I am sick of "Let's Play It Save"

most fighters who run tend to be non ko artist but they make that choice , but I do think its better to be safe than sorry I know it's better in a certain way, I just don't like it. Chris Byrd doesn't do it, for instance - no big hitter really.

Right. In football you don't go for it on fourth down when you are winning in the fourth quarter. Football is a game, a team game. Boxing is different, two men punching each other in the face, there is no ball, no team mates, just you, your opponent and the canvas. :D

playing it safe? if you got the fight won, will give the other guy a chance to steal it away Right. In football you don't go for it on fourth down when you are winning in the fourth quarter.

thats why i respect Ruiz he's not fun but he's smart ...don't care for him myself but he does what he needs to do ...my hats off to him for that more about john ruiz

On the other hand you got boxers that really fight the best and try as hard as they can. Lamon Brewster, John Ruiz, Hasim Rahman, Joe Calzaghe / Jeff Lacy, Mayweather. Do you agree with me? :) you asked about ruiz

I agree I like boxers who come to fight, but big money spoiled everything.....

Has anyone mentioned John Ruiz?

its like tedddy atlas says it takes 2 guys make a clinch happen 1 guy holds and the other guy lets him its an unspoken deal.

Wlad beat the fuck out of Peter, to the point of Peter staggering around in the last round with blood pouring out of his mouth and nose and his face grossly swollen. Holding doesn't do that, geniuses. Those right hands he was dropping on him all night did it. Wlad tied up when they got in close or when he needed a rest, choosing to land and circle from the outside. Exactly like Ali fought Frazier and several others. It is nothing like Ruiz or any others who hold and then hold and then clinch some more and then jab and then clinch again. Wlad landed an insane number of power punches through the fight and held when he felt uncomfortable on the inside. A smart tactic which led to him dominating the fight, other than really one round with the one legit knockdown. Nobody questions his ability to dish out. He, as it seems to me, is like a school bully: a tall and big guy beating up on other smaller ones, when they fight back he wets his pants.

Wlad beat the fuck out of Peter, to the point of Peter staggering around in the last round with blood pouring out of his mouth and nose and his face grossly swollen. Holding doesn't do that, geniuses. Those right hands he was dropping on him all night did it. Wlad tied up when they got in close or when he needed a rest, choosing to land and circle from the outside. Exactly like Ali fought Frazier and several others. It is nothing like Ruiz or any others who hold and then hold and then clinch some more and then jab and then clinch again. Wlad landed an insane number of power punches through the fight and held when he felt uncomfortable on the inside. A smart tactic which led to him dominating the fight, other than really one round with the one legit knockdown.

He encouraged him to hold against a big time power puncher. You think Byrd can dent his chin? That is doubtfull. Thinking Klitchko will clinch in all his fights from now on is like thinking that Hatton will do so. I didn't say he will, just wait and see.

Have seen about 40 of his fights. Emanuel Stewart might encourage him to hold now, something Fritz Sdunek didn't really do. He encouraged him to hold against a big time power puncher. You think Byrd can dent his chin? That is doubtfull. Thinking Klitchko will clinch in all his fights from now on is like thinking that Hatton will do so.

Maybe if you have seen fights than his Sam Peter fight you wouldnt have such crass notions. Have seen about 40 of his fights. Emanuel Stewart might encourage him to hold now, something Fritz Sdunek didn't really do.

What if he holds on against Byrd? It could happen, I wouldn't even be surprised. Maybe if you have seen fights than his Sam Peter fight you wouldnt have such crass notions.

yeah, and its not like every one of his fights is a hug-a-thon. a lot of people had sam peter marked as the second coming of george foreman. i think a lot of boxers would be "playing it safe" against him too. What if he holds on against Byrd? It could happen, I wouldn't even be surprised.

But boxing fans say Ruiz is an untalented clubfighter while Klitschko is supposed to be the most talented HW (by many, not me). Besides, he is 6'7''. yeah, and its not like every one of his fights is a hug-a-thon. a lot of people had sam peter marked as the second coming of george foreman. i think a lot of boxers would be "playing it safe" against him too.

LOL...funny quote. i didnt see the fight, and therefore have no authority to comment, but i personally think that if tying up the guy is what works, then it works. it wasnt like he was jabbing and grabbing like ruiz. he was landing hooks and straights too. But boxing fans say Ruiz is an untalented clubfighter while Klitschko is supposed to be the most talented HW (by many, not me). Besides, he is 6'7''.

exactly. Wlad is scared of gettin hit bottom line. He hugged Pete like a grandma he hasn't seen in years. Gay tactic IMO. Undeserving of respect. LOL...funny quote. i didnt see the fight, and therefore have no authority to comment, but i personally think that if tying up the guy is what works, then it works. it wasnt like he was jabbing and grabbing like ruiz. he was landing hooks and straights too.

As I said before, playing it save is smart - besides, a win is a win. But I also think that it is no pleasure to watch when a boxer wins who was knocked down three times and scared of getting hit while the brave agressor who wasn't even down once loses.

I don't see the logic behind your argument. I know, you know, everybody knows that Wladimir would get knocked into next week if he decided to trade with Sam Peter. A fighter can't fight out of his element. Another problem is, and I'm not naming names, is there are alot of fighters that don't go hard in sparring. They are used to only fighting in comfort zones, as opposed to facing adversity and growing.