Bert Sugar is a moron

The guy still thinks its 1940 ofcourse hes seen Louis fight. His argument was that the Max Schmelling fight was the most important fight in history. It was. You guys are nuts. Joe Louis didn't have any REAL opponets. It was a weak crop. Rocky M is the #2 fighter in history behind Muhammad. CASE CLOSED! Rocky Marciano ahead of Sugar Ray Robinson?:ugh:

no way if a middleweight floored marciano, then he would survive against louis' punching power. You know, Butterfly, I'm almost tempted to bring attention to a sparring session Ali had with Jimmy Ellis where the contemporary reports state that "Ali was knocked nutty", "sent crashing to the two worst knckdowns of his career", and "would have been knocked out if it had been a real fight" (to quote the Ohio News Journal, NY Times, and The Daily Messenger from back in the day), but I won't just because I don't want you to feel bad about Ali himself getting "floored" (twice, and reportedly was in very bad shape, unlike the flash knockdown Marciano suffered against Moore) by a mere blown up middleweight.

Joe Louis better than Muhammad Ali? YEA RIGHT! I agree with everything you said here. Sugar is a dufus idiot and Louis had a styrofoam chin.

Bert Sugar has OPINIONS about boxers and fights. We all have opinions. His opinion is no greater than yours or mine. Wake up people. Just because you've seen him on TV doesn't mean you worship him. Exactly. Bert Sugar is just a guy who has seen alot of fights. He claims to know boxing and people like to listen to him, but that doesnt mean what he is saying is right. Because it isnt.

Bert Sugar has OPINIONS about boxers and fights. We all have opinions. His opinion is no greater than yours or mine. Wake up people. Just because you've seen him on TV doesn't mean you worship him. damn when did you comeback ?

Ali beat: foreman, liston twice, frazier twice, patterson twice, norton twice and like 30 other guys that were ranked contenders. Louis beat: walcott, schmeling, baer, conn and guys that are considered some of the worst heavyweight champs ever like carnera, braddock and sharkey. Ali beat superior competition, case closed.

LuKhanLi & myself talked with Sugar for a few hours in a bar next to Madison Square Garden (we were there for Tapia-medina, McCline-Briggs). It was some great shit, knocking a few back & talking with someone so entrenched in the fight game. Like all of us, his opinions range from dead on, to ridiculous.

Bert Sugar has OPINIONS about boxers and fights. We all have opinions. His opinion is no greater than yours or mine. Wake up people. Just because you've seen him on TV doesn't mean you worship him. Bert Sugar is one of the best and most recognized boxing historians ever and i'm sure he knows more about boxing than any of you could even dream to know of.

Some guy is calling Bert Sugar "a moron". I'd like to compare the life Sugar had led, the accomplishments he's had and the life he has lived to the guy who started this thread. And then I can really determine who the "moron" is. lol yeah kinda an oxymoron aint it

bert sugar will be 69 in june.

Marciano's determination was insane. He knocked out an opponent while he had his nose split in half, knocked out a great p4p fighter (and also a bad style matchup for Marciano) while blinded at some parts in the fight. His combination of determination, stamina, and power could very well be enough to place him easily in the top 3 of all time. As for Louis, he had the longest title defense which is why Bert said he was best. He stated this was not a 'who could beat who' ranking but who accomplished the most or something of that sort. Ali could beat Louis in my opinion. As for accomplishments, I still might be able to see Ali doing more than Louis did. Ali is better than Louis in my opinon.

Joe Louis better than Muhammad Ali? YEA RIGHT! check this out! http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57452

oh all knowledgable one, where do you get this knowledge? are you psychic? by a mile?? your an idiot, this is one of the most debated issues in boxing history, no one is the greatest by a distance. imo, ali ud's louis droppin him at least twice i doubt it, louis chin wasn't the best, while ali had a granite chin. ali ko's louis in about eight, without getting floored in the fight at all.

You guys are nuts. Joe Louis didn't have any REAL opponets. It was a weak crop. Rocky M is the #2 fighter in history behind Muhammad. CASE CLOSED! louis fought weak competition, but marciano didn't? louis fought bigger, stronger and better guys than marciano. marciano is the most overrated hw of all time. louis would have ko'd marciano in about 5, no way if a middleweight floored marciano, then he would survive against louis' punching power.

Joe Louis is the best heavyweight ever, by a distance. He would of beaten Ali. oh all knowledgable one, where do you get this knowledge? are you psychic? by a mile?? your an idiot, this is one of the most debated issues in boxing history, no one is the greatest by a distance. imo, ali ud's louis droppin him at least twice

From what i gather he's one of the most knowledgeable guys in the business. knowledge and opinion are two different things of course. exactly and the comment about Louis and Ali... is his opinion.

My 15 year old knows more boxing than Sugar and Lightweight combined. And then you woke up.

From what i gather he's one of the most knowledgeable guys in the business. knowledge and opinion are two different things of course.

There is no shortage of idiots with undeserved labels. Dubya is "The Leader of the Free World" for crissakes!

Bert Sugar is one of the best and most recognized boxing historians ever and i'm sure he knows more about boxing than any of you could even dream to know of. Yea, but hes weird and annoying.