i see a lot of people recently turning into jeff lacy fans in this forum .
i just dont share their enthusiasm .
here is why :
-jeff lacy's power : OVERRATED . he is strong , he is very very heavy handed , but lets face it he couldnt stop ross thompson and richard grant . both are far from 168 pounds pernell whitakers and thompson was destroyed in 4 rounds by fernando vargas at 154. omar sheika is a durable fighter but if you really are a 4#4 puncher you stop him .
-jeff lacy's style : very entertaining . bullies people to the rope and pummels them with nice combos . but against a slick rangy boxer , its not gonna work . and he can be easily countered.
-jeff lacy chin : has it been tested by a big hitter ? No , so it s hard to figure . look good tough.
good points :
-willing to line them up , goes for the big guns . i give him respect for that .
- has a very good jab when he reminds to use it.
_ his marketing power : this guy has superstar written all over him . he has the looks , the style the arrogance of the boxing champ . he can be a mainstream audience star .
jeff lacy main rivals :
kessler : people assume he is gonna get beat up but admit it , have you seee him fight ? no ? me neither .
calzaghe : calzaghe is bigger than lacy . yeah really . and he can box from the outside , and he can punch . if he mans up and take the challenge of lacy he has a very good chance of beating him .
he steps up in weight tarver may outbox him badly and pressure isnt enough against glen johnson , who are big 175 pounders .
in a few words , let s wait before making him the feared KO artist he isnt .
Don't get it twisted man.. From what I've seen your opinion doesn't mean shit to me so you can attempt to "wipe the floor with" anything I say, but remember this is the internet and anyone can be a keyboard warrior..
Says the guy that just claimed 'We could wipe the floor with you anyday'. Did you even read my post!?
I explained it and apologized for putting 'Americans' where i should have said 'Those hyping Lacy' and you come back by calling me a
'keyboard warrior' and saying ' your opinion dont mean shit' who the fuck do you think you are!?
This is why i hate some people on here.
EDIT-Also notice how i edited the last part out before you posted? because i wrote that anry about you being a prick? See that. I realised that what i put was stupid, and deleated it.
Oh and a last point....you say 'dont get it twisted man' as if i cared weather you liked my opinion or not or as if i cared for yours...
Well maybe people shouldnt say Calzaghe never took a risk after beating Lacy who was given all this hype?
Maybe (Some, not all) Americans should stop moaning at us for hyping fighters after all this?
Bigger than Jones
Next Mike Tyson etc etc.
We dont hype our guys that much
No actually my point was you said to him about their being no reason as to why he should bring up old threads (Which i can agree on tbh), and i was pointing out why he (As a Calzaghe nuthugger) would want to bump it and why Brits would also do it (The hype over Lacy after the claims of us overhyping fighters)
I wasnt 'coming at you' with anything. And if you wanna play tit for tat i could wipe the floor woth anything you try to say, but as i said i am not.
My point was as i said, that is why he is bumping those threads...
ALSO-If you could wipe the floor with us why is Iraq still going on?
Don't get it twisted man.. From what I've seen your opinion doesn't mean shit to me so you can attempt to "wipe the floor with" anything I say, but remember this is the internet and anyone can be a keyboard warrior..
T-97..
Do not make this into another Brits vs American Thread.. B/c you always say your against that.. Am I right?
The post wasn't aimed for you.. So please, don't try and call me out about over hyping our fighters.. MOST boxing experts, fuck it, the overwhelming majority of boxing experts were picking Lacy b/c he would just hunt his opponents down..
So, T-97 I don't know why your comming at me with that bullshit b/c if you want to play tit for tat, the Americans would tap the Brits ass any day of the week..
No actually my point was you said to him about their being no reason as to why he should bring up old threads (Which i can agree on tbh), and i was pointing out why he (As a Calzaghe nuthugger) would want to bump it and why Brits would also do it (The hype over Lacy after the claims of us overhyping fighters)
I wasnt 'coming at you' with anything. And if you wanna play tit for tat i could wipe the floor woth anything you try to say, but as i said i am not.
My point was as i said, that is why he is bumping those threads...
