hits harder then you think. So he doesn't have 1 punch power but since he's so accurate and quick they eventually take their toll.

20y ago

rocco1252

I think PBF always said "If it makes dollar's it makes sense" so he's admitting he cares about the money, and let's be real he's the P4P king now (wether ppl like him or not)so he should wanna get big money for his fight's from now til he retires(he's almost 30). IMO fighting Oscar for twice as much money at 154 which he's small at welter (and I'm a fan and admit that) is a challenge and if he win's is a big win for him. Then he could fight Margorito or Hatton and it would draw more money, Oscar,SRL and any other top dog used there leverage when they could that's the business. And about smoke and mirrors at 140, if Hatton was "the man" and he said he wasn't ready twice then that's not avoiding the top fight. The Judah that fought PBF at 147 could challenge any welter because that was the focused Judah and he MADE PBF adjust and show his superiority. It's a double standard some ppl picked Gatti to challenge PBF then they downplay the win because PBF dominated him(same with corrales). Then Hatton is talking about fighting Gatti next and there's no problem with that, and don't say you'd rather have PBF had faced Baldomir then Judah. He gave PBF some trouble and they already had the fight planned anyway, if he would've crushed Baldomir then yall would say he's tryna just get belt's etc. With all that being said he's not invincible and can lose but give the man his credit. P.S. it's funny Ring mag still has Hatton in there top P4P ranking's , would it be that way if PBF or Winky had a controversial win over a good but not Elite fighter? I definately down play Gatti due to the fact he tried to beat Mayweather at his own game. If Gatti of old was fighting I think he had a shot at actually lasting 12 rounds, but he gave Mayweather every opportunity to t off on him and let Mayweather actually box him which was a huge mistake. He should have cut off the ring, got inside and actually squared off toe to toe until Mayweather moved to the outside and started boxing again in which case you would work your way back in put him against the ropes in the corner and so on. Everyone who fights Mayweather thinks they can beat him but they never will as long as they try to box him it's so stupid.

20y ago

beezy_14

20y ago

rocco1252

He's the next Roy Jones Jr... exactly! fighting guys that are mediocre so he doesnt lose then one day he gets called a bum for fighting these guys. My opinion says he will do this not fight any true talent on the top of their game until one day he does and gets knocked the fuck out and then still gets called a bum because he never tested himself before. Either that or he retires at a real young age for a boxer just so he can retire undefeated. I dont think he is unbeatable, fighters just try to beat him at his game which is boxing , and you cant do that against him he is the type of fighter you need to smother and not give him any opportunity to pick and chose his shots and dont give him the distance to move around.

20y ago

ThunderGatti

The last elite fighter that he fought was Castillo at 135... AGREED! And I also agree with DLT as well. But the facts are PBF did not fight the best at jr welter and welter. Lets compare this for a second since PBF came to jr welter and welter to Ricky Hatton circa 2005 (and for the record I am not card carrying member of team hatton) Hatton has fought the champ at jr welter Kosta Tzsyu and Maussa who also had a title at 140. PBF has fought Henry Brussels(a guy who is probably not ranked in the top 20) and Arturo Gatti (a title holder. I belive the edge in difficult competition goes to Hatton. Now PBF moves to welter, what is his first fight? a faded aharmbra mitchell. Hatton's first fight a title holder and a top 10 opponet in Collazo. Hell even Gatti fought a guy ranked in the top ten at welter in his first fight at 147. And ppl r now saying what about Judah PBF fought him, yea Judah who was coming off a mentaly devistating loss, and this bad for somebody who doesnt have it all up there to begin with. And im not making excuses. I think history will prove Judah is not a elite fighter. But if the PBF fans want the Judah victory take it! I just come from the foundation that to be the best u must beat the best. And PBF is certainly not doing that. Why should he be p4p #1 based on excellent wins 5-7 yrs ago? sorry that doesnt cut it in my book, sign the Margorito contract. PBF says its not about the $ yet he turned down 8 mill to fight Margarito. WHat bullshit, PBF has used smoke and mirrors to get through 140 and 147 division and you guys r buying

20y ago

iron_mike_tyson

20y ago

cortdawg25

hatton has turned down floyd all of 2005 and 2006, its been said by his father and handlers that they dont want no parts of Floyd til 2007. Even Hatton said he needs to build his name up in the US to make the fight better, which I feel, but at the same time I think he knows he cant win. Thats the reason why he wants to fight Castillo, to see how he does and to give himself some needed swagger.

20y ago

pink_panther

20y ago

uppercut_84

Floyd needs to unify the belts in the welterweight division, instead of just winning 1 belt and moving up each time. His got to fight these 3 guys in Welterweight: Hatton (WBA belt) Baldomir (WBC belt, unless he loses to Gatti) Margarito After that, he could look to end his career by winning world title at Light Middleweight.

20y ago

guru

Floyd Mayweather is the best in the world! He may infact prove to be greater than sugar ray robinson! but is he better than andrew golota? :D

20y ago

DLT

Hatton and Cotto gettin older? Ain't Floyd like 29-30 years old? Cotto is just 25 (don't know bout Ricky). About Floyd fightin elite guys after Oscar I don't agree, I hope he does. I don't want him to be the next Roy Jones and waste his incredible talent. when I said there getting older, I meant that they are getting old enough where they will fight him. 1st they were too young & green but soon they will be ready for big fights. Hatton is nearly there now and Im sure Cotto will have a big fight if he beats Paulie. Thats what I meant by getting older

20y ago

DLT

What I mean is that he is like Jones in the sense that ppl have him as the p4p #1 guy not for having great fight, but just cuz of his skills. The last elite fighter that he fought was Castillo at 135... whats good borikua, I havent seen you in awhile. Evidently you didnt read my thread but I cant blame you because of the length but my thread was about, name me one elite fighter he couldve faced but didnt? He wanted those other fights but still couldnt get them. He still has some very solid wins. Also, he is in a much better position then he has ever been in and guys like Hatton & Cotto are getting older, so my point is that if Floyd gets the Oscar fight, then I think we will only see elite fights for him from here on out. Do you agree with that? Also, I cant wait to see my boy Paulie take on Cotto. It should be fun

20y ago

DLT

Floyd Mayweather Jr. will retire as one of the THREE greatest boxers to ever do it, I'm telling you. If he beats De La Hoya, Margarito, Hatton, and the middleweight champion of the world, before retiring UNDEFEATED, I think you can make the case he is the greatest fighter of all time. With that said, he is in a tough spot with the Baldomir/Judah/Margarito/De La Hoya deal and here's why. While we all know Judah is better than Baldomir, Floyd should have fought the real champ at 147 and not Judah, despite the money and the personal feud (which was total bullshit it turns out). Now Gatti is in a position to become the recognized 147 champion and FLOYD ALREADY BEAT HIM AT 140. Floyd can say he's the better fighter, but if Gatti beats Baldomir, Mayweather cannot say he is the 147 champ over Gatti. As far as Margarito and De La Hoya goes, we all know Oscar is light years better than Margarito and brings a ridiculous amount of money to the table for Floyd so nobody better say any shit about Mayweather not fighting Margarito before Oscar. I dont know about that one. Im sure some haters like Brian Kenny will say it but I dont think there is anyway that people will consider Gatti the real champ over Floyd after what they saw Floyd do to him. What they will do, because they hate Floyd so much is that they will say that Margarito is the real Champ over both of them. If Baldy wins then you could argue he is more of a real champ but I still dont see most people with eye's buying that one either

20y ago