Haye wins European Cruiser Title in 45 seconds!

As soon as I see Haye step up and win a semi meaningfull fight, I might think that's fair. To me the biggest question in a Haye Braithwaite fight is "can Haye take a puch from Braithwaite"? I still think Big Truck is the bigger puncher, and I've seen Haye screwed up in with Thompson. A fight between Haye and someone a few pegs up from Gurov would be a good step before I start hearing about how fights agaisnt top 5 Cruiserweights are pickem fights. Gurov was probably a top 10 Cruiserweight by some people's standards (ranked insanely high by the WBC), I think this win should give Haye a shot at a world class fighter, and if he wins that would probably get his chance at a title eliminator. He still isn't quite ready to fight for a world title (unless Bell gets a very lucky break, Bell is definately a beatable fighter). I just want to see him get some rounds under his belt.

I guess i'm just buying into Haye's power. I just think he has the power to KO anyone. I don't think Braithwaite has the speed or chin to cope with the power of Haye. I think Cunningham vs Haye would be a great prospect match up and only a pick'em in as much as Haye has a big, big chance early on and can end the fight before it has really begun, Cunnuingham of course has a much bigger chance than Haye to win after 5 rounds. As soon as I see Haye step up and win a semi meaningfull fight, I might think that's fair. To me the biggest question in a Haye Braithwaite fight is "can Haye take a puch from Braithwaite"? I still think Big Truck is the bigger puncher, and I've seen Haye screwed up in with Thompson. A fight between Haye and someone a few pegs up from Gurov would be a good step before I start hearing about how fights agaisnt top 5 Cruiserweights are pickem fights.

I stongly disagree. All of those fighters have faced better compeition than Haye. Gurov is the best opponent Haye's ever beaten, and he's been stopped several times before, also very early in the fight. That's not a good measuring stick at all. To say that Haye would be in a pickem fight with Guillermo Jones (coming off wins over Braithwaite and Davis, a draw with Nelson), Steve Cunningham (win over Jones) and Braithwaite is very premature at this point givin who he's beaten (and who he's lost to) at this point. I guess i'm just buying into Haye's power. I just think he has the power to KO anyone. I don't think Braithwaite has the speed or chin to cope with the power of Haye. I think Cunningham vs Haye would be a great prospect match up and only a pick'em in as much as Haye has a big, big chance early on and can end the fight before it has really begun, Cunnuingham of course has a much bigger chance than Haye to win after 5 rounds.

Jones, Braithwaite and Cunningham are pretty much pick'ems). I stongly disagree. All of those fighters have faced better compeition than Haye. Gurov is the best opponent Haye's ever beaten, and he's been stopped several times before, also very early in the fight. That's not a good measuring stick at all. To say that Haye would be in a pickem fight with Guillermo Jones (coming off wins over Braithwaite and Davis, a draw with Nelson), Steve Cunningham (win over Jones) and Braithwaite is very premature at this point givin who he's beaten (and who he's lost to) at this point.

Braithwait imo is the biggest puncher at Cruiserweight. He just doesn't have the agility and punch resistance. Wheather Haye's the same callibur puncher remains to be seen, but with the way he was rocked agaisnt Thompson, that leaves many question marks, and as much as you or anyone wants to write off the current state of the Cruiserweight division, it's filled with big guys that can punch. A fight with Braithwaite or Dale Brown should be Haye's next move. Brown isn't as dangerous a puncher as Braithwait, but he's an excellent measuring stick of where a Cruiserweight is at. He beat Oneil Bell in that last fight. Regardless, Cruiser has a lot more depth than is being made out in this thread, and I think it remains to be seen how Haye would fair agaisnt parrenial contenders, nevermind the top fighters in the division. Haye is probably at least as big a puncher as Braithwaite, he just doesn't seem to have the stamina. Gurov was pretty much a contender and Haye wiped him out. I think he could also lay out anyone inclined to trade, if he sorted out his stamina. Its the iron chinned and more elusive fighters who Haye has to worry about. Only Mormeck and Nelson would be people i'd definately back against Haye (Jones, Braithwaite and Cunningham are pretty much pick'ems).

I'm not overdramatising really, you can be a very difficult (childlike and autistic seem as good a couple of descriptions as any) person to interact with on this site (as others can testify). You do however have very good boxing knowledge (definately more than most users of this site). Lets just leave it at that. I have seen a few recent fights: Braithwaite, Gurov and his first fight against Hill (I saw a French commentary version that I got off the net). Unfortunately I can't review those fights again as I had to replace the hard drive I put them and many other files on. Haye only really has a puncher's chance against Mormeck, Jones and Nelson. But he sure is a hell of a puncher, so has more of a chance than most. Braithwait imo is the biggest puncher at Cruiserweight. He just doesn't have the agility and punch resistance. Wheather Haye's the same callibur puncher remains to be seen, but with the way he was rocked agaisnt Thompson, that leaves many question marks, and as much as you or anyone wants to write off the current state of the Cruiserweight division, it's filled with big guys that can punch. A fight with Braithwaite or Dale Brown should be Haye's next move. Brown isn't as dangerous a puncher as Braithwait, but he's an excellent measuring stick of where a Cruiserweight is at. He beat Oneil Bell in that last fight. Regardless, Cruiser has a lot more depth than is being made out in this thread, and I think it remains to be seen how Haye would fair agaisnt parrenial contenders, nevermind the top fighters in the division.

