louis was a great boxer very smart and a very complete fighter ali and foreman both list him as number 1 but the truth is a 1967 clay/ali would probably have beaten him and could probably beat anyone
Today's All Time Top Ten:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Dempsey
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Mike Tyson
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Joe Frazier
9. Jack Johnson
10. George Foreman
Not a bad, list, I like that you give Larry Holmes his props, as I think people don't give him the respect that he deserves, was piling on the wins while taking on all comers. He never ducked any fighter and took on fighters that were very much being ducked by many fighters. Anyways,I would definitely lower Lennox Lewis and Tyson on that list, while raising Foreman, Johnson, and Frazier above them as they all have much better resumes than Tyson and Lewis.
Very tough to call imo, although I would probably put Louis at number 1, due to the fact that he was just do dominant, and dominated the division for so long. To me he is the textbook for what heavyweight boxing is about, he made good fighters look horrible, he was so powerful that he knocked out fighters like Max Baer for instance, who were percieved to be iron chinned. He alongwith a young Mike Tyson were sthe best finishers ever imo, when they had you hurt, they smelled blood, and wouldn't allow you to escape that ring. I would also say that he is the best ever in regards to rematches, he may have struggled a bit with you the first time around, but the next time around he would have you figured out, and knock you out. For me, the three best were Ali, Louis, and Marciano in any order.
looks more like ali-foley IMO.
ali was next to liston the whole time he was down. but when foley was knocked down for the 2nd time in round 7, i think he was on his back... maybe not though...
EDIT: o yea, that cant be liston because walcott was the ref, and that ref is white. maybe it is foley
Good eye. I didnt even see the ref until you mentioned him. lol, it's hard to see him cuz the ring canvas is so bright. :eek:
Is that pic of Ali / Liston ?
very nice birds eye photo.
looks more like ali-foley IMO.
ali was next to liston the whole time he was down. but when foley was knocked down for the 2nd time in round 7, i think he was on his back... maybe not though...
EDIT: o yea, that cant be liston because walcott was the ref, and that ref is white. maybe it is foley
talent wise i think its louis. but he fought bums for most of career, due to lack of oposition
i think ali had more oppurtunity to prove how great he was
very close and hard to call, but i voted louis
and why is tyson up there instead of a dempsey or a tunney?
Tyson is the Joke Option. http://x5.freeshare.us/120fs131437.gif
talent wise i think its louis. but he fought bums for most of career, due to lack of oposition
i think ali had more oppurtunity to prove how great he was
very close and hard to call, but i voted louis
and why is tyson up there instead of a dempsey or a tunney?
They were both the best of their era, neither was ever accused of ducking anyone, and both had their frailties. Ali was succeptable to the left hook, Lewis to the straight right. Both were men of conviction, and both fought on beyond their prime. Both were KOed in the end by their nemesis, or men who looked up to them in their own youth, Holmes and Marciano. Personally I rate Lewis a little higher, and I saw both. Ali was a slapper and Lewis a puncher. They also both had fighters seemingly beneath their stature who made them look ordinary. Just my opinion.