How Great Was Sugar Ray Robinson?

Unfortunately, there is ZERO footage of Ray at welterweight so I cannot judge him as fairly as others. Oh man, I just posted a short minute and a half clip of Robinson's WELTERWEIGHT title defense against Charley Fusari, which you can still find on the previous page. There's also at least known footage that exists of Robinson vs. Angott from his Welterweight days.

I havn't seen any of his fights. But I know he is considered the greatest of all time. Does anyone have any of his fights? If so exactly how great is he? I have only seen a highlight or two... I have a video tape where there was in interview that Ali gave during his title days, not sure the exact year where he said "I am the greatest heavyweight of all time and always will be but pound for pound Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest fighter of all time" IMO if Ali says SRR is the greatest ever then he is.

thats the thing, ray was never defeated at welterweight, and people can make an argument that ray was the best middleweight ever, if someone can be the best in a divsion in which is 2 weights above there natural weight just think of how good he was at welter

Robinson was great enough to duck any black man who challenged him and pile up a impressive record beating really slow white guys.But based on that can't every fighter be as good as Robinson? says the man that thinks tyson is the greatest

1933 is 55 years before my time ^^, bit a reach there, but sure if p4p wasnt made for SRR like i said, imo it is best defined by him

news to me then, still even if it wasnt then the term p4p can be best defined by him imo, guy was so fast and hit so hard, he'd throw shit like pitter pat fast but with KO power, not like sugar ray leonard or de la hoya at some points I don't blame you for saying the term was originated for him because that myth has been repeated over and over again. But there's an article over at ******** boxing that claims, "pound for pound the best fighter in the world was not coined for Sugar Ray Robinson. It was first used by a sportswriter to describe the great lightweight Benny Leonard". I've heard similiar claims giving credit to Leonard for being the first fighter called that, but whether that was true or not, the term was at least used in 1933 when Barney Ross & Tony Canzoneri squared off, as evident by the contemporary AP fight report from that fight; "A disappointing crowd of 11,204 witnessed the bout. They expressed very definate disapproval of the verdict, but later cheered the home boy who had upset the fighter who had been characterized as the best in the world, pound for pound."

Nah, that's just another myth about Robinson, as I've actually read the "pound for pound" term/phrase used in contemporary fight reports from long before Robinson hit the scene. news to me then, still even if it wasnt then the term p4p can be best defined by him imo, guy was so fast and hit so hard, he'd throw shit like pitter pat fast but with KO power, not like sugar ray leonard or de la hoya at some points

they invented p4p for him, nuff said Nah, that's just another myth about Robinson, as I've actually read the "pound for pound" term/phrase used in contemporary fight reports from long before Robinson hit the scene.

they invented p4p for him, nuff said

I wished this rumour would hurry up & go away, because contrary to popular belief, there IS in fact footage of Robinson from his Welterweight days. As shown here; http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0FTSOQM1H3CS02G45JNNZYTEAR It's only a short clip of about a minute and a half of Robinson defending his Welterweight title against Fusari, which is only a fraction of what's available of the fight from 1950...But still it's a glimpse of Robinson at Welterweight, and it at least proves that there is in fact footage of him at that weight.

I neer saw Sugar Ray at welter but I have a collection of probably his best fights at middleweight and the guy is great I'm not gonna go into all that GOAT crapbut he was a great boxer.

I would expect it the odd time in a thread about the Klitschkos or Tyson, and the like...but for the life of me, I'd never have thought that a thread about the great Sugar Ray Robinson would have turned into a friggin' flame war between posters. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! What has the world gone to! Ha! Ha! Ha!:)

So you're an Irish guy who knows tag a log & spends all his hours making gifs? What kind of a fag makes gifs all day? So now your insulting my Dad, looks like I'm really going to have to bring you down to Earth. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. ;) I was born in Canada, of Irish decent. But it's not like that matters. Only a bitter and jaded little kid goes ape shit asking someone their race, job, highschool etc, because he's frustrated he has nothing hurtfull to say. Keep making things up, it sure stings. Maybe it will change the fact you're on your 5th account because no one likes you.

