Please Read - My Thoughts On Tonight

EXACTLY i gree i liek him but dont wana c him lose. he should jus fight smart

tracy i agree with u but i use the term loosely of nex gatti he shouldnt fight toe to toe thts all im saying lol, I gotcha! but ya know, I kinda like it when he does...exciting. And thats tough for me cause I dont want to see him ko'ed. :confused:

tracy i agree with u but i use the term loosely of nex gatti he shouldnt fight toe to toe thts all im saying

tracy thats what i mean by fighting stupidly, he was going toe to toe, he shoudnt try to be the nex gatti "The next Gatti"?? I seriously doubt the thought ever entered cotto's mind considering that Gatti, although exciting to watch, does not have the best record. I'd like to think it's just the warrior in him that likes to go toe to toe sometimes, and has nothing to do with trying to be anyone other than Cotto. No need to be anybody else when he's great as himself.

Guess I just don't subscribe to the idea that because a fighter is bigger it means he'd beat smaller (and FAR better) fighters. Skill does have something to do with it. In fact, it has MOST to do with it.

u can't compare the HW then n now now to big u can compare other divisoins tho

]] =========================== Dude, Joe was hit repeatedly from jabs by a much smaller fighter, Ali. Peter is so much bigger and stronger than Joe it's a joke. I like Frazier, but c'mon, he was a little guy and you don't see heavies his size anymore. He'd be smaller than most modern cruisers. Shots that Peter took would knock Joe on his ass. It's a different era. I'm sure Joe might have a few moments, he was good, but seriously outmanned both physically and in talent. A big heart only goes so far.

tracy thats what i mean by fighting stupidly, he was going toe to toe, he shoudnt try to be the nex gatti

I guess my take on it is a bit different from much of what I've read here....... In a perverse sort of way, last night's performance may have actually helped in putting Cotto's name out there in the hat for future big fights. Was his chin exposed as weak? Nah......anyone watching the Corley fight knew he could be gotten to, and besides, his chin isn't necessarily weak; he just leaves it out in front too much. I also agree with the poster who mentioned he squares himself up too much. That is fine as long as you're fighting guys that can't fight back or are hopelessly outgunned, but Cotto has found himself in more rarified air in terms of competition over the past year and a half or so, so he's going to need to adjust. He's not ready for Hatton yet, and under no circumstances should he fight Mayweather. Floyd would do terrible, terrible things to him, it's just a horrible stylistic matchup for Cotto. As to the big guys, I was impressed by Wlad. He came into this fight the underdog, and was considered damaged goods, just the sacrificial lamb a new stud like Sam Peter should want to fight. Well, we learned that Wlad can box quite effectively last night, he is not one-dimensional, and though his many detractors will deride him for holding and moving, I would only volley that with a question in turn.......how would YOU fight a guy like Peter, cowboy? Peter showed last night that he is in serious need of some technical assistance. All the guy knows how to do is club opponents with big powershots. His punch output was ridiculously low in the second half of the fight, which can be attributed to both his own lack of stamina and Wlad's boxing. He learned a hard lesson last night. He should take heart in that he is far from a finished product, but he might consider getting a trainer who can teach him a few nuances, how to roll under a jab and go to the body with both hands. For whatever it's worth, watching Peter last night, I kept imagining what Joe Frazier would have done to Klitschko, bobbing underneath and whaling to the body.