Which fights of his did you see? Save your dramatics. This is a message board, and when I see someone's 'opinion' that I feel is either uninformed or ignorant (I found yours to be a bit of both) I call it out. If you don't like it, I heard Martin his a cheery and plesent boxing site. This thread has quickly become a joke. Haye looked great in his fight last night, but his opponent is chinny. He's being hyped after accomplising very little, and comments about how it should be "No problem for him to unify Cruiser" or "The Cruiserwight division is very weak and Mormeck isn't very good" is pure ignorance. The top 3 Cruiserweights would be a formidable challenge for Haye. Mormeck and Jones can both bang and have great chins. Cunningham takes a great shot and has shown supurb skill. Even guys outside that in Bratihwaite and Bell would be a tough challenge for a young fighter like Haye. I'm not overdramatising really, you can be a very difficult (childlike and autistic seem as good a couple of descriptions as any) person to interact with on this site (as others can testify). You do however have very good boxing knowledge (definately more than most users of this site). Lets just leave it at that. I have seen a few recent fights: Braithwaite, Gurov and his first fight against Hill (I saw a French commentary version that I got off the net). Unfortunately I can't review those fights again as I had to replace the hard drive I put them and many other files on. Haye only really has a puncher's chance against Mormeck, Jones and Nelson. But he sure is a hell of a puncher, so has more of a chance than most.

You having a good time, Beowulf? :) Bozo strikes again... why ANYONE wants to debate with him is beyond me, as there's no such thing as "pleasant pugilistic discourse" in his eyes... he's just downright fucking rude for no reason. Give it a few more posts and he'll say he's "upsetting" you... he just doesn't get it, does he? :) I don't get why you should go to Martin's site if you don't like it though. Why not just stay here and debate with someone who's got a little bit of maturity and manners? The guy couldn't upset an wobbly apple cart, but just can't understand people aren't interested in being insulted... and have a right to talk boxing without abuse from a stuck record. Leave it and put him on ignore, Beo... you're just wasting your time, mate. Leave the guy to his silky sheets in peace. No one in the history of this site is more rude, immature, and usless than you Anorak. If anyone was to question that all they need to do is look at the Thunderdome, and the thousands of posts and countless hours and tens of thousands of words you've spewed in that fourm flaming, crying and bitching about other posters. It's astonishing that someone who's apparetnly in their 30s could be so immature and spend that much time and effort crying and complaining about others in the name of sheer uslessness. At least I talk about boxing. Every second of your life you've wasted in that forum talking about sheer non sense speaks volumes about you and your utter lack of character. - - - And when I was speaking about this non sense in this thread, it all started here: so the possibility of a world title in the Cruiserweight division (or even unifying) doesn't look like any kind of tall order. :rolleyes:

I've seen 3 Mormeck fights. I may not be an expert on him, but i'm not completely uninformed. You've got no patience for anyone who disagrees with you, in fact you're a very immature fellow indeed. I didn't slag off Mormeck, i've just stated what a lot of people think about him and the cruiserweight division. Just because it disagrees with your views doesn't mean that you have to slap me down. You show the classic characteristics of a spoilt brat who just doesn't seem to have the social skills or upbringing to comprehend the opinions of another person. Which fights of his did you see? Save your dramatics. This is a message board, and when I see someone's 'opinion' that I feel is either uninformed or ignorant (I found yours to be a bit of both) I call it out. If you don't like it, I heard Martin his a cheery and plesent boxing site. This thread has quickly become a joke. Haye looked great in his fight last night, but his opponent is chinny. He's being hyped after accomplising very little, and comments about how it should be "No problem for him to unify Cruiser" or "The Cruiserwight division is very weak and Mormeck isn't very good" is pure ignorance. The top 3 Cruiserweights would be a formidable challenge for Haye. Mormeck and Jones can both bang and have great chins. Cunningham takes a great shot and has shown supurb skill. Even guys outside that in Bratihwaite and Bell would be a tough challenge for a young fighter like Haye.

lol, if anything, you don't like having your opinion disagreed with, especially when it's shown to be ignorant. You don't know very much about the Cruiserweight division because it doesn't get a lot of press, and so you make a foolish comment saying Mormeck will be the weakest unified champion in some time. I have no patience for someone who states an opinion that's clearly uninformed and that they can't back up. Why don't you tell me how many times you've seem Mormeck fight? And agaisnt whom? Simple question. I've seen 3 Mormeck fights. I may not be an expert on him, but i'm not completely uninformed. You've got no patience for anyone who disagrees with you, in fact you're a very immature fellow indeed. I didn't slag off Mormeck, i've just stated what a lot of people think about him and the cruiserweight division. Just because it disagrees with your views doesn't mean that you have to slap me down. You show the classic characteristics of a spoilt brat who just doesn't seem to have the social skills or upbringing to comprehend the opinions of another person.