I copied an email someone sent about Arguello-Whitaker, because it presented an interesting fight. That's all you got to say? And really, if you're not asian how come you have hate for any white fighter and have a fetish for these filipino frauds & post in the pinoy lounge in tag a log. What I do know about you...you don't have an education, you're too scared to even disclose your high school, you post during the day which means you have no job, you live with your parents. Please, tell me where you work. You know and I know that you are a total fake that saves up all his hard earned money to go to Vegas and see fights. I bet you don't even get pussy there either. Stick to ping pong ****, asian, flip whatever the fuck you are. Slit eyed freak. zzzzzzzz Boring misinformation trying to make things up to use as ammo agaisnt me. None of it's true, I'm Irish, own my own home and make more money than your dad, and unlike you, watch boxing and know what I'm talking about. When's the last time you posted something about boxing In This Corner / Infamous / Suga Shane / Void? It's all just swearing and misplaced spite taken out on others because you have no life. When's the last time you made a post about boxing? Oh wait... was 'In This Corner' on this week? :rolleyes:

I would expect it the odd time in a thread about the Klitschkos or Tyson, and the like...but for the life of me, I'd never have thought that a thread about the great Sugar Ray Robinson would have turned into a friggin' flame war between posters.

Bozo all I have to do is look at Anber's post fight of Taylor-Hopkins 1 and Taylor-Hopkins 2 predictions. They're bang on with yours. And you're not asian? OK, Dan Tzu. A white person with that name. Please. You're just scared because I am not a pussy like you and I don't read boxing all day with no job and a bleak outlook in life. What high school did you go to? Won't even tell me that...I vow to myself I will go to your pub and beat the shit out of you *****y dinky. By the way, it's obvious you have no education at all, you can't FUCKING spell. ;) This coming from a little drop out who will be lucky to find a blue collar job. I didn't jack Amber's opinion on anything. I decided what I thought about the Hopkins fight long before I watched ITC. Unlike you, who watches it and posts things word for word right after it's over. Also, you can think I'm asian all you want twirp, that's not my name, it's an email handle I've had for years. You feel dejected and angry that I point out what a loser you are based on the way you act here, and your only defense is to dream things up about me. Keep it up. You know nothing about me, where as I know you're a jaded little kid who can't keep an account for more than a month without being bannded for being a loser. Oh, and did I mention you copied Russ Anber's on air opinions word for word in a thread you tried to pass off as your own? :rolleyes:

Saying Robinson is the greatest pound for pound fighting machine of all time is a consensus made by boxing critics, like music critics saying The Beatles r the most important band of all time. Personnally, i think Bob Dylan did more in it's time than the Beatles but i am a single person and it's ok to have an opinion. You can make the same judgements based one what u've seen. there have been SO MANY great boxers, ranking them is simply a game. Critics said it was Robinson, the majority aknowledge. But if u believe another fighter was better, so be it. It won't kill anybody. You can argue about your beliefs on a forum if u like it, and the fun part of it is, there is NO objective answer to the question. Argue and have fun (but stay civilized while doing it...) the worst thing that could happen is, someone starts convincing you about a boxer and u start searching for his fights and you discover a fighting style you really enjoy. Boxing is like art, you cannot know too much about it.

oh no, bozo is going to call me junior, a flake, delusional, or say "this coming from the high school dropout who passes anber's ideas as his own" lol, it's nice to see you're so upfront about your short comings. :rofl:

hey, you're one to talk you asian cunt. If you're the asian in the background of the Roy Jones Jr pic you truly are a fuckin fag. I loved your Hopkins-Taylor predictions...sounded like they came right out of Russ Anbers mouth. Funny how everything Anber says is yours. By the way, I saw your email about Adonis Stevenson? Wouldn't be surprised if you emailed Russ about his opinions, because they are all the same. I vow to myself I will beat the shit out of you and send you back to ***** land where you came from. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz More of your "Uh oh he busted me stealing Russ Anber's opinions so I'd better try to throw it right back at him" banter. BORING. Face it, you're an attention seeking little twerp who was busted stealing someone else's opinions word for word off TV. And I'm not Asian junior, but you keep fantasizing... :rolleyes:

hey, you're one to talk you asian cunt. If you're the asian in the background of the Roy Jones Jr pic you truly are a fuckin fag. I loved your Hopkins-Taylor predictions...sounded like they came right out of Russ Anbers mouth. Funny how everything Anber says is yours. By the way, I saw your email about Adonis Stevenson? Wouldn't be surprised if you emailed Russ about his opinions, because they are all the same. I vow to myself I will beat the shit out of you and send you back to ***** land where you came from. oo shit, you going to take that Bozo?