I disagree on every count. Cotto needs to resist the urge to go toe to toe so much, but I wouldnt call him stupid...just brave. He showed that he can take it and still come back and get the win. What's not to love? As for Wlad, I've already said that if that's his new style, I'm not interested. We already have one john ruiz and thats one too many. Like I said already, he reminded me of a mix between hopkins and ruiz....with the run, hit and hold style. It sucked. Props to him for the improved stamina and for taking those punches though. Peter needs to drop a few lb's and work on defense and technique. If he does that he's going to be hard to beat considering we now know he has a good chin. To say he has no talent is premature considering he was fighting a guy that towered over him and kept the jab in his face all night long...the most impressive thing I saw wlad do. I'm with you Trace. I made this post earlier: Torres has a hell of a punch. If he had better stamina he could be a very good fighter. Right now his conditioning looks like shit. he can't thow a five punches without looking like he's going to collapse from exhaustion. Cotto got rocked a couple times but fought through it for an impressive ko. I am still up on this guy. He's exciting and he's not afraid to take a shot to deliver a few of his own. I'm not sure if he has what it takes to beat the top p4p guys in his division or not, but I do think he gives anyone a good fight. Klit came in with a good plan and he executed it. that is about all I can say about him. All the holding made for a pretty boring fight though in my opinion, and i agree with harold that a guy with his size and strength should mix it up more. He still has the glass chin in my opinion and that's not going to change. He did a pretty good job of working the jab, but his fear of being KTFO again clearly dictates his style and makes for a very tedious fight. Wlad will never be the man, and if he is a top hw right now then that is just a testament to how weak the division is right now.

I disagree on every count. Cotto needs to resist the urge to go toe to toe so much, but I wouldnt call him stupid...just brave. He showed that he can take it and still come back and get the win. What's not to love? As for Wlad, I've already said that if that's his new style, I'm not interested. We already have one john ruiz and thats one too many. Like I said already, he reminded me of a mix between hopkins and ruiz....with the run, hit and hold style. It sucked. Props to him for the improved stamina and for taking those punches though. Peter needs to drop a few lb's and work on defense and technique. If he does that he's going to be hard to beat considering we now know he has a good chin. To say he has no talent is premature considering he was fighting a guy that towered over him and kept the jab in his face all night long...the most impressive thing I saw wlad do.

Can'tcomment on the validity of your post mate as I haven't seen the fight. However, it was a pleasure to read a balanced review of fighters. Nice one. Lol

anyone else wana add?

Thanks for injecting the realism. Like I said Cotto is mostly hype (thats not meaning he isnt good). Wlad beat a green fighter like I said all along. All he could answer from this fight were two things... stamina and chin. He failed the chin question. Had good stamina. But he tore it all down by fighting scared. ur cotto part is good i agree with u on that. u said he faile dthe chin ?... but IMO 2 of them were behind the head (KD's) and the last one was jus good punching and wlad getting tired. IMO peters BEST punch was in the 3rd when he landed the left hook, which wlad took. IMO he didn't fight scared, he might've been nervous, but he fought smart

Thanks for injecting the realism. Like I said Cotto is mostly hype (thats not meaning he isnt good). Wlad beat a green fighter like I said all along. All he could answer from this fight were two things... stamina and chin. He failed the chin question. Had good stamina. But he tore it all down by fighting scared. The only thing Wlad tore down was that big gorilla looking thing named sam peter. What kind of a boxing fan are you if you can't respect how smart a fighter fights. It's called boxing not brawling, just face it, your guy got his ass kicked in the purest form by a brilliant fighter, that's it you don't ahev to bitch about it.