In hindsight i should not have said Americans, rather those who hyped Lacy like some displayed in this thread.
From what I've seen of this guy Lacy, he's not very good. Maybe you've seen him in fights where he looked better. But I've seen four or five of his fights (including Sheika and washed-up Reid) and the guy is certainly not world-class and probably doesn't even have the potential to be world-class. He really struggled to punch with any accuracy in the bits and pieces I've seen of him, so hype him up all you want because if Calzaghe still has enough gas left in the tank he will humiliate this guy and it will over-rate the victory :)
smart guy lol
Well maybe people shouldnt say Calzaghe never took a risk after beating Lacy who was given all this hype?
Maybe (Some, not all) Americans should stop moaning at us for hyping fighters after all this?
Bigger than Jones
Next Mike Tyson etc etc.
We dont hype our guys that much
T-97..
Do not make this into another Brits vs American Thread.. B/c you always say your against that.. Am I right?
The post wasn't aimed for you.. So please, don't try and call me out about over hyping our fighters.. MOST boxing experts, fuck it, the overwhelming majority of boxing experts were picking Lacy b/c he would just hunt his opponents down..
So, T-97 I don't know why your comming at me with that bullshit b/c if you want to play tit for tat, the Americans would tap the Brits ass any day of the week..
From what I've seen of this guy Lacy, he's not very good. Maybe you've seen him in fights where he looked better. But I've seen four or five of his fights (including Sheika and washed-up Reid) and the guy is certainly not world-class and probably doesn't even have the potential to be world-class. He really struggled to punch with any accuracy in the bits and pieces I've seen of him, so hype him up all you want because if Calzaghe still has enough gas left in the tank he will humiliate this guy and it will over-rate the victory :)
Nice. :fing02:
RICKY, i cant see what your posting b/c your on my ignore list but its obvious that you have NO life because your bringing up old threads from 2005 which was wayy before anyone even knew about calzaghe..
do something with yourself man..
Well maybe people shouldnt say Calzaghe never took a risk after beating Lacy who was given all this hype?
Maybe (Some, not all) Americans should stop moaning at us for hyping fighters after all this?
Bigger than Jones
Next Mike Tyson etc etc.
We dont hype our guys that much
RICKY, i cant see what your posting b/c your on my ignore list but its obvious that you have NO life because your bringing up old threads from 2005 which was wayy before anyone even knew about calzaghe..
do something with yourself man..
THe reason Jeff Lacy has a good future is because he's still learning, and he's all ready damn good. He throws his jab to get inside and throw combos extremely well and has all around pretty good defense along to go with his power.
I like that you said he was heavy handed, which I believe is an accurate statement. THe Robin Reid is a good example in that he just knocked Reid around, even though it wasn't nescesarily KO blows (although that could be Reid's tough chin).
His future is bright and the kid has talent.
Aren't you one of the people who completely disregard Calzaghe's win over Lacy? :rofl: :rofl:
From what I've seen of this guy Lacy, he's not very good. Maybe you've seen him in fights where he looked better. But I've seen four or five of his fights (including Sheika and washed-up Reid) and the guy is certainly not world-class and probably doesn't even have the potential to be world-class. He really struggled to punch with any accuracy in the bits and pieces I've seen of him, so hype him up all you want because if Calzaghe still has enough gas left in the tank he will humiliate this guy and it will over-rate the victory :)
lacy is ALL potential, hes got power and countering skills, all he needs to do is fine tune and he could be world class
he dominated reid too, and stopped him for the first time in his career
Jeff Lacy is a real good fighter with a lot of potential... I am a fan of Lacy but I also think that he can do much better than he does... If he can just bring himself to the next level then I can see him being a real problem for the 168 weight class.
From what I've seen of this guy Lacy, he's not very good. Maybe you've seen him in fights where he looked better. But I've seen four or five of his fights (including Sheika and washed-up Reid) and the guy is certainly not world-class and probably doesn't even have the potential to be world-class. He really struggled to punch with any accuracy in the bits and pieces I've seen of him, so hype him up all you want because if Calzaghe still has enough gas left in the tank he will humiliate this guy and it will over-rate the victory :)
Im not a diehard Lacy fan either but your post is ridiculous!
