why glorify winky.

Yeah, he needs to get in the ring soon, because the aura of his win over Tito is starting to fade. He is known to be a guy who has a "lack of personality" in the ring, so I hope in this weight class he can establish himself.

he has an open date for nov, so he might face sum guy

I am still waiting to see what Winky will do in the Middleweight division. He should face Sturm, but I am positive he wants to wait until after Hopkins-Taylor II to face the winner. We will see what he is working with then.

Trinidad was retired! You can't come back from being retired and automatically be placed back in the top 10 p4p! What about the guys that werent retired and were FIGHTING for their spots. You can't just retire, after a loss, no less, and just come back like "give me a p4p spot, I'm back". You need to earn that shit. Don't get me wrong, he was on his way after destroying Mayorga, but c'mon, like I said, you have to fight for your spot, you don't just automatically get that spot because of who you were in the past. You don't contribute much to this site other than ignorance and shit talk, and it doesnt look like IdontWatchBoxing is going to answer my question, so I'm out this thread, I said what I felt like saying about Winky. Peace wack dude. like you contribute? all you do is provide the homosexual perspective to boxing, and most of us don't wanna hear that shit. If i need tips on picking up guys at gay bars, I'll ask for your opinion. but how can you not regain your p4p spot? you come back, you're still the fighter you were. as we all saw, Trinidad hadn't changed a bit. he destroys sluggers and succumbs to better boxers, big deal? retirement doesn't change your resume, homo

hol up... y toneY? who has he beaten of any good in the HW division. and old holyfield a crappy booker sterioided himsefl vs ruiz

You didnt quote a Winky post, a-hole. Whatever beetlejuice. You said "who even talking about winky" inside of a Winky thread. Still not gonna answer my question? Peace little dude.

Trinidad was retired! You can't come back from being retired and automatically be placed back in the top 10 p4p! What about the guys that werent retired and were FIGHTING for their spots. You can't just retire, after a loss, no less, and just come back like "give me a p4p spot, I'm back". You need to earn that shit. Don't get me wrong, he was on his way after destroying Mayorga, but c'mon, like I said, you have to fight for your spot, you don't just automatically get that spot because of who you were in the past. You don't contribute much to this site other than ignorance and shit talk, and it doesnt look like IdontWatchBoxing is going to answer my question, so I'm out this thread, I said what I felt like saying about Winky. Peace wack dude.

I'm not upset about shit. You tapdance around topics you can't handle. I came in here to voice my opinion on Winky, but your ridiculously retarded posts made me forget. For the last time, I'm not a big fan of:Chavez, or DLH. I dont blindly follow a fighter because of his nationality. I asked you to tell me how many rounds you think Tito won against Hopkins and Winky, and you have no answer. I'm not sure if you can even think for yourself. I'm not following you anywhere little dude. If you can't answer a simple question...Peace. Winky deserves the attention he's getting because he has been under the radar since his loss to Vargas. No one thought he would own Tito the way he did, and he should get credit for beating Mosely decisively twice. He may be a little overrated right now, as far as rankings. Because Mosely, I think was near the bottom of the P4P list when they fought, and Tito didnt even deserve to be in the top 10 after coming back, because he KO'd Mayorga, who wasnt even in the top 10 at the time(i dont think he was anyway). Should Winky be in the top ten? Yes, he deserves it. Should he be in the top 5? I'm not so sure. Get off my jock IdontWatchBoxing, no one's following you around. How can you even tell me Trinidad wasn't top 5 when he came back? He still only had one loss, and that was against Hopkins, the number one guy in the sport. This is the last time I go over this so pay attention. Hopkins had the most impressive resume, so he was number one until his recent loss to Taylor Mayweather was undefeated so he was number 2 until Hopkins lost. Now Mayweather is #1. Trinidad had to be #3, having only lost to Hopkins before Winky. Since he's lost to Winky, he's probably fallen out of the top 10. Tszyu was my #4, having only one loss but to relatively unknown Vince Phillips. Trinidad lost to a better opponent and had beaten better adversary than Tszyu, so Tszyu had to be below him. Since Tszyu lost to Hatton, Tszyu is out of the top 10 while Hatton jumps in. Corrales had 2 losses but both instances he wanted to continue and who knows what would have happened. He probably couldn't have beaten Mayweather, but Mayweather is now the #1 guy in the sport so that loss doesn't look bad at all. Having lost twice is the only reason he was below Tszyu. Corrales has beaten better competition than everyone in the top 10 other than Mayweather and Wright. Wright was my #6 fighter but with recent wins (bigger than Corrales' wins), he jumps all the way to number 2. Morales has only 2 losses, and both are to Barrera, who you can arguably say has his number. But you can also say Morales deserved to win that trilogy having deserved the win in the 2nd fight. Morales has also beaten better competition, so he is definitely above Barrera. Barrera will always be there right behind Morales, despite having some huge losses to opponents many people never heard of. The Pacquiao loss knocked Barrera clear out of the top 10, but Barrera bounced back in by beating Morales again. He refuses to let go. I put Taylor and Hatton above Morales and Barrera on the grounds that they knocked 2 guys out of the top 5 and are both undefeated. The bottom of the pound for pound is really debatable but I think Judah and Toney belong in there. Was that so hard to understand, GodzFag?

