Ease up on JM Marquez

Nacho Beristain is a world-class trainer. Nothing stupid about that. He's just a terrible manager. If Beristain has a concience about what happened to his fighter, who has been affected by this in and out of the ring, he would be the first to agree with me about his stupidity. I aint questioning his training ability, but he definitely fucked Marquez up with this one. For all Marquez' greatness and accolades that are attributed to the skills of Beristain as a trainer, Marquez really aint done shit because of him. Very stupid for not knowing his place and fuckin up the career and life of a potentially great fighter.

Ahhh where? Here on this site? Who saw it? :confused: Scott Mallon. He's a writer for SweetScience.com, he covered the fight in Borneo. In bold letters, he retorted back to those doubting Thomases at the BoxRec forum - NOTHING FISHY! Chris John was too slick for JMMarquez, outworked him 12 rounds. Give credit to where it's due, congratulations should be in order - to Chris John!

JMM doesn't want anything to do with Pac. I still want to see the rematch though, i want Pac to pummel JMM just to settle things up. i can imagine excuses like "jmm is past his prime" after jmm-pac 2 if it it ever happens.

he did gave him a chance and he already blew it. what's your impresion to a fighter whom you have given a chance but discarded your challenge, and then after seeing his career fall, he will come back to you and say, "ok i'll fight you now. coz i have no where else to go. you're my only way to get my career back on track. without you i will be lost in oblivion." dont you think its kinda unfair for Pacman if he will give JMM a chance? Pac has rage war against tough challenges after JMM and was successful in most of it. JMM took on poor quality opponents and lost to CJ. i think JMM needs to rebuild himself first to make himself worthy of fighting with the Pacman. after JMM's loss, sad to say, but maybe no network will put up money for the fight, PAC purse would be around 1-1.5M...

i just hope i can get to see the fight. it's almost a given that they will give all the close rounds to John, thus the lopsided scores. i still want a JMM-Pac rematch. 'hope they still give JMM a chance, he must want the Pac rematch now. he did gave him a chance and he already blew it. what's your impresion to a fighter whom you have given a chance but discarded your challenge, and then after seeing his career fall, he will come back to you and say, "ok i'll fight you now. coz i have no where else to go. you're my only way to get my career back on track. without you i will be lost in oblivion." dont you think its kinda unfair for Pacman if he will give JMM a chance? Pac has rage war against tough challenges after JMM and was successful in most of it. JMM took on poor quality opponents and lost to CJ. i think JMM needs to rebuild himself first to make himself worthy of fighting with the Pacman.

tsk tsk, i may never see PAC proving the pundits wrong on JMM... PAC-JMM 2 was the rematch i love to see, even more than PAC-MAB 2...

JMM and REALLY STUPID Beristain wanted ridiculous money that was beyond the budget for that fight. JMM's management started out with a figure that was laughable and made it hard for those negotiating to take them seriously with how ridiculous it was. They did not want even money, they wanted more money and ended up settling for WAAAAAY less. Still hard to understand. Nobody can be that stupid but I guess Beristain was. I agree that Barrera needs to rebuild his confidence, but the amount of time it is taking is letting everybody know that his confidence was completely destroyed by pacquiao in their fight. If Barrera ever faces Pacquiao again, only time can tell. or maybe thats just their way of showing lighter view of avoiding a rematch. concealing their FEAR of winning against a better fighter.

Piece of shit disgrace? Calm down and realize that he is a real fighter and your just some guy on an internet forum. who's a real fighter? you call JMM a real fighter? i dont see anything in him that showed him a real fighter. a real fighter for me is one who will do everything in his capability to prove himself as a better warior specially from a controversial fight. if you see jMM as a real fighter after running away from a good challenge with Pacman, then that reflects your image with the likes of JMM who considers being a CHICKEN GAY is a real fighter. is this why you call yourself educated? where is the intellect in your posts? sometimes some pretenders just claims too much of what they are than people who realy deserves the credit.

it says on Btalk that he point deductions came after 4 warnings. I was thinking the same thing at first, but I don't know, 4 warnings? I will not give an opinion til I have seen the fight. if you have seen Pac-JMM, how many times did you saw JMM hitting Pacman a low blow? but he was not given at least one deduction. i believe that it was very clear that JMM is not confident in his pure skill to win a fight agains a quality fighter. because he knows he's not capable. JMM requires himself to fight dirty to win. if JMM is realy a good boxer, those low blows couldnt have been accidental. it was far too frequent and the swing of punches was comming from below way to low. JMM never realy got my respect. ever.