Lacy if anything is world class, Im a huge Joe Calzaghe fan any anyone on either side of the LACY/Calzaghe argument that states their guy will annihilate the other guy is just not very smart!
Sure you can point out a few victories where Lacy has struggled but can you do that with Joe as well? KABARY SALEM???
I dont know how good Left Hook is and I do think at this time he is overated but he is world class and he will give Joe Calzaghe (Im rooting for Joe) all he can handle for as long as it lasts.
What I will say for Lacy that I cannot, repeat cannot say for Joe is that he appears to be interested in making big fights no matter what! What other American champion that you know of has not only called out Joe Calzaghe but said I will fight in your backyard!(We will both drop dead before Joe even considers this) Lacy is a tough dude and he is willing to back it up, Calzaghe (again Joe is my boy) is a tough dude who is not so interested in backing it up.
Those are the facts son, I hope like hell that this fight does somehow come off and you will see a give and take war, not a one sided beating like you and many other morons envision...if it does not come off it is all on my boy Joe Calzaghe.
Lacy v. Calzaghe is a u pickem, period!
From what I've seen of this guy Lacy, he's not very good. Maybe you've seen him in fights where he looked better. But I've seen four or five of his fights (including Sheika and washed-up Reid) and the guy is certainly not world-class and probably doesn't even have the potential to be world-class. He really struggled to punch with any accuracy in the bits and pieces I've seen of him, so hype him up all you want because if Calzaghe still has enough gas left in the tank he will humiliate this guy and it will over-rate the victory :)
He's too easy to hit, and Vanderpool gave him enough trouble to lead me to believe that he could be dropped or even KO'd. If he could improve his defense some, that would help alot, with his offense.
When Tommy Hearns and Julian Jackson hit people with their best shots the fights ended on the spot. There ws no quitting on the stools. Lacy is not in THAT class. So, basically, either you are a huge puncher or you are not. Lacy is not. Grant trained NO DAYS for the fight,he told me so himself when I worked with him for a fight last year. Went 12 and got up from 2 knockdowns. Does he do that with Julian or Hearns? DOUBTFUL at best
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good analysis. I agree with it all but his pros outweight the cons and since hes a young fighter he will only get better.
I agree with Imsoflly on this ....the best is yet to come....just watch.
I like the way he comes out to a patriotic crowd with "Born in the USA"... even though Born in the USA is a song satirising the US.
Wal-Mart did something similar a while back in a commercial for Wrangler jeans. They played "Fortunate Son" by CCR at the part where he says "Some folks were born made to wear the flag..." and ended the commercial before he could get to saying "It ain't me!", lol!
Okay, to stay on-topic, Lacy was rocked pretty badly by Vanderpool in the early going, so you have to worry about his chin a bit. Plus his finishing ability has been suspect, as the Shieka fight showed. He didn't even manage to KO Reid, who was just about dying out there. Still, like people say he has the potential to someday be great.
i think lacy is pretty good ,but he is a lil bit sloppy. he throws his punches wide.
but damn can that kid counter. he agresses you and counters you at the same time making it very difficult to keep him off of you.
basically he is a real good fighter but he is young and has a few things to work on
Why does everybody keep reffering to him as a kid. He is 28 years old. He is the same age as PBF and 2 years older than Kessler. Yes he has improved over the last couple of fights but he should be around his peak now with his age. Every time there is a discussion about some of his flaws people seems o be willing to just write it off to him being a kid and being inexperienced. I don't think that it is so. He should be mature now. He is not a boy any longer and he is not likely to improve such a great deal more like many people seems to think.
I my opinion does he lack a bit on the technical side but he is very strong and seems to have good stamina plus (perhaps) also a good chin. So far it seems to have been enough to win his fights but i think a technical boxer with good movement could be able to outbox. Take the Vanderpool fight for example. If the abilities he has is enough to unify the division i doubt but i will commend him for being willing to try and i do really hope he gets a chance to do so for that could make some really good fight.
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