The Floyd Mayweather Bias?

DLT20y ago

Why does everyone hate on this dude? His resume is one of the best out there and only out done by a few, and you know by time hes retired it probally wont be outdone by any. The guy has been a undefeated champ for 8 years, 18 fights, and is in his 4th weight class and will go higher before he retires. I used to say this when everyone used to sweat Hopkins record. I used to ask "why do people sweat Hopkins record when Floyd has had just as many straight wins, without a loss, and has done it in 4 weight classes"? Thats harder to me then what Hop did. I could see if Hop was in one of the best weight classes but Hopkins beat pretty much all bums in those fights. Even Tszyu when he was champ at 140. He fought some great fighters but most of them were bums. He didnt come along when guys like Floyd, Hatton, and Cotto were around and when he did fight one of those guys, look at what happened. Now back to Floyd. At the very young age of just 21, he won the title against the Legendary Genaro Hernandez. Meanwhile now days these young guys dont fight a great opponent until there like 26. He dominated Hernandez and came back the very next fight and dominated a prime Angel Manfredy. Look at the guys resume. He has fought and beat Hernandez, Manfredy, Rios, Jukko, Goya Vargas, the tough Augustus, fought and dominated the undefeated Chico at the age of 24 when no one wanted to see Chico, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chaves, Castillo twice, the very tough Sosa, N'Dou who alot of writers picked to beat him, Chop Chop, Gatti, and Sharmbe Mitchell. You tell me how many fighters have a better resume then that? He easily defeated all those guys except for the great Catillo. Then what did Floyd do? Did he run and hide? No, he came back like a true champ and give him a immediate rematch and left no doubt who was the best. Most of those guys went on to win titles after Floyd fought them. Now add to that list the great Zab Judah. Now Floyd is being ripped for this fight and I think thats wrong. The fight was made before Judah fought Baldomire. Zab was the champ, had just brutally KO Spinks, and was one of the best fighters in the game, and Floyd was going to fight him in just his 2nd fight at 147 but then Zab loses and its like Floyd loses alot of credibility for this. Like people fogot that the fight was already made and Floyd just signed on for one of the toughest fighters in boxing. Thats not fair. Then you got guys like Brian Kenney who try to discredit him and alot of you guys actually agree with him. He said "why dont you fight Baldomire because hes the real champ". Be for real guys. You guys would actually give Floyd more credit for beating Baldomire then Zab? If he fought Baldomire then everyone would be upset about that. Then Kenney says its a joke that its PPV and that hes fighting Zab after a loss. Then the idiot said that a couple of weeks before when Raheem was on there and Rahim said "why do you guys get upset at that but you love the fight between EM and Pac when Morales just lost to me and neither of them have a title". It is pure bias and hatred. No one said that about the Morales and Pac fight after Morales had not only lost but got humiliated by Raheem. Atleast the Zab fight was close an we all know that Zab is better then Baldy. We cant say that about Morales. Ive always said "how can you say which guy is the champ anyway"? People say why doesnt Floyd fight Margarito. What is so special about this guy? He is so overrated. Who has Margarito ever beat? He only beat a very green Cintron who hadnt beaten anyone and he just looked like complete garbage against Santos in a loss but everyone gives him so much respect. Santos cant even hit hard and he rocked Margarito. This guy isnt a champ. I mean will Kenney say that Gatti is the real champ if he fights and beats Baldomire, even knowing that Floyd just made Gatti look like Garbage? Its stupid. Baldomire has a title but he is not the real champ and we all know that. Margarito has the title but he just loss to a average guy at best so how can you say that Floyd is not that champ at 147? If Floyd lost to Santos everyone would rip him. The bottom line is that its not Floyds fault that Zab lost. The fight was already made and Floyd was going to add to his great resume and show people that he can fight the big boys. Then Zab loses to a guy who we all know is not better then him and people act like Floyd is only fighting Zab because he just lost or why is he fighting him since he just lost, but again no one says anything to Pac for fighting Morales when he just got killed. It makes no sense and it is pure hate. If you ask me, I think Floyd is the champ at 147 and 140. You guys can sweat these wins all you want. You can sweat sorry guys like Tarver beating a old Jones or Hatton beating a old Tszyu. You guys can act like those guys werent old all you want. So you mean to tell me that Hatton is the 140 pound champ with only one good win in his 40 fights but Floyd who has a million good wins isnt the champ? People arent stupid. Thats why on ESPN they named Floyd the best. If you ask the guys at 140 who is the #1 guy you want to beat to be called the best, they will all say Floyd and the same at 147. Give the man his respect. I would love to see Floyd fight Margarito after this fight. I would love for him to just dominate this guy and shut everyone up. If dude gets outboxed by Santos then what will Floyd do? Even in the 6 heads fight that he won by a early KO, you could still see that 6 heads was getting the best of him and Margarito looked like crap. Its just that 6 heads was shot and Margarito was going to stretch him but even in thos 2 rounds you could see that 6 heads was easily out fighting him. This next part will also be on post # 16 if you dont want to read it now but Ive added it on here because sometimes when theres alot of replies, your post can get lost in the sauce. Let me answer you guys questions on the Champ thing. Wether you want to consider him the champ or not is up for debate but that doesnt really matter. The problem I have is when guys like Brian Kenney and fans try to spin it as that the other guys are the ones to beat just because they have the belt. That is not true and you guys know that. You cant tell me that Baldomire is the guy to beat at 147 or even a Margarito who just lost even if it was at 154, or a Hatton who only has 1 big win. Thats my point on this Champ stuff. They try to act like those are the guys to beat. Floyd doesnt have to go after them, they have to come after him. Also guys have turned Mayweather down time and again. Even Hatton. Im not talking trash but even the biggest Hatton fans cant denie that he has turned down Mayweather fights and you know that Cottos people dont want him anywhere near Mayweather so how can you guys say that hes moving up without fighting the best? Just because Floyd hasnt had the top fights recently doesnt mean its all him. Other guys have legitimaly turned him down. Floyd probally does lie some but you cant say that those 2 didnt turn him down and he also tried to have the super fight with Zab but now he lost. Those are 3 big fights he really tried to make. Look, I definatly dont hate on Hatton and there is nothing wrong with him saying that he needs a couple of fights in the US before he gets Floyd because that is understandable. The problem I have is when people on here and in the media are saying that Floyd is moving up without fighting guys, like hes supposed to wait on guys or something? He asked them and they said "not now but later". The same for Cotto and others but people always act like Floyd just skipped these guys or ducked them. He also asked Freitas and others but no one wants to talk about that. They see Floyd fight some guy who is somewhat lower then him and they rip him but they act like they didnt just see Floyd try to make these other big fights and guys turned him down. What do you want him to do? Now he makes another big fight with a Pound for Pound guy in Zab and then Zab turns around and loses and Floyd gets ripped again. If it was up to Floyd right now he would have fights with Hatton, Cotto, Freitas, and Zab without the Baldomire loss under his belt and people need to recognize this and stop ripping him all the time like hes ducking big fights GIVE FLOYD HIS RESPECT