It was their choice, and yes it was dumb. But to call them jokes, is a reflection on your lack of boxing knowledge. whoa! wait a minute. and you think you know better by saying that? well then, if you realy know boxing as you claim to be and you criticize others as uneducated... what do you think is the reason why you agreed that what they did was dumb and yet its not a joke? the way i understand it, it is kinda funny, hilarious a JOKE to realize that they refused to take $759k with Pac and take on $30k with CJ then lost. most normal people would think so. why then wouldnt you MR. CLAIMING EDUCATED... :boxing:

JMM and REALLY STUPID Beristain wanted ridiculous money that was beyond the budget for that fight. JMM's management started out with a figure that was laughable and made it hard for those negotiating to take them seriously with how ridiculous it was. They did not want even money, they wanted more money and ended up settling for WAAAAAY less. Still hard to understand. Nobody can be that stupid but I guess Beristain was. I agree that Barrera needs to rebuild his confidence, but the amount of time it is taking is letting everybody know that his confidence was completely destroyed by pacquiao in their fight. If Barrera ever faces Pacquiao again, only time can tell. Nacho Beristain is a world-class trainer. Nothing stupid about that. He's just a terrible manager.

pac was fighting JMM with a swollen hand. he could have KO'ed that ugly chicken. and now chris john schooled that bitch. yup. Pac was injured in that fight wit his left hand. That's the reason Marquez (counterpunches) threw more punches than Pac afta the 1st Round. It was a rare sight fo many people that know Pac. Errrtime Pac threw his left, it hurted him and that's the reason his activity level was low and Marquez capitalized on it. Still lucky cuz the judge made a scoring error that caused Pac the fight. He got lucky 2wice in that fight. Lucks run out and Chris John proved it today/night.

Too many people are passing harsh judgement on this fight before they've seen it. The two point deductions sound suspicious. John very well may have won fair and square, but he may have also had some home cooking. Calling JMM a fraud should really be reserved for those who've seen this fight. you may be right dud. but considering the fact that the JMM camp knows that there is a huge possibility of losing by decision, i can be certain that they have planned to win by KO. the big question there now is, why havent he did so? ... my answer to this is, i dont think JMM is capable on doing it to CJ. and that is where the toppics of JMM being over rated and too over confident to think he can KO CJ. just as he was over confident in demanding for a purse not worthy for him. that means their plan to KO CJ didnt work out. otherwise there's no point in seeing the fight ending by decision in a home advantage situation. the bottom line here is, all these are just the fruit of his concieted head which is only deserving of him. JMM's legacy has seemingly more of unproven testimonials and nothing more. since his draw against the Pacman he havnt even justified it by his performances against any other quality opponent(s). That's why some people cant help but think that JMM's draw against Pacman was a fluke...that JMM was just lucky for a point caused by a f*ucked up scoring and administrative favor by not recieveing deductions of the same low blow dirty tactics he did with CJ. JMM has shown consistency on this and he is in deed capable of doing it.

Totally agree. That's why Pac was able to expose him for 12 solid rounds. Oops, did I say that out loud? FAKE. Go FUCK yourself. remeber when I schooled you bout how JMM was lucky against Manny? Point proven!!! LOL!

whatever.... JMM is a fake!!!! LOL Totally agree. That's why Pac was able to expose him for 12 solid rounds. Oops, did I say that out loud? FAKE. Go FUCK yourself.

Damn, talk about bad management. Juan Manuel Marquez never overly impressed me, except in the Pacquiao fight. Pacquiao-John sounds very interesting to me.

i just hope i can get to see the fight. it's almost a given that they will give all the close rounds to John, thus the lopsided scores. i still want a JMM-Pac rematch. 'hope they still give JMM a chance, he must want the Pac rematch now.

as shown tonight? am i correct? this debate will not end until there is a rematch rematch prediction pac ko marquez 1st round with a right

Juan Manuel Marquez can box his ass off. Fraud? Please.

Only 3 types of people scored that fight for Marquez 1) Mexicans 2) Pacquiao haters (Barrera fans in general) 3) Guy Jutras I watched that fight a million times and tried to see how people scored it for JMM. I agree that JMM took many of the rounds after the 2nd but got caught and lost in some of the rounds as well. I gained alot of respect for the skill of JMM watchning the tape over and over. I had it closer than ledderman but still could not see how they had Marquez winnng that fight.