Who even talking about Winky?. THIS IS A WINKY THREAD! where do you get your thoughts? I asked you the question first, and you tapdance around it, because you can't think for yourself. Did you just tell me to suck your dick? That's rather homosexual isnt it? I'll answer your question,but if you don't answer mine, you are indeed a homosexual. Against DLH, I dont think Chavez won a round at all, he was too slow, and his reflexes couldnt keep up with Oscar. Against Taylor, I had it 7-4 in favor of Taylor until the KO in the 12th. Now, how many rounds do you think Tito won against 1. Hopkins and 2. Winky?

Winky's a pretty good boxer. End of thread.

How many rounds did Chavez win against DLH? Whitaker? Or Taylor? and you keep following this little dude everywhere, dont get upset cause DLH is overrated. I'm not upset about shit. You tapdance around topics you can't handle. I came in here to voice my opinion on Winky, but your ridiculously retarded posts made me forget. For the last time, I'm not a big fan of:Chavez, or DLH. I dont blindly follow a fighter because of his nationality. I asked you to tell me how many rounds you think Tito won against Hopkins and Winky, and you have no answer. I'm not sure if you can even think for yourself. I'm not following you anywhere little dude. If you can't answer a simple question...Peace. Winky deserves the attention he's getting because he has been under the radar since his loss to Vargas. No one thought he would own Tito the way he did, and he should get credit for beating Mosely decisively twice. He may be a little overrated right now, as far as rankings. Because Mosely, I think was near the bottom of the P4P list when they fought, and Tito didnt even deserve to be in the top 10 after coming back, because he KO'd Mayorga, who wasnt even in the top 10 at the time(i dont think he was anyway). Should Winky be in the top ten? Yes, he deserves it. Should he be in the top 5? I'm not so sure. Get off my jock IdontWatchBoxing, no one's following you around.

winky deserves all the praise he gets, Altough he was robbed by the bigger named fighter in Vargas, Winky beat him. Then not only did he beat Mosley twice and then Tito, but he beat them bad winning just about everyround and all 3 fights. He's domination over these fighters is why he gets his praise, and anyone who doesn't see that is just a hater.

I thank Jose for explaining further what i was trying to get across, thanks.

Trinidad had bigger fights, in fact Jr. (WTF?) he made them both, if it wasnt for hi DLH would still be hated by Mexican fans, and Hopkins would be where he was always at, doing nothing. Yeah, defending your title 20 times is nothing. Seriously, why dont you watch boxing? Don't say you do, because you only give a shit about what Puerto Rican fighters are doing. You were hyping up Cintron, until he was eaten alive by Margarito, then you just lowered Cintron from hero to "prospect" after he lost. Get a file sharing program and download some fucking fights little dude. Here, let's get you started, starting with your messiah: Tell me how many rounds you think Tito won against 1.Hopkins and 2.Wright. Can you do that little dude? I'd like to guage the level of your ignorance. So enlighten me............