COtto vs Torres - Cotto's worst performance i've ever seen. he fought so stupid i felt like slapping him. dont u guys hate it when one of ur favourite fighters fights like an idiot. his corner was telling him - DONT TRADE U DUMASS. whenever he did that he got in trouble. he was squaring up to. when he fought smart he hammeered the guy torres can come back, excellent fighter, and exciting. NOW THE MAIN EVENT peter - a durable iron chinned fighter with power. however, with that being said, no boxing skills, or defence. styles makes fights. n if he cant KO wlad, hes not going to be able to beat byrd, brewster, toney (well i hate him so i dont give a shit), vitali n those guys. wlad was good for his style. but he couldn't get thru. wlad - he HAS GOTTA get respect for this fight. he did what he had to do fought how he had to. peter was telling him to trade. saying be a man w/e, but honestly, hes trying to win the fight, not impress the opponent. he fought PERFECTLY. and his stamina issue IMO should be resolved. he went 12 rounds. threw i belive like 400 punches? sumin like that right? anyway, landed over 200... very good. now the KD's. IMO at least 2 of them were behind the head. the 2nd KD in round 5, IMO was fatigue/cause of the first one. IMO peters best shot was in round 3, when he landed that left hook. but wlad took taht punch. so im not saying his chin issue is resolved, but IMO it has shown a + sign to it. now the ref- fuckin idiot, he wasn't favouriing anyone, was jus a dumass. peter landed WAY too much behind the head. but since he wasn't warned, hell continue doing it, which is not exactly stupid, but not u know..... safe, since it IS illegal. also about the holding issue, i think that wlad was following his game plan , cuz fuck we know ruiz does sOOOOOO much more then he did, n only once has he been deducted of anything. i woudl give a warning, jus a casual liek "watch the holding" at least. but point deductions, no.... anyway guys i want u to reply plz, ur opinions (not bashing, smart ppl plz), and views o nthis is important to me ...Damn good post kid!!!!!!

Cotto is definetly not as good as he is perceived. Torres just lost his stamina after round 2 and coulden't finish Cotto. Mayweather can probably KO Cotto within 3 and Hatton can definetly take him on. Cotto vs Tszyu should be set up now, don't know if Tszyu will take it and it probably wont happen but who else is there for Cotto to fight at 140 thats a top contender? Not many. Torres who has a bum record and has only fought 6 fighters with winning records staggered Cotto and hurt him so bad. So did chop chop. Cotto obviously lost so much credibility over his last 2 fights and I hope his promoter rethinks his strategy because its obvious he no longer can hold himself together in the ring once he fights the top guns like Mayweather and Hatton; who won't fight him at this point because there is no cash with Cotto's name at all. I wouoldn't say that, cotto just fought like a moron and paid for it in some instances. This could have easily been a UD if he had been smart.

Thanks for injecting the realism. Like I said Cotto is mostly hype (thats not meaning he isnt good). Wlad beat a green fighter like I said all along. All he could answer from this fight were two things... stamina and chin. He failed the chin question. Had good stamina. But he tore it all down by fighting scared. Cotto is definetly not as good as he is perceived. Torres just lost his stamina after round 2 and coulden't finish Cotto. Mayweather can probably KO Cotto within 3 and Hatton can definetly take him on. Cotto vs Tszyu should be set up now, don't know if Tszyu will take it and it probably wont happen but who else is there for Cotto to fight at 140 thats a top contender? Not many. Torres who has a bum record and has only fought 6 fighters with winning records staggered Cotto and hurt him so bad. So did chop chop. Cotto obviously lost so much credibility over his last 2 fights and I hope his promoter rethinks his strategy because its obvious he no longer can hold himself together in the ring once he fights the top guns like Mayweather and Hatton; who won't fight him at this point because there is no cash with Cotto's name at all.

Cotto is definetly not as good as he is perceived. Torres just lost his stamina after round 2 and coulden't finish Cotto. Mayweather can probably KO Cotto within 3 and Hatton can definetly take him on. Cotto vs Tszyu should be set up now, don't know if Tszyu will take it and it probably wont happen but who else is there for Cotto to fight at 140 thats a top contender? Not many. Torres who has a bum record and has only fought 6 fighters with winning records staggered Cotto and hurt him so bad. So did chop chop. Cotto obviously lost so much credibility over his last 2 fights and I hope his promoter rethinks his strategy because its obvious he no longer can hold himself together in the ring once he fights the top guns like Mayweather and Hatton; who won't fight him at this point because there is no cash with Cotto's name at all.

pretty much what i wanted to add in my thread, although im not gonna be so hard on cotto though, he didnt get KO'd and he can survive well but that shit has got to stop or hatton will maul him, and i cant wait for cotto to start hitting mayweathers body and making him cry like a bitch