how would have bruce lee effected the world of boxing?
it is true that he knew the art of western boxing.
if he were to step in the boxing ring, i think he certainly would have been the deadliest combination of fast and power punching, he weighed in the 130's, I think he would have been the pound4pound greatest in the 130's for a long long time.
Any thoughts on this, and who do u guyz feel would have been able to possibly beat him.
You didn't say so, you're right. The web address was just there, without comment. I went and checked it. Not because of anything you said, but on my own. I hoped it would be a real fight. It would have been the first time I would have seen Bruce in real action.
I share your thoughts that Bruce MAY have...COULD HAVE... and, that, all that's left of us is speculate. We will never know for sure, I guess.
Any position one takes re the thread starter is sure to be punched full of holes. There's just not enough evidence to support any claim, one way or the other. And that was my initial response carried on my initial post on this thread.
lol your right sorry about that ...i swear i thought i said it was not a fight just a workout... :o
i didnt say it was a fight vid go back and look ...i was just saying look how fast he was....and as far as dan i know who and what he is buddy i was big into martial arts at one time just not now...i fell out of love with it ......as far as bruce no one knows ...i think he would do well but who knowsYou didn't say so, you're right. The web address was just there, without comment. I went and checked it. Not because of anything you said, but on my own. I hoped it would be a real fight. It would have been the first time I would have seen Bruce in real action.
I share your thoughts that Bruce MAY have...COULD HAVE... and, that, all that's left of us is speculate. We will never know for sure, I guess.
Any position one takes re the thread starter is sure to be punched full of holes. There's just not enough evidence to support any claim, one way or the other. And that was my initial response carried on my initial post on this thread.
please support ur argument..
A boxer trains at boxing, 100% of the time, he's preparing for a match.
Jeet kune do is a martial art.
Time is spent on kicking, knees, punching, elbows, etc.
This is a point that doesn't need justification, Bruce was the best at what he does, JKD, not boxing.
If I wanna be a boxer, I box, and train like a boxer. If I want to be a Hockey player, I play hockey, and skate. If I want to be a Kung Fu star, I climb trees and punch cocnuts. get it?
Just gave the full name of Dan Inosanto and how he stands in the sport. You said so yourself that you can't spell his name.
Moreover, I checked that video, and it doesn't look to me like an honest-to-goodness fight. More like a training video or one of a demonstration. It doesn't really edify as to what Bruce would have been had he taken up serious competitive western boxing.
That's all.
i didnt say it was a fight vid go back and look ...i was just saying look how fast he was....and as far as dan i know who and what he is buddy i was big into martial arts at one time just not now...i fell out of love with it ......as far as bruce no one knows ...i think he would do well but who knows
ok and what is your point all i said was that is the man that trained the man that showed me....don't get me wrong he was trained by more then one person that was just the big name guy he likes to tell people aboutJust gave the full name of Dan Inosanto and how he stands in the sport. You said so yourself that you can't spell his name.
Moreover, I checked that video, and it doesn't look to me like an honest-to-goodness fight. More like a training video or one of a demonstration. It doesn't really edify as to what Bruce would have been had he taken up serious competitive western boxing.
That's all.
I see what amounts to a training video. I was hoping it would be a real fight.
And by the way, stick fighting (or, "stick fencing") is alternatively called "Arnis de Mano", simply "Arnis" or "Ulisi". And Danny Inosanto, though among the leading practitioners, was not considered the ace.
An "Arnis" player may use two sticks (one long and one short) or one long stick. Most "Arnis" players learn skills in what is sometimes called "Chako", or "Chaku" or, "Nunchako", "Nunchucks", etc.--- basically a combat instrument made up of two relatively short sticks joined together by a metal swivel or a strong twine. Bruce was adept in it.
The capital of the sport is widely conceded to be Cebu, an island right in the middle of the Philippine archipelago. Knowledgeable folks there mention names like the Canete brothers (particularly one named "Cacoy" or "Kakoy") as prime exponents. If Bruce Lee did indeed spend time in the Philippines to learn "Arnis", he would have chosen Cebu. Anyone who has spent time in Cebu will quickly be disabused from his belief that Bruce was ever there.
Custodians of the sport's tradition is a club named "Doce Pares" which traces its origins to the Spanish colonial era in the Philippines. Lore has it that "stick fighting" was invented because the colonizers banned the natives from carrying bladed weapons other than the farm knives (also called "bolo", thus, the "Bolo punch", invented by Filipino boxing champ Ceferino Garcia, a middleweight). Before Arnis the natives fought with their "Kris" and "Kampilan"--- long swords: the first had blades that looked like a snake the other had an unusually broad middle that tapered at the tip and right before the hilt.
The Canetes used to be the leaders of Doce Pares in the 50s, 60s and early 70s. But my understanding is that some two decades ago, some organizational issues arose, causing the Canetes to leave the group and form their own. The name of the current Canete group has slipped my mind.