Comments (20)

vB_Martin

You assume that but you dont know that for sure. Alot of guys have a rough style but that doesnt mean they will sell. Mayorga wouldnt sell by himself. Until he fights in the US then we wont know his draw but it definatly wont be big against a guy like Baldomire unless the whole Country comes with him but he has a rough style, serious television exposure and a belt. He will be a draw, though I wouldn't be surprised to see him disqualified in his first fight in the US since he won't have Mickey Vann there to ignore his extreme fouling.

20y ago

DLT

Look, I definatly dont hate on Hatton and there is nothing wrong with him saying that he needs a couple of fights in the US before he gets Floyd because that is understandable. The problem I have is when people on here and in the media are saying that Floyd is moving up without fighting guys, like hes supposed to wait on guys or something? He asked them and they said "not now but later". The same for Cotto and others but people always act like Floyd just skipped these guys or ducked them. He also asked Freitas and others but no one wants to talk about that. They see Floyd fight some guy who is somewhat lower then him and they rip him but they act like they didnt just see Floyd try to make these other big fights and guys turned him down. What do you want him to do? Now he makes another big fight with a Pound for Pound guy in Zab and then Zab turns around and loses and Floyd gets ripped again. If it was up to Floyd right now he would have fights with Hatton, Cotto, Freitas, and Zab without the Baldomire loss under his belt and people need to recognize this and stop ripping him all the time like hes ducking big fights

20y ago

DLT

Actually, that's not really true. Hatton has quite a good following in the US. The fights he had on ShoBox and Showtime gave him some really good exposure. While he's not a huge draw, he's more appealing to the casual fan because of his rough style of fighting. You assume that but you dont know that for sure. Alot of guys have a rough style but that doesnt mean they will sell. Mayorga wouldnt sell by himself. Until he fights in the US then we wont know his draw but it definatly wont be big against a guy like Baldomire unless the whole Country comes with him

