hatton well packaged money making machine

Hatton got a surprise in his first fight at 147, but winning a world title in his first figtht at the weight isn't exactly a disgrace now is it? It was a typical grinding fight, it just didn't work as well against a stronger guy than he's used to. The fight was close and the decision could have gone either way IMO. If we are to apply similar criteria to assessing fighters i.e. quality of opposition and what have you done lately, where would you rate PBF for example? His last 3 years have been pretty slim pickings for fight fans. Shouldn't he be in his prime and unifying divisions and seeking out top P4P opponents? Why the 140 division leapfrog, then fight a welterweight who got beat last time out and pretend it's in the class of Ali-Frazier I? Hatton has Tszyu, Maussa and Collazo in his last 3 fights, not too shabby. We definitely need to see more of Hatton to see where he really fits in the P4P picture, but use the same criteria for others too. I don't see Hatton ducking anyone, but I do believe he should go back to 140 where he has a strength advantage.

True, but all boxers who show an ounce of potential bcome 'well packaged money making machines,' if the right manager finds them. Are you saying that Mayweather is any different? or Cotto? there all the same, whats ur point?

all i want is, after ricky gets dropped in his next semi-big fight and loses, is for the british to stay on these boards. they're big time contributors and would be a detriment to bs.com if they decided to leave to go to some pansy across the pond forum.

you obviously are a fan of ricky, so am i however most fans who know there boxing will see by your views that you are a bit biased. fact is he has not fought a top fighter in there prime all his oppenents are old and over the hill.

By the way even if he loses a big name fight it doent mean he is done but at this rate he is going to lose to a fringe opponent and that would seriously hurt his carrer. Take the big fights ricky and as long as you put on a good show people will respect you

Well intersting post, but one thing I would like to add is that people even myself forget how resilient Hatton is. I mean the guy got pounded on in the 12 and still finished the round going forward , pressing the action and took control the last 30 seconds or so. I saw him appear stunned by a few punches a couple of times but decided then thought better of it decided that he wasn't hurt because he recopperated so quickly. That and Collazo's KO record had me doubting that Ricky was rocked a little until Ricky admitted that he was rocked a few times and not just in the 12 :eek: . Just an interesting observation I thought I'd share after viewing the fight for the 3rd time. Damn, it was an exciting fight better than a lot of PPV's I've purchased recently. Wouldn't mind seeing it again.

I dont want to hate on Ricky and maybe it was just a bad first impresion but I was pumped to see him fight callazo especially with all the buzz surounding him (fighter of the year) and everything I read about him on these forums so I was dispointed with his performace. I think he won the fight but just by the skin of his teeth without that early knockdown I would have given it to callazo. I wont try to take anything away from him about his win over Tsyzu but in my oppinion the jury is still out over Hatton big time. His next 2 or 3 fights will be the deciding factor and I hope he takes on some Big name opponents. His carrer so far has some big question marks and now is the time for him to clear them up. What is he waiting for? his fan base is big enough in England and Americas obiviously want to see him fight so I think its time for Ricky to step up.

I Agree with many parts off your fourm convo But to say Tszyu was past it is rather poor, give hatton some credit for tht win. Tszyu was P4P top 5 before this fight the number one man in the divison he had just destoryd mitchell in classic Kostya style he was in top shape 4 the hatton bout, As many people i thought Tszyu would have blew hatton out the ring but i was wrong u gotta give him credit for tht :D Listen, we see it time after time that athletes are over hyped way to fast...it seems that the media and the fans are so quick to appoint the new young prospect as "Great" because they want to believe they are looking at greatness in their life time. Notice how few there were talking about what Hatton was talking about his advantages over Tszyu were...how come it wasn't brought up after the fight in the media that Hatton was saying all along that he had the age advantage, the activity advantage, and the home-court advantage; Even his promoter, Frank Warren said, "We fought Kostya Tszyu at the RIGHT TIME", "We were able to get him to fight in Manchester, and that gives us the advantage" {not sure of the exact words on that second quote, but close enough} People have always ignored the facts because their minds are clouded with excitment. Do you know both Emanuel and Sugar Ray Leonard said that Ricky Hatton would win the fight...they were the few that said he would win, yet I barely heard a word of this in the media. Kostya Tszyu was still a good fighter and could of been "back" if he would of taking a tune-up fight where it lasted at least into the 8th round. Fighting a pressure fighter that has been going 12 rounds, while you barely have been fighting half a fight, and have been inactive, is a big mistake. If Kostya was in "top shape" for the Hatton fight he wouldn't have struggled to make weight. I don't blame Hatton as much as I blame Kostya Tszyu for making the mistakes he made in his career. You would think that these fighters would learn from the past history of Fighters in their sport, but yet it doesn't seem that way. Hatton still beat a good Kostya Tszyu, but not a motivated and active fighter, plus the circumstances helped. I just wonder, even with Tszyu's lack of activity, age, etc., if this fight had a American ref, if it wouldn't have ended different; no grappling for 6 rounds to wear down Tszyu, might have been a big difference. I just wish that this could of been a different fight: that if Hatton won, it would of been because he outboxed and wore down Tszyu, not the grappling action we saw.