Why all the glory for winky wright. I dont understand why winky is in P4P on peoples lists.... Who has he fought. He has had a monatonous career with B fighters.. HE lost against Vargas. When Tito was mudering everyone, he didnt get a fight. When DeLaHoya was at a prime fighter, he didnt get a fight.He didnt jump in at the Middleweight tourney( JOPPY,Trinidad,Hopkins). Who has he fought. A too small, exhasted mosely, an already retired Trinidad. who else has he fought. To be the best you have to TAKE, not sit back and wonder why you get no P.P.V. money and fight. Should have called everyone out when they were good. Now you let the dust settle and want to be a badass, nice try winky.. Who the FUCK said Trinidad was shot???? Winky just made him look shot..

Only one way to settle this and that's in the ring. Who wants to fight Winky other than a blown-up lightweight with two weighins? There lies your answer. Mosley and Tito are no joke. I don't see anyone at or around his weight beating him anytime soon.

DLH was only popular, far from his biggest fight, and he won that one. Hopkins wasnt even known at the time Trinidad lost to him in the tournament. Yeah your right DLH wasn't his biggest fight...Its only the highest grossing non heavyweight fight in history, dumbass. Hell you have even had other Puerto Ricans on this ite tell you he lost it. Your delusional Jr. Hopkins was on everyones p4p list and the WBC and IBF champion when they fought, but yeah no one knew who he was.

I thought Winky beat Vargas too, but it was damn close. If Winky had shown up in the championship rounds, that fight would have been his.

Why all the glory for winky wright. I dont understand why winky is in P4P on peoples lists.... Who has he fought. He has had a monatonous career with B fighters.. HE lost against Vargas. When Tito was mudering everyone, he didnt get a fight. When DeLaHoya was at a prime fighter, he didnt get a fight.He didnt jump in at the Middleweight tourney( JOPPY,Trinidad,Hopkins). Who has he fought. A too small, exhasted mosely, an already retired Trinidad. who else has he fought. To be the best you have to TAKE, not sit back and wonder why you get no P.P.V. money and fight. Should have called everyone out when they were good. Now you let the dust settle and want to be a badass, nice try winky.. Winky is the flavor of the month. He's been called underrated so long he's become shamelessy overrated. His wins against Mosley and Tito are hollow. Mosley ws 1-2-1 in his last fights coming into that fight. His one win was a highly contraversial win against DLH. In my book Mosley was 1-3 going into his fight with Winky. Mosley was a blown up LIGHTWEIGHT and already past his prime. Wow im real impressed. Tito had already been exposed. The guy had had 1 fight in the last 3 years and that was against the gloyfied club fighter Ricardo Mayorga. In Tito's two biggest fights before Winky he was outclassed badly by both DLH and Hopkins. Yes both Tito and Shane were "names" at the time but neither was considered p4p or anywhere near what they used to be when those fights with Winky happend. Please stop with all the bullshit about Winky "Being ducked" cause thats exactly what it is bullshit. Please explain to me how you are ducked when you have recieved 3 shots at a world title in your own weight class???? He got a shot against Vasquez and guess what?...HE LOST He got another title shot against Vargas and guess what?...HE LOST, He figghts Hary Simon and guess what?...HE LOST. Fact is when DLH and Tito were going up Winky had done absolutley NOTHING at that time to even deserve a shot, oh wait thats right he beat up Bronco McKart*rolleyes* Now dont get me wrong Winky is a good fighter and does belong in the p4p list, but in no wasy does he deserve to be as high as #2 like alot of people have him.

How about Morales, Corrales, and Barrera? Question, is Wright's jump from spot 5 to 2 based more on how he beat Trinidad, or just that he beat Trinidad? Meaning if the fight was closer and Wright ended up winning 8-4 or 9-3, would he still be pound for pound #2?