20y ago

DLT

Hatton beat the man in Kostya Tszyu, not Floyd. Hatton would the mega draw in the UK and he hold two-thirds of the unified crown. What would ever entitle Floyd to a 50-50 split in the UK or anywhere else? This is the same situation with Wright and Taylor. The champion, gets the higher end of the purse, not the challeger. You must didnt read this thread because this is about what you just said. I completely disagree with you. Hatton isnt the Champ, Hatton is a belt holder. Floyd is the man to beat. Who is the pound for pound king, and who has the better resume? Are you trying to tell me that if Floyd fought Baldomire then he should deserve more money? Hatton can have all the titles he wants but until Floyd loses or Hatton gets more big wins then he will never be the man to beat over Floyd. He is the mega draw in the UK but that is outweighed by the fact that he is the mega draw because its his country which automatically puts his opponent at a huge disadvantage so no one like Floyd will fight him at his own Country in hiw own Arena and for less money then a guy who isnt rated as high as him on the pound for pound list. Floyd would be stupid to take less money to fight him in his backyard in his Country

20y ago

vB_Martin

Thats not really fair. I will say to you this, again if you say Floyd isnt that big of a draw in the US then what does that make Hatton because that guy wouldnt have any kind of draw.Actually, that's not really true. Hatton has quite a good following in the US. The fights he had on ShoBox and Showtime gave him some really good exposure. While he's not a huge draw, he's more appealing to the casual fan because of his rough style of fighting.

20y ago

DLT

But Floyd still isn't a big draw, even in the States. He's a great fighter but has zero following beyond those that know the sport well. He only gets a crowd when people come to see his opponent, like in the Gatti fight. Thats not really fair. I will say to you this, again if you say Floyd isnt that big of a draw in the US then what does that make Hatton because that guy wouldnt have any kind of draw. Second, Gatti is only a big draw because he lives in a Boxing ICON like AC. If he lived in some other place then he wouldnt be a big draw and by that I mean that he always fights in AC. Its like Floyd said, if he fought in Grand Rapids every fight he could sell out also but Grand Rapids isnt as sexy as AC so it is better for Gatti

20y ago

BIGPOPPAPUMP

I disagree. 1st of all Hatton didnt want to fight him yet no matter what the money was and 2nd Floyd is the big name. Where not talking about Europe because Floyd wont fight there. In the US no one cares about Hatton, yet and Floyd is the #4# king with the better resume. If it was in Europe then it should be 50/50, and thats even cutting it close because even though Hatton will sell the fight, Floyd is still the king and is traveling to Hattons back yard to fight him which is a huge disadvantage. Its not like a foreign fighter coming to the US. They still would have some fans and the US fighter would have the crowd but it wouldnt be dominant. When you go over to fight Hatton it is like you against the whole country and everyone and there momma is on his side. No one wants to fight in a place like that and espically after they see him getting away with some dirty tactics Hatton beat the man in Kostya Tszyu, not Floyd. Hatton would the mega draw in the UK and he hold two-thirds of the unified crown. What would ever entitle Floyd to a 50-50 split in the UK or anywhere else? This is the same situation with Wright and Taylor. The champion, gets the higher end of the purse, not the challeger.

20y ago

yrrej

Mayweather is the best pound-for-pound in boxing today no doubt. But his gang-banger attitude, domestic abuse, well-documented estrangement from his father, ducking of certain fighters while making exagerrated claims, etc., put a lot of people off. He hasn't really made an honest attempt to clean up the fight picture in his various weights, which puts him in the same boat as a lot of other good fighters nowadays who are looking more at paydays and risks than honest fights.

20y ago

Bombardier

20y ago

DLT

I challenge you to give me the purse splits. Mayweather wanted a 60-40 split. Mayweather for as good as he is, cant sell out an arena in his own hometown. Hatton can sell out any arena in Europe, where Mayweather also refused to hold the fight. Personally I think Mayweather will handle Hatton, but he needs to get a grip on his own worth if he plans to bait these guys into big bouts. I disagree. 1st of all Hatton didnt want to fight him yet no matter what the money was and 2nd Floyd is the big name. Where not talking about Europe because Floyd wont fight there. In the US no one cares about Hatton, yet and Floyd is the #4# king with the better resume. If it was in Europe then it should be 50/50, and thats even cutting it close because even though Hatton will sell the fight, Floyd is still the king and is traveling to Hattons back yard to fight him which is a huge disadvantage. Its not like a foreign fighter coming to the US. They still would have some fans and the US fighter would have the crowd but it wouldnt be dominant. When you go over to fight Hatton it is like you against the whole country and everyone and there momma is on his side. No one wants to fight in a place like that and espically after they see him getting away with some dirty tactics