u clearly will do any thing to defend a bum american fighter, that had a good nites fight?!! Not sure who you are talking about, are you talking about Vince Phillips win over Tszyu? If so: Vince was having problems with drug use before he fought Tszyu, this was messing up his career... he got himself together and was training with both Roy Jones and Emanuel Steward, not a bad choice to get you back on your feet... Vince Phillips was a good amatuer, a good pro, and was motivated...Kostya was going through some problems outside of the ring, not to mention Kostya has a big Ego and when he is winning he becomes to relaxed in his position; he thought he could battle outside problems while trying to fight on a high level, obviously it didn't work. Did Kostya deserve to lose, yes, he made the outside and inside mistakes; he didn't come fully prepared and that is what happens. So please be more specific what you are talking about so that I can answer your question

can`t some of you guy`s see through the clever way ricky has been managed yes he is a good fighter but nowhere near great he has never fought a young hungry contender apart from collazo. for eg eamon magee put him down and give him a tough fight and then goes and loses his next 2 fights. for a number of years ricky fights over the hill fighters who have lost there previous fights or are nealy 40 years old like vince, tackie, oliveira and co, he then is matched against tszyu who has boxed just 3 rounds in over 2 years and is 38 years old. full credit must be given to frank warren but also shows the gullerbility of a lot of fight fans, yes ricky is a good fighter but once he comes up against a genuine top fighter he will come unstuck. I Agree with many parts off your fourm convo But to say Tszyu was past it is rather poor, give hatton some credit for tht win. Tszyu was P4P top 5 before this fight the number one man in the divison he had just destoryd mitchell in classic Kostya style he was in top shape 4 the hatton bout, As many people i thought Tszyu would have blew hatton out the ring but i was wrong u gotta give him credit for tht :D

he may have been groomed into a money making machine, but does anyone else see the problem with a guy getting to a 40+ wins with no losses record and not being proven? He was supposedly last year's fighter of the year, yet now everyone is saying he isnt proven. I'm not sure I understand this whole situation. I think Hatton is a good fighter, with some power, but not at 147. He will have some serious problems if he continues on at 147. Oscar would floor him, PBF will floor him, I think Judah would floor him. I think a good fight for Hatton at this point is Gatti. I would buy into that fight. I see their styles as similar and would love to see them stand in the center of the ring and slug it out till one (or both) of them drop. If Hatton's handlers would like to keep him as a big money maker, then they should stay away from the mega fights for at least now. Maybe this was just a bad first impression, I'm not sure, but if this is how Hatton is going to look at 147 he should get out now and say "I won a title at 147" and be done with it. Soda

Ricky has always had trouble with southpaw's and Magee knocked him out because Hatton went in all guns blazing in the first round and didn't watch his defence, Collazo - another southpaw, a world champion..a new weight, what the fuck were you expecting son? a master class performance from The Hitman? dont be stupid.It was always going to be an ugly fight because of the circumstances Oliveira - Yes he was old, but before he had fought Hatton he'd won his last 3 fights so it's not as if he was completely washed out before the fight, Vince Phillips - He beat Tszyu, 'nuff said ( cant be that much of a bad fighter? ) Tackie - Went the full distance with Sharmba Mitchell one fight before he fought Hatton..( but i suppose your going to say something like, Mitchell is a bum? ) Tszyu - ' past his prime ' right? like someone else said on these forums not one person was saying this before the fight, so why start now? if it was PBF who had beat him you would still be ravin bout it now and ridin' his dick. Ricky Hatton is the real deal i can assure you, his last performance was a one of. I have never seen him fight so badly ( yet he still won? ) that shows his class. I couldn't give a shit what the majority of Americans think about Ricky. The English lads on this forum know he is for real and thats all that matter's Next,... all of you brits are the same saying you don't care what americans think but it's obvious that you do or you wouldn't be on here trying to build up your fighters. hatton didn't look good unless you think holding looks good, he should of got knocked out a few times if there was a good ref in there he probably would of or lost on points because there should of been deductions for all of the holding he was doing. the point is he hasn't proved himself as of yet to most of the american public and if he got rocked like that by someone who isn't known for knockouts he is going to have a rough time with the big hitters.