Mormeck is a good fighter in a poor division. I just don't think that in any normal era he would be undisputed. lol, if anything, you don't like having your opinion disagreed with, especially when it's shown to be ignorant. You don't know very much about the Cruiserweight division because it doesn't get a lot of press, and so you make a foolish comment saying Mormeck will be the weakest unified champion in some time. I have no patience for someone who states an opinion that's clearly uninformed and that they can't back up. Why don't you tell me how many times you've seem Mormeck fight? And agaisnt whom? Simple question.

I agree with Haye's comments last night. Other than Mormeck, I don't think any fighter in the division can take his power.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Why wouldn't he be deserving of being undisputed? He's undefeated for years since a few 4 and 6 round decision losses early in his career and has been very consistant in beating a list of contenders. Then he absolutly batters top rated Braithwaite (a fighter everyone was hyping beyond belief) and now will knock out Bell. You seem to be thinking that because you don't know very much about the Cruiserweight division that some how takes away from the way Mormeck's disposing of guys. Give me a break. And then on top of that, after not giving enough credit to the clear and obvious best fighter in the division, you're hyping up a young inexpereinced fighter who's chinny and coming off a reccent stoppage loss. Moremeck will be as deserving as any other undisputed title holder when he beats down Oneil Bell to win that 3rd strap. Cruiser gets no coverage in the mainstream, and has been divided since Jirov and Toney left. Mormeck has cleaned up the mess, and will have all the titles. Once he does, there's no one on the scope who can take them away. You really don't like people disagreeing with you, do you? I'm just stating my opinion, and because it is contrary to yours you just have to rubbish it. Perhaps you should think about growing up? Maybe you've just been a little wound up now Vitali Klischko has retired and you can no longer flame his supporters. I don't disrespect you, I like your gifs and you have some knowledge of the sport of boxing, that is undeniable, but you'd better learn to be more understanding of the valid opinions held by other people. Once again: My opinion. Mormeck is a good fighter in a poor division. I just don't think that in any normal era he would be undisputed.

Cruiserweight division is such a joke.

How's it being in your 30's this week?

I think we've got our wires crossed a little, I do think the guy is solid. But solid usually doesn't (and shouldn't) equal undisputed. You have no idea what you're talking about. Why wouldn't he be deserving of being undisputed? He's undefeated for years since a few 4 and 6 round decision losses early in his career and has been very consistant in beating a list of contenders. Then he absolutly batters top rated Braithwaite (a fighter everyone was hyping beyond belief) and now will knock out Bell. You seem to be thinking that because you don't know very much about the Cruiserweight division that some how takes away from the way Mormeck's disposing of guys. Give me a break. And then on top of that, after not giving enough credit to the clear and obvious best fighter in the division, you're hyping up a young inexpereinced fighter who's chinny and coming off a reccent stoppage loss. Moremeck will be as deserving as any other undisputed title holder when he beats down Oneil Bell to win that 3rd strap. Cruiser gets no coverage in the mainstream, and has been divided since Jirov and Toney left. Mormeck has cleaned up the mess, and will have all the titles. Once he does, there's no one on the scope who can take them away.

That's the poor atitude of a lot of people, derrived from the minimal amount of press the division gets. Pop in his fights with Hill, Dale Brown etc. Mormeck's been a solid fighter for a long time now and that fight with Braithwaite was really the first time a lot of people got to see him. He's going to rape Bell, and will be undisputed at Cruiser, at which point there are two great defenses waiting for him in Guillermo Jones and Steve Cunningham. After that he's able to test the waters at Heavyweight, and given his size and chin, there's a lot of room for him to make a good account of himslef there too. The Cruiserweight division has a lot of solid fighters and fights to be made, it just doesn't get the press. I think we've got our wires crossed a little, I do think the guy is solid. But solid usually doesn't (and shouldn't) equal undisputed. A fight between Mormeck and Haye would be intriguing, a great chinned, buy not especially powerful fighter with great stamina against a HUGE punching, skilfull, fairly china chinned fighter with little evidence of great stamina. Tottaly different styles and would be intriguing to see whether Haye can land his "Hayemaker". Mormeck is a crafty fighter though.

I suppose I just think Mormeck is a good fighter in a fairly awful division. He has seized his chances well, but he is someone that I don't really see greatness in. That's the poor atitude of a lot of people, derrived from the minimal amount of press the division gets. Pop in his fights with Hill, Dale Brown etc. Mormeck's been a solid fighter for a long time now and that fight with Braithwaite was really the first time a lot of people got to see him. He's going to rape Bell, and will be undisputed at Cruiser, at which point there are two great defenses waiting for him in Guillermo Jones and Steve Cunningham. After that he's able to test the waters at Heavyweight, and given his size and chin, there's a lot of room for him to make a good account of himslef there too. The Cruiserweight division has a lot of solid fighters and fights to be made, it just doesn't get the press.

these guys have nothing on Toney, Jirov, and Gomez, they were the true class acts.

lol, care to back that up with some kind of reasoning? This should be good... I suppose I just think Mormeck is a good fighter in a fairly awful division. He has seized his chances well, but he is someone that I don't really see greatness in.