20y ago

BIGPOPPAPUMP

Floyd offered Hatton a fight in 2004, another one in 2005 and AGAIN after the Judah loss. Challenge me to prove it. Notice that the Hatton camp never says that PBF is ducking them. Only the Hatton dicklickers who don't know the sport say that. What was Floyd gonna stay at 140 for? Bigger and better fights available at 147. I challenge you to give me the purse splits. Mayweather wanted a 60-40 split. Mayweather for as good as he is, cant sell out an arena in his own hometown. Hatton can sell out any arena in Europe, where Mayweather also refused to hold the fight. Personally I think Mayweather will handle Hatton, but he needs to get a grip on his own worth if he plans to bait these guys into big bouts.

20y ago

Hisoka

Best thread I've read since I joined up here.

20y ago

vB_Martin

I think PBF may be one of the best fighters to ever lace up a pair of gloves, and I think he's making mostly good decisions in going for the money fights rather than fighting strictly for belts. We all know that there is a lot of politics in crowning someone champion. Several have held it who don't deserve it in the past few years. All that said, I don't like PBF at all. He's too cocky for my tastes, and I look forward to the day he gets his ass handed to him, though I'm not sure that will happen in his prime, which seems neverending. it wouldn't be as sweet seeing a past-his-prime PBF taken down a notch, though if it's all I can get, I'll gladly take it.

20y ago

kayjay

Floyd offered Hatton a fight in 2004, another one in 2005 and AGAIN after the Judah loss. Challenge me to prove it. Notice that the Hatton camp never says that PBF is ducking them. Only the Hatton dicklickers who don't know the sport say that. What was Floyd gonna stay at 140 for? Bigger and better fights available at 147. This only proves that the Hatton camp does not talk shit. I'm not saying PBF is ducking Hatton; but Hatton isn't ducking PBF. That fight will happen, barring an upset before then.

20y ago

kayjay

You do have some points but my question to you is why does Floyd continue to move up in weight if he's not fighting the best guys in the weight class? All of his big name wins were at 135 and under. What did he do that makes him the champ at 140? Beat Gatti? That's not exactly cleaning out the division. And while I'd rather see him fight Judah than Baldomir, beating Judah isn't going to make him the champ at 147 either. And for your info, the fight was signed AFTER the Baldomir fight. I agree with this post. There were several big fights to be made at 140.

20y ago

Super_Lightweight

Overstated hypoerbole is all this is. Floyd is loved by many. Many think he is unbeatable despite poor performances vs Jose Luis Castillo, who some people have the nerve to call a "bum". Floyd is very good, but not unbeatable.

20y ago

DLT

Great post! I agree with almost everything you say, except the Castillo fight. Mayweather won both fights, but I understand this is Boxingscene.com almost 70% of Boxingscene members thinks PBF lost the first fight, the #1 reason he lost. COMPUBOX! Trust me, I didnt mean that he lost that fight. I thought he won both also. I just said that was the only one that wasnt that easy and I know alot of others on here thinks he lost also but if they watch it without listening to the commentators then they wouldnt think that

20y ago

DLT

Let me answer you guys questions on the Champ thing. Wether you want to consider him the champ or not is up for debate but that doesnt really matter. The problem I have is when guys like Brian Kenney and fans try to spin it as that the other guys are the ones to beat just because they have the belt. That is not true and you guys know that. You cant tell me that Baldomire is the guy to beat at 147 or even a Margarito who just lost even if it was at 154, or a Hatton who only has 1 big win. Thats my point on this Champ stuff. They try to act like those are the guys to beat. Floyd doesnt have to go after them, they have to come after him. Also guys have turned Mayweather down time and again. Even Hatton. Im not talking trash but even the biggest Hatton fans cant denie that he has turned down Mayweather fights and you know that Cottos people dont want him anywhere near Mayweather so how can you guys say that hes moving up without fighting the best? Just because Floyd hasnt had the top fights recently doesnt mean its all him. Other guys have legitimaly turned him down. Floyd probally does lie some but you cant say that those 2 didnt turn him down and he also tried to have the super fight with Zab but now he lost. Those are 3 big fights he really tried to make

20y ago

JOMS

IMHO PBF being the P4P king has great responsibility to carry and defend that title and fans wants him to fight the best to be the best of the best, there lies the biases... I think PBF is reserving his body for bigger fish to fry, how far do you think PBF will go?

20y ago

sisforshaq

Good post DLT. Mayweather to me has been Lb for Lb 1 for a while now. Even before Hopkins first loss to Taylor.

20y ago