I expected to return from Rosemont reading 'Castillejo' was robbed threads...

Naw Castillejo didn't win that fight even though I wasn't impress by the way Fernado looked in that fight.

I had Vargas winning but only coz he landed more. But Vargas took some pretty good hits from a slow punching older man who was ready to retire. Vargas is nowhere near top 5 contender. Ouma, Karmazin and Winky will kill him. Maybe Mayorga too. I think Spinks beats him, too...

I called Lamply a cheerleader when I was in Vegas. A guy at the fight was telling me about how he was a male cheerleader back in the day, and when I saw him after the fight I yelled "You're a cheerleader Lamply" when I was about 10 feet away. Everyone laughed, including Roy Jones who was right next to him. He just pretended he didn't hear it, but he did. Wow ,that must of made you feel like a big man.Good for you. :bottle:

I'm not looking to change anyone's minds (still haven't seen the taped fight all the way through), but I did find this interesting excerpt in the fightnews write-up: Unfortunately, Vargas started to show signs of tiring as early as round five and the fight became more a technical battle of attrition. This decline in punch output emboldened Castillejo to increase his offensive maneuvering by stalking and pushing Vargas backwards around the ring. The remaining five rounds saw Vargas throwing less and less punches as the determined and durable Castillejo outworked him in each round. In his post-fight comments to the ringside press, Vargas attributed the decline in his workrate and lackluster performance on fatigue that was associated with weight loss. Vargas stated that he felt "sluggish" and he mentioned the possibility that his jaw might be fractured. The judges were all very generous to Vargas, giving him a wide margin of victory. Much wider than most fans and reporters in attendance thought it was, as evidenced by the huge outpouring of boos heard as Vargas was proclaimed the winner, and even more boos as he exited the ring.

Hahaha. He heard it. I called Lamply a cheerleader when I was in Vegas. A guy at the fight was telling me about how he was a male cheerleader back in the day, and when I saw him after the fight I yelled "You're a cheerleader Lamply" when I was about 10 feet away. Everyone laughed, including Roy Jones who was right next to him. He just pretended he didn't hear it, but he did.

Of course, we all are biased, We're not all commentators on television. HBO clearly serves their own agenda, and it's gotten much worse in the last few years.

Good on you. More people need to tune HBO out. They're worse and worse every year. They often decide early on who they're going to ride (if they haven't already decided before the fight) and they tend to go on and on about particular observations for so long that something completely opposit of what they're talking about could be occurring, but they're still blabbing away. They confuse and misguide casual viewers with ther agenda and drawn out observations, and are quickly becoming one of the worst fight commentaries around. I agree; HBO very often tends to be strongly biased towards one side or the other. Of course, we all are biased, but some of HBO commentaries take me aback.

Lampley is a puppet. All of his views are mainstream. I dare him to think on his own. I called Lamply a cheerleader when I was in Vegas. A guy at the fight was telling me about how he was a male cheerleader back in the day, and when I saw him after the fight I yelled "You're a cheerleader Lamply" when I was about 10 feet away. Everyone laughed, including Roy Jones who was right next to him. He just pretended he didn't hear it, but he did.

Good on you. More people need to tune HBO out. They're worse and worse every year. They often decide early on who they're going to ride (if they haven't already decided before the fight) and they tend to go on and on about particular observations for so long that something completely opposit of what they're talking about could be occurring, but they're still blabbing away. They confuse and misguide casual viewers with ther agenda and drawn out observations, and are quickly becoming one of the worst fight commentaries around. agree on most points. to add to tis, HBO is sumtimes inaccurate. Jym said Pacman has neva had a KD past ta 10th when he fought Morales, but it was false. Pacman dropped Barrera in ta 11th round. Those foo sumtimes annoy me. They dissed Pacman. Aggggggggg! lol

I actually shut the HBO sound off and was listening to music. Those guys are just all over the place with their commentary. Good on you. More people need to tune HBO out. They're worse and worse every year. They often decide early on who they're going to ride (if they haven't already decided before the fight) and they tend to go on and on about particular observations for so long that something completely opposit of what they're talking about could be occurring, but they're still blabbing away. They confuse and misguide casual viewers with ther agenda and drawn out observations, and are quickly becoming one of the worst fight commentaries around.

Lampley is a puppet. All of his views are mainstream. I dare him to think on his own.

I actually shut the HBO sound off and was listening to music. Those guys are just all over the place with their commentary. They get so one-sided throughout every single fight that they fail to notice anything that the other guy is doing. The only guy I like on their is Emmanuel Stewart, at least he says it like it is for the most part, but he does get caught up in Lampley's blindness once in a while. Merchant's pretty funny at times, but he's like Lampley. He only sees what he wants to see.

Vargas won tis shyt man. Cmon man. side note: Ruberto Sot(hoe) got Morales' tactics and style on locked. He looked like Morales gainst Pacman. WATCH TA TAPE OVA. I aint baggin on Sot(hoe) neitha. LOL!

Could be that I got caught up in all the disappointment of the fans around me and the booing to notice what all was going on in the ring. I did see Castillejo being much more active at the end of the fight. Vargas, like someone else mentioned, did nothing until the last seconds of round one. There was more than one example of this... I'm watching the replay and hearing the HBO guys talk; I guess they saw it differently, and their opinion deserves more consideration...

There were some Vargas chants, but not really in the 2nd half of the fight, as people were demonstrating they thought Vargas was losing... So did you guys think that Juarez nearly won, too? The only reason the Juarez-Soto fight was so close was because of the point deductions. I didn't keep a card, but I could see Rocky taking 1 or 2 rounds aside from that. But Vargas beat Castillejo easily. He landed the right hand at will, boxed well for the most part, and knocked him down. He also had some wicked flurries towards the end of a couple rounds that definitely solidified it. I don't see how anyone could have Castillejo ahead in that fight, he was dismantled from the opening bell. Vargas just picked his shots. He looked decent for the most part, but his defense needs more work and he has to get that killer instinct back and finish the job next time, he shoulda gotten Castillejo out of there in the late rounds.

The fight was closer than the scorecards had it. The first round was Castillejo's until the last 20 seconds. The 2nd round was rather similar as was round 6 I believe.

I don't see any possible way that you could have Castillejo winning the fight. None.

Juarez was beaten like he stole something even with the overzealous ref. This is Juarez's second defeat.

don't have a pic; maybe someone with video upload capability can get it off a VHS transfer. I'm taping the replay in a couple hours. That's one of the things about being there live and looking up at a ring and only seeing one angle. Still, there's no way as we were shuffling out, that anyone thought Vargas won 98-91. Did all the booing not make it onto the telecast? I too thought that the fight, apart from a KD, was even. I would have scored it 95:94 or 96:93 for Vargas.

It made it on the telecast. Thought I was hearing things. I thought theyre were saying Go Vargas.... when I knew in my heart they were chanting Castillejo. Now that you confirmed what they were chanting I see why Vargas was pissed at the fans afterwards and why his trainer said "Fuck the crowd" There were some Vargas chants, but not really in the 2nd half of the fight, as people were demonstrating they thought Vargas was losing... So did you guys think that Juarez nearly won, too?