The original group, Doce Pares, is still extant.
ok and what is your point all i said was that is the man that trained the man that showed me....don't get me wrong he was trained by more then one person that was just the big name guy he likes to tell people about
you can go and check out a video of bruce lee
by searching for bruce lee at video.google.com the video is about 55 min
long, you can get a glimspe of his personality and u have to be impressed.
regarding his chin, first of all it would be very very difficult for someone to hit somebody who moves this fast, and if you listen to his theory of being like water, which by the way is in the video mentioned above, you'll get an idea that he knew how to absorb a hit.I have always been impressed by the total Bruce Lee package-- personality, skills and all. But I was addressing the question raised by the thread starter. I cannot say for sure what type of western boxer Bruce would have been: I have not seen any footage of him ever been engaged in a fight other than cinematic ones.
Re: his chin, everyone can hazzard a guess. But then, it shall still be a guess. Yes, it would have been tough to hit him. But what if he was hit? Theories have this nasty habit of falling flat on their faces under severe tests. Only few survive, in art, in science, in philosophy or whatever else have you.
I am not a difficult fellow to convince. If someone can put up a video of Bruce engaged in a real, honest-to-goodness fight that resembles ones that happen in a boxing ring during top-caliber championship fights, and Bruce gets hit in the chin and remains unfazed, then you've got me.
Part of the John Wayne legend is that he was, in real life as in reel life, pretty good with guns. But I haven't heard anyone saying he would have cleaned up Billy The Kid and company.
I see what amounts to a training video. I was hoping it would be a real fight.
And by the way, stick fighting (or, "stick fencing") is alternatively called "Arnis de Mano", simply "Arnis" or "Ulisi". And Danny Inosanto, though among the leading practitioners, was not considered the ace.
An "Arnis" player may use two sticks (one long and one short) or one long stick. Most "Arnis" players learn skills in what is sometimes called "Chako", or "Chaku" or, "Nunchako", "Nunchucks", etc.--- basically a combat instrument made up of two relatively short sticks joined together by a metal swivel or a strong twine. Bruce was adept in it.
The capital of the sport is widely conceded to be Cebu, an island right in the middle of the Philippine archipelago. Knowledgeable folks there mention names like the Canete brothers (particularly one named "Cacoy" or "Kakoy") as prime exponents. If Bruce Lee did indeed spend time in the Philippines to learn "Arnis", he would have chosen Cebu. Anyone who has spent time in Cebu will quickly be disabused from his belief that Bruce was ever there.
Custodians of the sport's tradition is a club named "Doce Pares" which traces its origins to the Spanish colonial era in the Philippines. Lore has it that "stick fighting" was invented because the colonizers banned the natives from carrying bladed weapons other than the farm knives (also called "bolo", thus, the "Bolo punch", invented by Filipino boxing champ Ceferino Garcia, a middleweight). Before Arnis the natives fought with their "Kris" and "Kampilan"--- long swords: the first had blades that looked like a snake the other had an unusually broad middle that tapered at the tip and right before the hilt.
The Canetes used to be the leaders of Doce Pares in the 50s, 60s and early 70s. But my understanding is that some two decades ago, some organizational issues arose, causing the Canetes to leave the group and form their own. The name of the current Canete group has slipped my mind.
The original group, Doce Pares, is still extant.
I still really have to see any length of footage of Bruce Lee engaged in a fight other than cinematic ones.
Moreover, the current record of Martial Arts champs shifting to western boxing does not appear encouraging.
And yes, I join the chorus re the chin.
you can go and check out a video of bruce lee
by searching for bruce lee at video.google.com the video is about 55 min
long, you can get a glimspe of his personality and u have to be impressed.
regarding his chin, first of all it would be very very difficult for someone to hit somebody who moves this fast, and if you listen to his theory of being like water, which by the way is in the video mentioned above, you'll get an idea that he knew how to absorb a hit.
bruce lee used to fight undergrounds fights ( not licensed fights) he was undefeated those fights use to occurs on the roof of towers in HongKong he already faught opponents with knife sticks or what so ever... i've seen a little footage of this he basicly just ran over them hitting them with crazy speed in the body he would just throw straights and jabs and then finish with a hook
it's not him fighting but his hands are so fast it would be like putting Manny Pac and roy jones in 1 http://www.youtube.com/w/bruce-lee?v=czSDskQuTf0&search=bruce%20lee
why not yes he did know boxing and jeet kune do has a lot of boxing in it i took it for a short time
lol from a guy named Glenn lol no 4 real he was legit he lived in the philippines and was trained by for the life of me i can't spell his name ...you know Bruce lee's friend ...he had newspaper clips of himself with all kinds of people from movies to just martial artist ....we made a dojo out of his barn or whatever it was... most of the time he did stick fighting which i was more in it for the boxing then anything so it was hard to stay with ...now he trains at a college here in town ............................................................before that i took basic karate,tae kwon do,and highschool wrestling
I still really have to see any length of footage of Bruce Lee engaged in a fight other than cinematic ones.
Moreover, the current record of Martial Arts champs shifting to western boxing does not appear encouraging.
And yes, I join the chorus re the chin.
His speed, accuracy, power, intelligence, stamina, and skill would have been able to defeat anyone in his weight in boxing. I don't know how his chin was but I can't see him getting hit too often.