My take on the damn HW mess...

let's put it this way would you rather be forced to call ONE bum champ or FOUR bums champ? Moreover the chance of ruiz not being a champ increase if there is a tournament anyway I will keep on not caring about heavyweights and live happily everafter. I will just watch toney fight and wait for brock and harrison if they ever blossom I disagree about Ruiz pal... In a four man tournement with Byrd, rock (who he has already beaten) and Brewster I can easily envision Johnny somehow finding a way to grapple his way to victory. We no for sure that he couldnt beat Toney yet he probably will not make the tourney... The question is who does this tournement include? If it is strictly the four beltholders this seriously hurts the division and James Toney's chances at becoming HW champ...

let's put it this way would you rather be forced to call ONE bum champ or FOUR bums champ? Moreover the chance of ruiz not being a champ increase if there is a tournament anyway I will keep on not caring about heavyweights and live happily everafter. I will just watch toney fight and wait for brock and harrison if they ever blossom

Hey, just think, now we might have a real heavyweight champion. Who cares if he sucks compared to other unified champs of the past, at least we would have one instead of this retarded alphabet soup four champion division where stuck with. Personally, I'm glad that the WBC stripped Vitali of his belt, he bowed out of four fights against Rahman claiming injuries each time. I don't know if he's lying or not but you can't have a champion that doesn't fight. The only thing that sucks about this is now King controls all the belts. :eek:

You're assuming its just going to be two fights leading into one. Nothing's saying he can't fit in other Heavyweights on the card, getting mandatories out of the way. Would you be shocked to see Golota fighting Byrd or Ruiz in a rematch as part of the deal? Maybe Im wrong but I would be surprised if we didnt have a final four type tourney with Brewster, Byrd, Ruiz and Rock. I hope I am wrong but if im right Toney and any other deserving HW out there has a while to wait. Belts aside...Byrd and Ruiz are dogshit and they are just getting in the way.

Don King might let Toney in, I think it depends on how good James does in his upcoming fights. James in marketable...

I think we are both going to be disapointed...I cant imagine Don leaving out 1 of his beltholders for Toney. You're assuming its just going to be two fights leading into one. Nothing's saying he can't fit in other Heavyweights on the card, getting mandatories out of the way. Would you be shocked to see Golota fighting Byrd or Ruiz in a rematch as part of the deal?

I have a bit more optimism that he'll be involved, but we'll have to wait and see. It would be a good move for King to have Toney in, because he brings more excitment and money than Byrd Ruiz or Rahman. If not, and he's not included, I'd be very disapointed. I think we are both going to be disapointed...I cant imagine Don leaving out 1 of his beltholders for Toney.

I have a tough time trusting King...especially when he would be in control of 1 fighter with all four belts...it is different than having John Ruiz fighting a mandatory that wasnt owned by King...a guy like Ruiz was only something as long as he held a belt...the Toney Ruiz fight would be different then a Toney vs. Don's supreme champion. In your opinion what would be the soonest that James Toney gets a crack at the title? Your probably right about VK...the guy is not active enough and chances are he would have fought a bum hoping in the meantime his brother could pick up a title as well and they could both show off there belts at a family christmas party. When does James get his shot? Probably not for a long time. I have a bit more optimism that he'll be involved, but we'll have to wait and see. It would be a good move for King to have Toney in, because he brings more excitment and money than Byrd Ruiz or Rahman. If not, and he's not included, I'd be very disapointed.

Toney has been co promoted by King, who surely would recognize his marketability. The alternative if Vitali keeps the title and decided to sit on it to spite King would be just as bleek. Say what you will about King, he puts on good events, and if he markets this right, it could be the best thing that's happened in the division in quite some time. I have a tough time trusting King...especially when he would be in control of 1 fighter with all four belts...it is different than having John Ruiz fighting a mandatory that wasnt owned by King...a guy like Ruiz was only something as long as he held a belt...the Toney Ruiz fight would be different then a Toney vs. Don's supreme champion. In your opinion what would be the soonest that James Toney gets a crack at the title? Your probably right about VK...the guy is not active enough and chances are he would have fought a bum hoping in the meantime his brother could pick up a title as well and they could both show off there belts at a family christmas party. When does James get his shot? Probably not for a long time.