Vince Phillips - He beat Tszyu, 'nuff said ( cant be that much of a bad fighter? ) Tackie - Went the full distance with Sharmba Mitchell one fight before he fought Hatton..( but i suppose your going to say something like, Mitchell is a bum? ) Tszyu - ' past his prime ' right? like someone else said on these forums not one person was saying this before the fight, so why start now? if it was PBF who had beat him you would still be ravin bout it now and ridin' his dick. Ricky Hatton is the real deal i can assure you, his last performance was a one of. I have never seen him fight so badly ( yet he still won? ) that shows his class. I couldn't give a shit what the majority of Americans think about Ricky. Us English know he is for real and thats all that matter's Next,... Vince Phillip was shot more times than 50 cent when Hatton fought him...you can't believe that was the same fighter. Tackie: another fighter not in his prime and not the same fighter he once was...I am not saying it would of mattered, but it would of been a much more competitive fight. Kostya Tszyu: I made my points several times, but I will do it again: It is no secret that the guy fought 9 rounds in 3 years; was coming of a long layoff do to 2 serious injuries, which can be a sign of inactivity, aging, and trying to drain your body down to 140lbs when it has out-grown the weight-class. A 35 year old fighter is not the same fighter as when he was younger, when the Hormones were higher, the Hunger was more, the reflexes were better, and the endurance was at its peak. Lets not forget the circumstance in that fight too: the grappling for 5-6 rounds to wear out the old Champion; that was coming off a layoff of injuries; a fighter that struggled to make weight and looked more depleted at the weighin than I have ever seen him, though he didn't look to good in the Sharmba Mitchell weighin too, and I wonder if that fight went into the later rounds, if he was pressured a bit more, if his stamina wouldn't have showed its flaw. People over blew that victory over Mitchell: both Tyson and Steward said that Mitchell was scared to death in the locker room before the fight; he went in scared, got caught with one big punch that stunned him and he folded; the fight also didn't last long.

Ricky got handled. maybe u havent watched enough boxing matches cuz u dont know what handled means. Lewis handled Tyson in their match. NOW, thats handling. HAtton got rocked but rocked back. nuff said. :cool:

Ricky got handled.

can`t some of you guy`s see through the clever way ricky has been managed yes he is a good fighter but nowhere near great he has never fought a young hungry contender apart from collazo. for eg eamon magee put him down and give him a tough fight and then goes and loses his next 2 fights. for a number of years ricky fights over the hill fighters who have lost there previous fights or are nealy 40 years old like vince, tackie, oliveira and co, he then is matched against tszyu who has boxed just 3 rounds in over 2 years and is 38 years old. full credit must be given to frank warren but also shows the gullerbility of a lot of fight fans, yes ricky is a good fighter but once he comes up against a genuine top fighter he will come unstuck. Ricky has always had trouble with southpaw's and Magee knocked him out because Hatton went in all guns blazing in the first round and didn't watch his defence, Collazo - another southpaw, a world champion..a new weight, what the fuck were you expecting son? a master class performance from The Hitman? dont be stupid.It was always going to be an ugly fight because of the circumstances Oliveira - Yes he was old, but before he had fought Hatton he'd won his last 3 fights so it's not as if he was completely washed out before the fight, Vince Phillips - He beat Tszyu, 'nuff said ( cant be that much of a bad fighter? ) Tackie - Went the full distance with Sharmba Mitchell one fight before he fought Hatton..( but i suppose your going to say something like, Mitchell is a bum? ) Tszyu - ' past his prime ' right? like someone else said on these forums not one person was saying this before the fight, so why start now? if it was PBF who had beat him you would still be ravin bout it now and ridin' his dick. Ricky Hatton is the real deal i can assure you, his last performance was a one of. I have never seen him fight so badly ( yet he still won? ) that shows his class. I couldn't give a shit what the majority of Americans think about Ricky. The English lads on this forum know he is for real and thats all that matter's Next,...

can`t some of you guy`s see through the clever way ricky has been managed yes he is a good fighter but nowhere near great he has never fought a young hungry contender apart from collazo. for eg eamon magee put him down and give him a tough fight and then goes and loses his next 2 fights. for a number of years ricky fights over the hill fighters who have lost there previous fights or are nealy 40 years old like vince, tackie, oliveira and co, he then is matched against tszyu who has boxed just 3 rounds in over 2 years and is 38 years old. full credit must be given to frank warren but also shows the gullerbility of a lot of fight fans, yes ricky is a good fighter but once he comes up against a genuine top fighter he will come unstuck. i agree and your points are nicely well put. good note and good back up material. nice work...... :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

Yes and Collazo is crap as well..He had his best chance to beat an out of sorts Hatton and still couldn't pull it off..

Couldn't have put it better myself