Wladimir looked great, but Rahman is the champ

I aint calling Wlad the MAN just yet. IMO he needs to get just one more belt to have any claim for the HW crown. I also believe that beatin the Rock would be the best option. But so far things look much better for the HW division than pre Byrd fight. That is IMO. That is my opinion too. Perfectly said.

judah was dropped in the spinks fight and severly wobbled and running for round 7 against baldomir. up to that point, judah was in complete control (against baldy) i agree that judah with a chin def would have beaten baldy and probably spinks. he was outpunched and out pointed in both fights. chin wasnt the reason he lost. nough said

According to all Klitschko fans, Rahman should be the rightful champion. You called Vitali champion for chasing Lewis away so don't be hypocritical now. With the longest reigning champ out of the way, there is no doubt Rahman is the champ. After all, he chased Vitali into retirement. If the Ring does not name Rahman the official heavyweight champion, then they are biased. instead of reading through this whole thread, i'll just comment on the initial post made here. vitali had actually fought lennox, and said he would do it again. lewis had made public many times that he was going to fight vk again. time passed as ll still held onto the belt with no word of what he was actually going to do. then, on the verge of being stripped, he retired. what makes this so intriguing, is that lewis had wanted to rematch mike tyson, vitali klitschko, and fight wladimir and roy jones before he retired. after the klitschko fight, his plans had dramatically changed. now vitali had suffured through numerous injuries, officially postponing the bout with rahman twice. after vk weighed in on his condition, he decided to retire - and retire honorably instead of clinging on to the strap. as mentioned yesterday, if you saw the fight, vitali said to merchant that his leg still doesn't feel stable. a huge difference in circumstances - as vk actually made numerous attempts to get into top form for the rahman fight whereas ll just removed himself from the boxing scene after promising a rematch with vitali. oh, i almost forgot about how long lewis had stalled the initial mandatory defence against vk. there's even more, but i've already said enough.

when VK retired the #1 heavey was byrd, simply cause he had the belt so long, hadn't lost in 4-5 years and had beaten some decent oppostion... there was no way i could put rahman over byrd, based on the poor opposition rahmna had been facing and losses to ruiz and holyfield(who byrd beat).....

i care so much what has care got to do with it. you were wrong and that seems to be the only thing you could come upp with

uuuuuuuuum wk is ukrainien not russian. i care so much

Does'nt matter what Judah won in that fight. The fact is he got KO'd :boxing: :boxing: Right. The point was made by someone else saying that if Judah had a chin he would only have one loss. I disagreed.

uhm,,,he'd also have losses to cory spinks and baldomir who both decisioned him,,,lol. nice try tho. judah is a bitch period judah was dropped in the spinks fight and severly wobbled and running for round 7 against baldomir. up to that point, judah was in complete control (against baldy) i agree that judah with a chin def would have beaten baldy and probably spinks.

I would love to see Valuev vs. Klitschko. Would they both go through with that fight? I doubt either would because of Russian love or whatever uuuuuuuuum wk is ukrainien not russian.

It's a shame people even call that gimmick a champion, Valuev that is. Straight from the WWF. And then he lost to John Ruiz. Now Ruiz is claiming he's screwed. So anti-climatic. Wanted John Ruiz to retire or lose his belt from an ass whooping and he gets screwed by some ogre in Germany. There is no justice in this world. By the way... Chin makes Vitali better. Imagine Judah with a chin? He would only have one defeat (against Floyd). uhm,,,he'd also have losses to cory spinks and baldomir who both decisioned him,,,lol. nice try tho. judah is a bitch period

He was willing to fight his better brother Vitali, FOUR TIMES too. Why wouldn't he fight a glass chin version of his brother? because he's much quicker and hits harder. nough said

I would love to see Valuev vs. Klitschko. Would they both go through with that fight? I doubt either would because of Russian love or whatever

Can someone give me the links to the alphabet organization's websites w/ rankings?

Not really sure why you say that. Judah won the first round against Tszyu, and Tszyu clearly won the second before landing the huge right at the end of the round. If Judah takes that KD better, who knows what would have happened. It was one round a piece. Judah was also beat by Spinks, with the KD not having much of an effect, because of the Spinks KD in the 12th. (though it was a questionable win). Does'nt matter what Judah won in that fight. The fact is he got KO'd :boxing: :boxing:

IImagine Judah with a chin? He would only have one defeat (against Floyd). Not really sure why you say that. Judah won the first round against Tszyu, and Tszyu clearly won the second before landing the huge right at the end of the round. If Judah takes that KD better, who knows what would have happened. It was one round a piece. Judah was also beat by Spinks, with the KD not having much of an effect, because of the Spinks KD in the 12th. (though it was a questionable win).

It's a shame people even call that gimmick a champion, Valuev that is. Straight from the WWF. And then he lost to John Ruiz. Now Ruiz is claiming he's screwed. So anti-climatic. Wanted John Ruiz to retire or lose his belt from an ass whooping and he gets screwed by some ogre in Germany. There is no justice in this world. By the way... Chin makes Vitali better. Imagine Judah with a chin? He would only have one defeat (against Floyd). I agree with the Bolded. But the fact remains that Judah has worlds of skill. Vitali is one of the least skilled heavyweight champs in recent memory. The guy is like a big, tough robot. Imagine Wladimir with a chin? jesus H Christ. Nobody could come close to touching him. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

It's a shame people even call that gimmick a champion, Valuev that is. Straight from the WWF. And then he lost to John Ruiz. Now Ruiz is claiming he's screwed. So anti-climatic. Wanted John Ruiz to retire or lose his belt from an ass whooping and he gets screwed by some ogre in Germany. There is no justice in this world. By the way... Chin makes Vitali better. Imagine Judah with a chin? He would only have one defeat (against Floyd). nah, he lsot to donald but won fair over ruiz

It's a shame people even call that gimmick a champion, Valuev that is. Straight from the WWF. And then he lost to John Ruiz. Now Ruiz is claiming he's screwed. So anti-climatic. Wanted John Ruiz to retire or lose his belt from an ass whooping and he gets screwed by some ogre in Germany. There is no justice in this world. By the way... Chin makes Vitali better. Imagine Judah with a chin? He would only have one defeat (against Floyd). Wlad is a much better fighter than Vitali. He has a better arsenal of weapons, is alot smarter, and more experienced. The only thing I could give the edge to was his Chin of course. But outside of that Vitali doesn't stack up. Plus Valuev would get murdered if he fought Wladimir. That big bastard couldn't handle the handspeed and punching power.....because he's never faced someone with that type of combination before.

He was willing to fight his better brother Vitali, FOUR TIMES too. Why wouldn't he fight a glass chin version of his brother? good question, wlad-valuev would be very cool

He was willing to fight his better brother Vitali, FOUR TIMES too. Why wouldn't he fight a glass chin version of his brother? Wlad is a much better fighter than Vitali. He has a better arsenal of weapons, is alot smarter, and more experienced. The only thing I could give the edge to was his Chin of course. But outside of that Vitali doesn't stack up. Plus Valuev would get murdered if he fought Wladimir. That big bastard couldn't handle the handspeed and punching power.....because he's never faced someone with that type of combination before. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!