I may be a little negative/maybe not here but it will easily be 2007 before a guy like James Toney ever sees a crack at the HW title...hell it may be longer than that... So if we want to wait a year at the minimum and probably 2 years before we see real compelling HW matchups then the tourney should be great. Brewster is the only guy that I really want to see of the bunch right now, maybe Rock a little bit...waiting on guys like Byrd and Ruiz is a waste and Toney will suffer! Toney has been co promoted by King, who surely would recognize his marketability. The alternative if Vitali keeps the title and decided to sit on it to spite King would be just as bleek. Say what you will about King, he puts on good events, and if he markets this right, it could be the best thing that's happened in the division in quite some time.

Your 100% right...but... Toney is on the outside looking in...do you think Don King is going to gladly once the tourney is over say here ya go James you get the winner? Goosen has been with James Toney when no one else wanted him and the last thing he should have to do is sign over his rights to Don King. Thats true...

Don King has co promoted James Toney in the past. He understands Toney's marketability and Goosen had no beef working with King. I think this isn't as bad as your spinning it. If Vitali won, chances are pretty good he would have played the stale mate game with King, and fought guys like Maskiev. At least this way, a unified champion will be made, and in the end, that is what NEEDS to happen. I may be a little negative/maybe not here but it will easily be 2007 before a guy like James Toney ever sees a crack at the HW title...hell it may be longer than that... So if we want to wait a year at the minimum and probably 2 years before we see real compelling HW matchups then the tourney should be great. Brewster is the only guy that I really want to see of the bunch right now, maybe Rock a little bit...waiting on guys like Byrd and Ruiz is a waste and Toney will suffer!

Your 100% right...but... Toney is on the outside looking in...do you think Don King is going to gladly once the tourney is over say here ya go James you get the winner? Goosen has been with James Toney when no one else wanted him and the last thing he should have to do is sign over his rights to Don King. Don King has co promoted James Toney in the past. He understands Toney's marketability and Goosen had no beef working with King. I think this isn't as bad as your spinning it. If Vitali won, chances are pretty good he would have played the stale mate game with King, and fought guys like Maskiev. At least this way, a unified champion will be made, and in the end, that is what NEEDS to happen.

Your 100% right...but... Toney is on the outside looking in...do you think Don King is going to gladly once the tourney is over say here ya go James you get the winner? Goosen has been with James Toney when no one else wanted him and the last thing he should have to do is sign over his rights to Don King.

scap, how about Toney/Rahman and Toney/Wlad? Those would be decently interesting.

If you follow boxing, which judging by your posts is a 50-50 deal then you would no that there has been some talk over the last year or so about a tournement involving the four that I named...HW toruney, FW toruney...get it? ya, it's good thing if ta heavyweight champions fight each otha!

1) Vitaly Klitchko...cmon man, I think you can actually fight...hell I take you over any other HW in the world but this Idle bullshit is getting to be too much...you deserve first crack at your old belt when/if you get healthy but enough is enough...someone needs to fight for your belt and if it cant be you then...sorry it cant be you. 2) Rock...shut the fuck up. 3) A HW toruney? With John Ruiz, Lamon Brester, Hasim Rahman and Chris Byrd? People are actually excited about this? I thought Rafeal Marquez was moving up to jr. feather and we were gonna see a tourney between him, Larios, Guzman and Vasquez? That a tourney I want to see! Finally what happens after we crown a Don King Champion? What happens to guys like Wlad and James Toney and even VK if he is ready to fight? Do we get to watch those 4 in the tourney and maybe Golota just play musical chairs with the belts for a couple years? For those who think this is good for the division...think again...Don King now owns the division and if you are a promoter with a fighter on the outside looking in (Toney/Goosen) your fucked...becuase the only way you are getting into the mix is if you sign your life away to Don... I would rather watch my brother fuck my wife then sit thru this toruney...and...once it is over...we are gonna watch it over and over again! Fuck Vitaly and fuck those of you who are excited that he could not fight...just wait we are gonna see a round robin between four fighter over and over and over until you fucking puke! ...Another great post from the great Scap.

3) A HW toruney? With John Ruiz, Lamon Brester, Hasim Rahman and Chris Byrd? People are actually excited about this? soooooooooooooooo...you would rather they continue ducking each other and fighting bums? understand the reason people are "excited" about a HW championship tourney is so that they can...umn...how do I put this... "ACTUALLY FIGHT EACH OTHER...." I am not saying it is the greatest of participants...but there is SOME reason to revel in the champs actually fighting each other

WTF does Rafael Marquez and Oscar Larios have anything to do wit ta heavyweights? If you follow boxing, which judging by your posts is a 50-50 deal then you would no that there has been some talk over the last year or so about a tournement involving the four that I named...HW toruney, FW toruney...get it?

WTF does Rafael Marquez and Oscar Larios have anything to do wit ta heavyweights?